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NAACP backs gay marriage

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vendur said:
Where were all your imaginary black friends for voting on prop 8 in California?
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Imaginary? Like, do I know you or you know me? I thought not.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Wow... Is this just another campaign tactic of Obama? Maybe yes maybe no, but i certainly fall behind and back this decision the NACCP has made. More popular groups need to step up to the plate and back this message. [/FONT]

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My only thought is it is somewhat less than breaking news with a headline that says NAACP backs Obama policy decision.
 
ChuckBerry said:
lol haha I say again (since you can't seem to read what you wrote) I'm giving a direct quote of what you said :D



I certainly didn't take what you said out of context, you are just trying to play games to pretend that you didn't mean what you said lololol :lamo
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translation: there is still egg on your face, you still lied and you still have no proof of your fqalse claim. GOT IT! :laughat:

I am GLAD you quoted me because its evidence that supports me and exposes you LMAO

if you are not a liar and you were not just hugely exposed PLEASE PLEASE do the following:

point out where I said that simply being a SSM "opponent" makes you a bigot
post your proof that the majority of black americans actively participate in trying to stop equal rights

until you do this you are exposed and its obvious to ever one honest and objective. I cant wait for this spin!!! this is funny as hell, its like shooting fish in a barrel!!! :popcorn2: LMAO
 
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ric27 said:
Blacks, traditionally are a God-fearing community.
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And children are scared of monsters under the bed. So your point?
 
MarineTpartier said:
To wit, the NAACP never approved of gay marriage until President Obama, whom they have an interest in winning because he's black, approved of it. Therefore, their view of SSM was always no because it reflected the beliefs of the people they represent, black people. Now that the candidate they want to win is in support of it, they do support it. That would be the pretense of having beliefs or principles one does not actually possess would it not?
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Your logic is really failing.

First, the NAACP hasn't even agreed with everything Obama said so the idea that they support him on this just because he's black is beyond stupid.

Second, the black population, like the rest of the country, has grown increasingly more supportive of gay marriage. In fact, according to the poll that has been posted several times and you've ignored, 53% of blacks support Obama's statement on gay marriage. Therefore, it's not surprising that the NAACP is growing the hell up like the rest of the country.

Third, the NAACP is not about gay marriage. It's about civil rights and black-specific issues like hate crimes and housing discrimination. The idea that they can't support SSM and still represent much of the black population is beyond nonsensical as is the idea that the black population is monolithic which you apparently seem to think it is.
 
dabateman said:
I think that some will begin to use this as an argument that the NAACP no longer represents the interests of the African-American community. And perhaps, given the voting by African-Americans on this issue, they would be right.
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You are dangerously close to calling same sex marriage a racial issue when you make arguments like these.

Here is a surprising fact...there are gay people who are black. Just something to consider.
 
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Enola said:
Here comes the cliche'...but I don't know how else to say it so...........


I have OODLES of black friends. ALL of them are for gay marriage. They know what it feels like to be discriminated against, I guess. So it comes as a surprise that others are surprised or think blacks are against gay marriage.
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Stats support my dear. I don't agree with it, but stats support it.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Stats support my dear. I don't agree with it, but stats support it.
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Not really.

Thunder said:
More than half of all African Americans in the poll back the president’s statement: 54 percent have favorable impressions; 37 percent unfavorable ones

Voters split on Obama's gay marriage announcement - Behind the Numbers - The Washington Post
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Black attitudes towards SSM have been rapidly changing just like the rest of the country.:shrug:
 
dabateman said:
I think that some will begin to use this as an argument that the NAACP no longer represents the interests of the African-American community. And perhaps, given the voting by African-Americans on this issue, they would be right.
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Well, my college is starting up a NAACP student chapter this fall and what I've heard from the county NAACP leadership is that the NAACP has moved on in a way to become a general civil rights group for everyone rather than one exclusively for black people.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Your logic is really failing.

First, the NAACP hasn't even agreed with everything Obama said so the idea that they support him on this just because he's black is beyond stupid.
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I would challenge you to find me an issue that the NAACP contested the President on. Not a person in the NAACP. The NAACP as an organization. This is the exact reason they have made themselves irrelevant. They will support anyone due to the color of their skin even if it disagrees with what the majority of the people they represent believe.

ThePlayDrive said:
Second, the black population, like the rest of the country, has grown increasingly more supportive of gay marriage. In fact, according to the poll that has been posted several times and you've ignored, 53% of blacks support Obama's statement on gay marriage. Therefore, it's not surprising that the NAACP is growing the hell up like the rest of the country.
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You're preaching to the choir about SSM. I am actually someone who used to oppose it but began looking at the individual liberty's involved and changed my stance.
As far as the 53%. You proved my point for me. That poll shifted 11% the day after President Obama came out in support of SSM. I stated earlier that I believe the POTUS saying that would swing the vote at least 10%. I said earlier that we don't need to look at that as much as the polls showing how much they are against homosexuality as a whole. Proof of that is in one of my earlier posts. As much as 70% (in some polls) do not approve of homosexuality and think it is immoral. The media is cherrypicking stats, polls, and interviews with black leaders who approve of SSM. I still believe that. I could be wrong but I've never seen a group of people shift their opinion of something that fast. I would like to see who they polled and where the polling occured.

ThePlayDrive said:
Third, the NAACP is not about gay marriage. It's about civil rights and black-specific issues like hate crimes and housing discrimination. The idea that they can't support SSM and still represent much of the black population is beyond nonsensical as is the idea that the black population is monolithic which you apparently seem to think it is.
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I know the NAACP is not about gay marriage. It's about representing the black community on issues that pertain to them. Apparently everybody (including the NAACP themselves) thinks SSM pertains to them right now just because the black President came out in support of it. I will say it again. Blacks, as a whole, do not approve of homosexuality. So, the NAACP is not representing their people as they should. I don't know why the NAACP even felt the need to address it, but, they did and here we are. I am aware blacks are not monolithic. If you were aware of this you wouldn't use polls showing 53% would you? If you want to use stats and poll, then the monolithic point needs to be laid to rest now. I don't believe in black, gay, women's, etc rights anyway. I believe in individual liberties and rights, no matter the version of human you are. That's where the monolithic crap comes from. We try to fit everyone into a group, party, or race so we can track them and have stats on them. That's where we go wrong.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Not really.



Black attitudes towards SSM have been rapidly changing just like the rest of the country.:shrug:
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Go back and look at the post I made to Thunder on the very fist page of this thread. I'm not posting all that stuff again. You have one poll supporting what you say. I have years of polls supporting my claim.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
Go back and look at the post I made to Thunder on the very fist page of this thread. I'm not posting all that stuff again. You have one poll supporting what you say. I have years of polls supporting my claim.
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You seem to be ignoring the fact that people's attitudes can change over time.
 
CriticalThought said:
You are dangerously close to calling same sex marriage a racial issue when you make arguments like these.

Here is a surprising fact...there are gay people who are black. Just something to consider.
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Yeah, pretty sure that the guy from CNN who interviewed Julian Bond yesterday is.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
You seem to be ignoring the fact that people's attitudes can change over time.
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Yeah, that was my entire point to him. Attitudes are changing. I don't know why he has a problem acknowledging that.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I would challenge you to find me an issue that the NAACP contested the President on. Not a person in the NAACP. The NAACP as an organization. This is the exact reason they have made themselves irrelevant. They will support anyone due to the color of their skin even if it disagrees with what the majority of the people they represent believe.
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The Answer Sheet - Civil rights groups skewer Obama education policy (updated)

You're preaching to the choir about SSM. I am actually someone who used to oppose it but began looking at the individual liberty's involved and changed my stance.
As far as the 53%. You proved my point for me. That poll shifted 11% the day after President Obama came out in support of SSM. I stated earlier that I believe the POTUS saying that would swing the vote at least 10%. I said earlier that we don't need to look at that as much as the polls showing how much they are against homosexuality as a whole. Proof of that is in one of my earlier posts. As much as 70% (in some polls) do not approve of homosexuality and think it is immoral. The media is cherrypicking stats, polls, and interviews with black leaders who approve of SSM. I still believe that. I could be wrong but I've never seen a group of people shift their opinion of something that fast. I would like to see who they polled and where the polling occured.
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You accept past polls and reject recent polls because the recent polls just don't make sense. That sounds like confirmation bias.

I know the NAACP is not about gay marriage. It's about representing the black community on issues that pertain to them. Apparently everybody (including the NAACP themselves) thinks SSM pertains to them right now just because the black President came out in support of it. I will say it again. Blacks, as a whole, do not approve of homosexuality. So, the NAACP is not representing their people as they should. I don't know why the NAACP even felt the need to address it, but, they did and here we are.
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The NAACP is about black-specific interests like hate crimes, housing discrimination, etc. If you were to argue that SSM is irrelevant to them, then I can see the validity in that argument. However, your argument that the NAACP isn't representing blacks because it supports SSM is illogical since its representation of blacks doesn't really have anything to do with SSM and since blacks aren't unanimously against SSM.

I am aware blacks are not monolithic.
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Really? Because, a few sentences ago, you said, "Blacks, as a whole, do not approve of homosexuality" (which is inaccurate, btw). That said, many groups, including blacks, are somewhat monolithic on certain issues. For blacks, gay marriage is not one of them (even with your "70%" stat).

If you were aware of this you wouldn't use polls showing 53% would you?
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A poll showing 53% of any group doesn't resemble anything monolithic so I don't know how you got from point A to point B.

If you want to use stats and poll, then the monolithic point needs to be laid to rest now. I don't believe in black, gay, women's, etc rights anyway. I believe in individual liberties and rights, no matter the version of human you are. That's where the monolithic crap comes from. We try to fit everyone into a group, party, or race so we can track them and have stats on them. That's where we go wrong.
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Anyway, your criticism of the NAACP is based two big false premises: that the NAACP cannot represent black interests while supporting SSM and that people can't change their minds quickly.
 
CriticalThought said:
You are dangerously close to calling same sex marriage a racial issue when you make arguments like these.

Here is a surprising fact...there are gay people who are black. Just something to consider.
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:shock:

Really? OMG?! I'm so glad to have known that. I've never seen a black homosexual. Heck, I've never even been out of my house... :roll:

The point I was making, that you completely ignored, was that SOME people are going to make it a race issue. Some people are going to say that the NAACP no longer represents the interest of African-Americans. And if you look at the voting trends of African-Americans on Same-Sex Marriage, that case COULD BE MADE.

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From since before the movement was a "movement", through pop-culture today, there have been African-American homosexuals. To suggest that I'm not aware of that? Insulting. To refuse to believe that some people aren't going to make this about race considering the voting margins? Shameful on your part.
 
dabateman said:
To refuse to believe that some people aren't going to make this about race considering the voting margins? Shameful on your part.
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I apologize that I don't think like the National Organization for Marriage. It isn't my prerogative to divide people on the issue of marriage. I would rather bring them together for the good of the country and families everywhere.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The Answer Sheet - Civil rights groups skewer Obama education policy (updated)
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Lol, I stand corrected. You found one issue in almost 4 years of Presidency that the NAACP stood up to the POTUS about. I will point out though that this was an offspin group of the NAACP and not the NAACP itself. It was also in concert with other groups and they didn't lead on the issue. However, I will concede the point to you.

ThePlayDrive said:
You accept past polls and reject recent polls because the recent polls just don't make sense. That sounds like confirmation bias.
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No, you meant accept past pollS and reject a recent poll (no s as in singular). When one belief has many polls backing it and the other has one backing it, which is to be trusted? I'd say the one with the most data to back it.

ThePlayDrive said:
The NAACP is about black-specific interests like hate crimes, housing discrimination, etc. If you were to argue that SSM is irrelevant to them, then I can see the validity in that argument. However, your argument that the NAACP isn't representing blacks because it supports SSM is illogical since its representation of blacks doesn't really have anything to do with SSM and since blacks aren't unanimously against SSM.
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It isn't representing blacks because the majority of blacks don't believe in what they are saying. Yes, majority. That's what the NAACP should be representing, the majority of blacks. The NAACP represents black people as a group, not as individuals. What else is their role if they don't do that?

ThePlayDrive said:
Really? Because, a few sentences ago, you said, "Blacks, as a whole, do not approve of homosexuality" (which is inaccurate, btw). That said, many groups, including blacks, are somewhat monolithic on certain issues. For blacks, gay marriage is not one of them (even with your "70%" stat).
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My statement was "homosexuality as a whole". By as a whole, I meant the issue of homosexuality. Not the sub-issues like gay marriage, adoption of children, etc. I didn't mean black people as a whole don't approve of homosexuality.
70% is a pretty strong stat bro. Again, you have 1 poll backing your claims. I have many.

ThePlayDrive said:
A poll showing 53% of any group doesn't resemble anything monolithic so I don't know how you got from point A to point B.
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mon·o·lith·ic/ˌmänəˈliTHik/Adjective: 1.Formed of a single large block of stone.
2.(of a building) Very large and characterless.
Polling black people makes them large and characterless, does it not? If you said a poll of single black people, 18-30, living in New York, then that would not be monolithic. A poll of all black people seems large and characterless to me. No?



ThePlayDrive said:
Anyway, your criticism of the NAACP is based two big false premises: that the NAACP cannot represent black interests while supporting SSM and that people can't change their minds quickly.
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My entire point is that SSM isn't a black interest. Black people have shown through many polls that a majority of them don't approve of homosexuality. Therefore they aren't representing black interests. In addition, I don't believe black people are so shallow that they would change their opinion of gay marriage overnight just because one guy, who happens to be black, said he supports it. Like I said, I'd love to see who they polled to get that 53%.
 
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