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NAACP backs gay marriage

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Right according to who? The NAACP? When the people they represent disagree? Right is relative in this country many times. Especially when speaking of something such as SSM.

No. I think it is one of those things that is clear once you remove bigotry. As I have said, fair is fair. The NAACP is not leading to taking away anything, but leading to grant equal rights to a discrimnated minority. I see no way not to call that right.
 
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Some probably will say that, but I suspect not many. An organization like the NAACP doesn't get dumped just because it does one thing that people disagree with. Most people aren't "single-issue voters" like that. Hardly anyone actually thinks same-sex marriage is the biggest issue of the day.

I can agree with that. I think what it does do is make blacks lose interest/faith in them. But I don't think a mass exodus of supporters is going to occur.
 
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No. I think it is one of those things that is clear once you remove bigotry. As I have said, fair is fair. The NAACP is not leading to taking away anything, but leading to grant equal rights to a discrimnated minority. I see no way not to call that right.
According to Christians, it is wrong. Which, just so happens, are what most blacks are. That is where the disapproval of homosexuality comes from, as I'm sure you know. Like I said, right is relative in many things. This is one of them.
 
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According to Christians, it is wrong. Which, just so happens, are what most blacks are. That is where the disapproval of homosexuality comes from, as I'm sure you know. Like I said, right is relative in many things. This is one of them.

I agree, having been raised with a black (step) dad and growing up in a black community, I know African Americans relied heavy on God to get them through slavery, this faith was passed from generation to generation...this is very much a Christian issue with many Black Americans who oppose marriage equality. That said, it still doesn't make it right.
 
The NAACP talks about these issues constantly. What universe are you living in!?

My point is that you don't hear about them discussing these issues or marching on them, all you hear about are the left-wing issues or the race-baiting propaganda. If they do discuss these issues buried in one of their newsletters obviously that's not enough, right?
 
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According to Christians, it is wrong. Which, just so happens, are what most blacks are. That is where the disapproval of homosexuality comes from, as I'm sure you know. Like I said, right is relative in many things. This is one of them.

According to many Christians it is wrong. That is changing. People are either accepting homosexuality or accepting that civil marriage is not the same thing as personal marriage, whether the personal marriage involves religion or not.

Not 50 years ago, many Christians felt interracial relationships were wrong too. There are still a small percentage of people within the US, within both the white and black communities, that believe interracial relationships are sinful/immoral.
 
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I agree, having been raised with a black (step) dad and growing up in a black community, I know African Americans relied heavy on God to get them through slavery, this faith was passed from generation to generation...this is very much a Christian issue with many Black Americans who oppose marriage equality. That said, it still doesn't make it right.

I agree with SSM because it's a matter of freedom. I also believe homosexuality is wrong. I believe that is what blacks are slowly working towards as well. Not as fast as some polls would suggest, but they are slowly working towards it.
 
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According to many Christians it is wrong. That is changing. People are either accepting homosexuality or accepting that civil marriage is not the same thing as personal marriage, whether the personal marriage involves religion or not.
I think what is changing is most Christians realization that the government's ban on SSM is a restriction of freedom. I think they see, with the current administrations habit of infringing on moral beliefs, that banning SSM is the same thing. It is just on the other side of the issue. Personally, my belief on SSM has done a 180 ever since I've seen how the gov't can use cases such as it for precedence to do it to the other side of the coin. I'm not going to advocate for the restriction of anyone's freedom because it allows the gov't to do it to me as well.
Not 50 years ago, many Christians felt interracial relationships were wrong too. There are still a small percentage of people within the US, within both the white and black communities, that believe interracial relationships are sinful/immoral.
And a more ignorant belief I can't recall. But there is a difference between interracial marriage and SSM. SSM is pretensed in Christianity by the explicit language in the Bible that states homosexuality is a sin. Contrary to that, there is nothing in the Bible that states interracial marriage/relationships are a sin.
 
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And a more ignorant belief I can't recall. But there is a difference between interracial marriage and SSM. SSM is pretensed in Christianity by the explicit language in the Bible that states homosexuality is a sin. Contrary to that, there is nothing in the Bible that states interracial marriage/relationships are a sin.

It doesn't matter how ignorant the belief may appear to be to you. To me, many beliefs in Christianity are ignorant. That doesn't mean that I should have the right to deny you or any one else from holding those beliefs.

But, that doesn't mean that those who hold those beliefs that others consider ignorant should be able to get those beliefs as law just because they believe those things.
 
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Blacks, Gays And The Church: A Complex Relationship : NPR

The move is purely political. It's well known that most of the black community is against homosexuality. It's almost ridiculous to even post a link, it's common knowledge. Blacks are generally very religious, and that puts them squarely against gays. There are certainly exceptions, just like whites but whites are more accepting of homosexuality.
 
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It doesn't matter how ignorant the belief may appear to be to you. To me, many beliefs in Christianity are ignorant. That doesn't mean that I should have the right to deny you or any one else from holding those beliefs.
Stop being so defensive. I was calling the belief that interracial marriage is wrong ignorant.:roll:
But, that doesn't mean that those who hold those beliefs that others consider ignorant should be able to get those beliefs as law just because they believe those things.
I'm hoping you just misinterpreted my post because, if not, you are arguing simply for the sake of arguing as this point.
 
Blacks, Gays And The Church: A Complex Relationship : NPR

The move is purely political. It's well known that most of the black community is against homosexuality. It's almost ridiculous to even post a link, it's common knowledge. Blacks are generally very religious, and that puts them squarely against gays. There are certainly exceptions, just like whites but whites are more accepting of homosexuality.

Once again, where are you guys getting these statistics that they are "against gays"? All I am seeing are statistics that they are against same sex marriage. It is funny, but when I argue to a conservative that people who are against same sex marriage are against gays, they get uber defensive and claim that is not the case, and yet over and over again I see conservatives making that case in this thread.
 
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Right according to who? The NAACP? When the people they represent disagree? Right is relative in this country many times. Especially when speaking of something such as SSM.

A majority has no hold on right an wrong. In fact a majority has often been wrong. The world wasn't flat. Nor was it the center of the universe. Whites weren't superior race and slavery was wrong. This is a fairness issue, and the NCCAP is properly leading in the right direction. SSM is right, fair, and where leads will lead.
 
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It's just prejudice about "difference". There are plenty of things I find wrong - drinking is a good example - but I would never support a law against drinking. I don't care if everybody drinks a bottle of Jim Beam before they (presumably) pass out.

It costs you nothing to accept other peoples differences so I'm amazed anybody cares at all. The only criteria I support is consenting adults, other than that it's none of my business. For a country built on freedom, it sure seems to takes us a long time to observe the obvious and stop the contentious.
 
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A majority has no hold on right an wrong. In fact a majority has often been wrong. The world wasn't flat. Nor was it the center of the universe. Whites weren't superior race and slavery was wrong. This is a fairness issue, and the NCCAP is properly leading in the right direction. SSM is right, fair, and where leads will lead.

SSM is a different issue than the world being flat, whites being superior, and slavery. SSM has moral implications ie the Bible states homosexuality is wrong. I agree that it is, however, I also think SSM is a freedom issue. Some don't agree with that. The NAACP isn't a gov't organization. They are an organization who's purpose is to represent a specific minority in our country. They can say what they want, but, my point is that they cease to be a relevant organization when they fail to accurately represent the people they claim to represent.
 
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SSM is a different issue than the world being flat, whites being superior, and slavery. SSM has moral implications ie the Bible states homosexuality is wrong. I agree that it is, however, I also think SSM is a freedom issue. Some don't agree with that. The NAACP isn't a gov't organization. They are an organization who's purpose is to represent a specific minority in our country. They can say what they want, but, my point is that they cease to be a relevant organization when they fail to accurately represent the people they claim to represent.

They are representing the people they claim to, just not the majority (atm). They are representing the side they consider to be right and to deserve their support.

Oh, and since the Bible supported slavery and people could find passages they felt were against interracial marriage, both slavery and interracial marriage could easily be viewed as having "moral implications" per the Bible as well.
 
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I don't understand how reverse racists can endorse same sex marriage.

They should be taking ethnic pride in who they are. Jeopardizing dimorphic expertise only makes this harder by disintegrating the family unit.

Maybe it's a side-effect of living in the ghetto so long and the babymama epidemic. Do whatever it takes to bring down the straight white man.
 
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I don't understand how reverse racists can endorse same sex marriage.

They should be taking ethnic pride in who they are. Jeopardizing dimorphic expertise only makes this harder by disintegrating the family unit.

Maybe it's a side-effect of living in the ghetto so long and the babymama epidemic. Do whatever it takes to bring down the straight white man.

Do you somehow think that legal same sex marriage is really going to "bring down the straight white man"? More people are not going to just become gay and want to marry same sex partners just because they can. To believe that legal same sex marriage will somehow affect the straight white man at all is ignorant and devoid of logical thought.
 
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They are representing the people they claim to, just not the majority (atm). They are representing the side they consider to be right and to deserve their support.
I know that's what they're doing. I'm just saying it makes them less relevant by doing it IMO.
Oh, and since the Bible supported slavery and people could find passages they felt were against interracial marriage, both slavery and interracial marriage could easily be viewed as having "moral implications" per the Bible as well.
How does the Bible support slavery? I think you are mistakingly assuming that people that are called servants in the New Testament are slaves. That's not the case. Sure, some of them were probably treated harshly but they weren't the same as the slaves we think of in early American history. In addition, slavery in some cases was used to pay off debt during Biblical times. Evidence of the Bible and in turn, God being against slavery as we think of it is as follows:
Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death”

1Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Interracial marriage is not in the Bible. InterFAITH marriage is. God does say in the Bible that a marriage where the man or woman is born again and the other is not will cause problems. However, I am living proof that He will not condemn someone for that. My wife was not born again when we were married and I was (though I was back slidden). We are still together 10 years later. She is now a born again Christian.
 
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Do you somehow think that legal same sex marriage is really going to "bring down the straight white man"? More people are not going to just become gay and want to marry same sex partners just because they can. To believe that legal same sex marriage will somehow affect the straight white man at all is ignorant and devoid of logical thought.

I think children are entitled to dimorphic expertise, and that exposing children to the risk of not having it has repercussions.

When people fear children becoming "gay", they're not talking about homosexuality.
 
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I think children are entitled to dimorphic expertise, and that exposing children to the risk of not having it has repercussions.

When people fear children becoming "gay", they're not talking about homosexuality.

And your beliefs are not supported by research. It doesn't matter how much you don't want children to be raised by homosexuals, it is already legal in many places and likely will become legal in more in the near future.

You cannot show that there are any "repercussions" to same sex couples raising children, particularly negative repercussions. So you have nothing to legally back up denying same sex couples the right to marriage or even adopting/raising children.
 
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They are representing the people they claim to, just not the majority (atm). They are representing the side they consider to be right and to deserve their support.
I know that's what they're doing. I'm just saying it makes them less relevant by doing it IMO.

How does the Bible support slavery? I think you are mistakingly assuming that people that are called servants in the New Testament are slaves. That's not the case. Sure, some of them were probably treated harshly but they weren't the same as the slaves we think of in early American history. In addition, slavery in some cases was used to pay off debt during Biblical times. Evidence of the Bible and in turn, God being against slavery as we think of it is as follows:
Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death”

1Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Interracial marriage is not in the Bible. InterFAITH marriage is. God does say in the Bible that a marriage where the man or woman is born again and the other is not will cause problems. However, I am living proof that He will not condemn someone for that. My wife was not born again when we were married and I was (though I was back slidden). We are still together 10 years later. She is now a born again Christian.

You seem to be viewing this by just how you interpret the Bible. That is the flaw in your argument. You interpret the Bible to read certain things that support you morally being against homosexuality, but also not against interracial marriage and morally opposed to slavery. Others do not interpret the Bible the same way as you. And you have no right to say that legally their interpretation of the Bible should not hold the same sway on their moral beliefs as yours do on your own morals. They believe/believed that their interpretation was right, just as you believe your own is right. That doesn't change their moral stance on those issue.

Plus, you have no way to know if God would really condemn you or not for being married to your wife if it He considers it immoral because that would likely be a judgment made in the afterlife, not here on Earth.
 
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And your beliefs are not supported by research. It doesn't matter how much you don't want children to be raised by homosexuals, it is already legal in many places and likely will become legal in more in the near future.

You cannot show that there are any "repercussions" to same sex couples raising children, particularly negative repercussions. So you have nothing to legally back up denying same sex couples the right to marriage or even adopting/raising children.

If you want to post said research, be my guest.

Until then, I'm going to stick to the categorical relationship between children being heterosexually reproduced, and those children heterosexually reproducing more children into the future.

Children are entitled to know how to socialize in order to achieve that feat. That means knowing how both men and women think.
 
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You seem to be viewing this by just how you interpret the Bible. That is the flaw in your argument. You interpret the Bible to read certain things that support you morally being against homosexuality, but also not against interracial marriage and morally opposed to slavery. Others do not interpret the Bible the same way as you. And you have no right to say that legally their interpretation of the Bible should not hold the same sway on their moral beliefs as yours do on your own morals. They believe/believed that their interpretation was right, just as you believe your own is right. That doesn't change their moral stance on those issue.

Aren't you interpreting things by this statement as well?
I'm not the only one saying this stuff. This is backed by thelogians and historians. Anyone can twist a document or publication like the Bible, Constitution, Quran, etc to make it say what they want.
Finally your argument doesn't hold water because that isn't an interpretation to begin with. It is a fact that slaves where not the slaves we think of today during Biblical times. It's a fact that God condemns interfaith marriage. I'm not interpreting anything. I'm reading what the Bible says.
Plus, you have no way to know if God would really condemn you or not for being married to your wife if it He considers it immoral because that would likely be a judgment made in the afterlife, not here on Earth.
I know He doesn't condemn me because He says in the Bible I should ask for forgiveness for sins and accept Him as my Lord and Savior. I am a redeemed child of God so I know that He has forgiven me for all of my sins. In addition, the Lord many times uses our sins to teach us a lesson or bring about a greater result. Its like letting your child fall on his face when he's attempting something. You know you could step in, assist him, and keep anything bad from happening but he wouldn't learn if you did.
 
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