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NAACP backs gay marriage

ChuckBerry said:
“In 2010, just 30% of non-Hispanic Blacks favor gay marriage while 59% are opposed. From 2008 to 2000, 28% of Blacks favored same-sex marriage and 62% were opposed.”

News Analysis: Understanding Black Attitudes Toward Homosexuality

'In each of North Carolina's five largest cities, voters in majority-black precincts rejected the measure: Charlotte (52 percent), Raleigh (51 percent), Greensboro (54 percent), Winston-Salem (55 percent), and Durham (65 percent). Durham's results were dramatic: Not a single majority-black precinct supported the amendment. Several crushed it by margins of 3-to-1 and even 4-to-1.'

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Still waiting to hear your point...
 
ChuckBerry said:
“In 2010, just 30% of non-Hispanic Blacks favor gay marriage while 59% are opposed. From 2008 to 2000, 28% of Blacks favored same-sex marriage and 62% were opposed.”

News Analysis: Understanding Black Attitudes Toward Homosexuality

'In each of North Carolina's five largest cities, voters in majority-black precincts rejected the measure: Charlotte (52 percent), Raleigh (51 percent), Greensboro (54 percent), Winston-Salem (55 percent), and Durham (65 percent). Durham's results were dramatic: Not a single majority-black precinct supported the amendment. Several crushed it by margins of 3-to-1 and even 4-to-1.'

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Not only is this changing on its own, it is likely that if more of those in the black community who are considered leaders come out in support of same sex marriage, at least on the legal level, that this could also influence more people from that community to support it being legal as well. It may not be a major amount of people influenced, but it could at least be a few. It is not likely however to change anyone's view in the other direction, someone who supported same sex marriage and now doesn't just from this announcement.
 
dabateman said:
It's a damned shame she couldn't get that out during her husbands Administration... perhaps things would have been closer to settled in equality by now.
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Although I agree that it would have been great for more powerful people to come out in support of same sex marriage earlier, particularly those like Hillary Clinton, I'm not sure it would have helped a whole lot. While I would hope that it might have, it may also have actually had a negative effect on same sex relationships, particularly marriage. It is possible that in '96 when the federal DOMA was passed, had Clinton not signed it, it could have led to an actual Federal Marriage Amendment. Unfortunately, during that time, the support for such things were very high, even at the level of being able to actually make it an Amendment. An Amendment against ssm would take much longer to go down, since it would need to repealed, not just declared unconstitutional by the SC.

Keep in mind, sodomy was just ruled as a private affair that could not have laws restricting it by the SC in '03. This means that it was still considered against the law in many places to have sex with people of the same sex, in any form, during Clinton's administration. The change and that ruling in particular to a belief that same sex relationships, particularly sexual relationships, could not be legally restricted was very important to reaching the point we are at today.

Now, I know that you didn't mention DOMA specifically, but it just seemed to fit, considering it was signed into law by Pres. Clinton.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Is this one of those "why isn't there a White History Month" type comments that entirely misses the point of societal context?
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NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage

NAACP Backs Gay Marriage - WSJ.com

About time. I've been dismayed at what seems to be Black prejudice towards gays. Makes no sense, really. A welcome new voice.
 
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Everyone should. It's just fair.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Sorry, but I just couldn't help but think of another thread about this subject when I read this...



So to sum up...the black majority in the U.S. are bigots, prejudiced, ignorant, arrogant, irrational fools, and if actively participating in anti-SSM, huge hypocrites.

Hm. :thinking
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I have no idea how you tie my statement to this but feel free to try and do a BS spin on it however you like my ACTUAL statement stands and applies to ALL it describes :shrug: lol


but please continue to expose your self with logical fallacies :D
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Still waiting to hear your point...
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It's disappointing when I have to spoon feed people; reading the whole thread and remembering what you read ought to be a basic skill...Thunder posted a poll that suggests a black majority support SSM. I posted polls that strongly suggest differently.

Don't recall you asking what Thunder's point was when he posted his own poll.
 
Objective-J said:
I have no idea how you tie my statement to this but feel free to try and do a BS spin on it however you like my ACTUAL statement stands and applies to ALL it describes :shrug: lol


but please continue to expose your self with logical fallacies :D
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I am using your own words...if those words have logical fallacies, they belong to you.

:D
 
ChuckBerry said:
I am using your own words...if those words have logical fallacies, they belong to you.

:D
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100% wrong LOL

you are using my words out of content and with no facts to back up your hyperbole LMAO

do you have proof that the the majority of black americans actively participate in trying to stop equal gay rights? NOPE its something you made up

soooooooo until you do, you "using my words" is complete BS and exposes you for a logical fallacy :laughat:

now wipe the egg off your face and let me know what part you dont get :D
 
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Thunder said:
evidence?...
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I wouldn't normally respond to anything you post but this is for the rest of the forum more than you. You were just the first user to post what I knew was the inevitable proof? response. I pulled these stories off of the first page and a half after I typed black homosexuality into Google. I didn't have to look hard.
It is common knowledge that the black community, as a whole, has its reservations about gays. And that's putting it nicely. The issue isn't to look at whether they favor gay marriage. There is probably going to be a roughly 10% swing in favor of it just because President Obama supports it IMO. The real issue is to look at what blacks, as a whole, say about the morality and their approval of being a homosexual. It's a resounding no. In some polls as much as 70% disapprove of homosexuality. Of course, you knew that. You were just reading all the articles that some media outlets cherrypicked to make it look closer that it is. Some of the same media outlets published stories no more than 2 weeks to a year ago stating how blacks disapproved instead of approved of homosexuality and gay marriage. Organizations like the NAACP are going to try their hardest to make this a political issue when it's not. It's a moral issue to the very people they represent. Well, the people they used to represent. The NAACP is out of touch with blacks now because they try to force their views on them instead of trumpet the views of the people they represent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/u...ge-faces-black-skepticism.html?pagewanted=all
Understanding Black Attitudes Toward Homosexuality | The Defenders Online | A Civil Rights Blog
Blacklight
Blacks' aversion to homosexuality - LA Observed
Black Pastors Speak Out on Obama's Gay Marriage Stance
 
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specklebang said:
NAACP Backs Gay Marriage - WSJ.com

About time. I've been dismayed at what seems to be Black prejudice towards gays. Makes no sense, really. A welcome new voice.
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I agree, about time. There is no reason why legally same sex marriage should be banned. NONE.

There are lots of things that are legal that are not morally right to Christians. The fact that my marriage (between a man and a woman) is not recognized between the catholic church and many other religions, is proof that a LEGAL marriage has no basis in religion. SO religion should not be a basis to make SSM illegal.
 
Objective-J said:
100% wrong LOL

you are using my words out of content and with no facts to back up your hyperbole LMAO

do you have proof that the the majority of black americans actively participate in trying to stop equal gay rights? NOPE its something you made up

soooooooo until you do, you "using my words" is complete BS and exposes you for a logical fallacy :laughat:

now wipe the egg off your face and let me know what part you dont get :D
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Wow, I directly quote you and you still try to argue that it's out of context, amazing that you won't own the fact that you have the exact logical conundrum that Charles Krauthammer pointed out in the thread I got that quote from...if all opponents of SSM are bigots, and a majority of black people oppose SSM, then the majority of black people are bigots.

Just admit it....:):2razz:;)
 
teamosil said:
It doesn't seem like you are clear on what the word "hypocritical" means.
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hyp·o·crit·i·cal  /ˌhɪpəˈkrɪtɪkəl/ Show Spelled[hip-uh-krit-i-kuhl]
adjective
1. of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess: The parent who has a “do what I say and not what I do” attitude can appear hypocritical to a child.
Hypocritical | Define Hypocritical at Dictionary.com
To wit, the NAACP never approved of gay marriage until President Obama, whom they have an interest in winning because he's black, approved of it. Therefore, their view of SSM was always no because it reflected the beliefs of the people they represent, black people. Now that the candidate they want to win is in support of it, they do support it. That would be the pretense of having beliefs or principles one does not actually possess would it not?
 
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Here comes the cliche'...but I don't know how else to say it so...........


I have OODLES of black friends. ALL of them are for gay marriage. They know what it feels like to be discriminated against, I guess. So it comes as a surprise that others are surprised or think blacks are against gay marriage.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Wow, I directly quote you and you still try to argue that it's out of context, amazing that you won't own the fact that you have the exact logical conundrum that Charles Krauthammer pointed out in the thread I got that quote from...if all opponents of SSM are bigots, and a majority of black people oppose SSM, then the majority of black people are bigots.

Just admit it....:)
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WOW!!!!!:shock:

you just made yourself look like a even bigger fool than before

not only don't you have proof of your false claim (the majority of blacks are actively participating in stopping equal gay rights) this doenst mean an opponent LOL

now you are flat out lying and making stuff up. Who said that "opponents" of SSM are bigots????? NOT ME OR MY QUOTE lol

wow now theres DOUBLE EGG on your face, maybe you shouldnt be so dishonest and use my whole quote, read it and understand it and you wont be so exposed :lamo

hmmm lets look at more of my quote

Objective-J said:
Now the wording is key, I have no problem with people not agreeing with it and doing what you want for you are yours. You have a right to speak out against it, believe its wrong, teach its wrong, preach its wrong, feel its wrong etc etc etc

if you actively participate in preventing others from having equal rights as an american you are a huge hypocrite and the possibility of you being a bigot, arrogant, illogical, irrational, prejudice and or a fool is solidly present. Also like stillballin I would love to here any logical sound reasoning why this is not true.
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weird you backed off from my actual statement and then lied and tried to change it to "opponents" ????hmmmmmm

I wonder why you would do that?

oh, i know because your hyperbole BS got exposed and you had to deflect quickly but nobody objective and actually reading buys it LMAO

tell me that cool part about admitting it again??? :laughat:

im still waiting for proof of your BS please back up your lie that the majority of black americans actively participate in trying to stop equal gay rights

Ill wait :D
 
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Enola said:
Here comes the cliche'...but I don't know how else to say it so...........


I have OODLES of black friends. ALL of them are for gay marriage. They know what it feels like to be discriminated against, I guess. So it comes as a surprise that others are surprised or think blacks are against gay marriage.
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Where were all your imaginary black friends for voting on prop 8 in California?
 
Objective-J said:
now you are flat out lying and making stuff up. Who said that "opponents" of SSM are bigots????? NOT ME OR MY QUOTE lol
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lol haha :D I say again (since you can't seem to read what you wrote) I'm giving a direct quote of what you said :D

maybe you shouldnt be so dishonest and use my whole quote, read it and understand it and you wont be so exposed
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I certainly didn't take what you said out of context, you are just trying to play games to pretend that you didn't mean what you said lololol :lamo

;);)
 
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vendur said:
Where were all your imaginary black friends for voting on prop 8 in California?
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Frankly, that doesn't mean much. Those types of eelections often only bring out the radicals, those over excited about an issue. They don't really represent a majority in any sense of the meaning of the word.
 
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