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Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

TurtleDude said:
the bigger the government the more it can screw stuff up. and it was government that required banks to lend to irresponsible borrowers.
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no it was not

texas did not suffer from a housing crisis because the banks were preventeg from idiotic loans. in places with less restrictive banking laws the banks made idiotic loans. See ireland and spain as foreign examples. the vast majority of loans were made voluntarily then sold other investors. they were made because the banks were making money on them
 
haymarket said:
Again, as with perhaps half the things you write in reply to me, I have no idea what you are talking about due to the intentionally brief style you have intentionally adopted so as to present as small of a target as is humanly possible.
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Haha..

You think its worth my time to show up to vote on a budget that cuts $300 billion?
 
Henrin said:
Haha..

You think its worth my time to show up to vote on a budget that cuts $300 billion?
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Are you not from the same end of the political spectrum that whipped itself into a frenzy pontificating about the tremendous waste of the funding for NPR a year or two ago?
 
lpast said:
...the rich and corporations will always whine they pay too much taxs...
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Our system has it backwards. To encourage success, we should reward success. On the flip side we should discourage failure by punishing failure.

To reward the successful, those at the top should get additional tax breaks.

Back to the flip side, a "Punishment Tax" would be enacted on those making near minimum wage. This new tax would also help pay for the increased defense spending which is badly needed.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Our system has it backwards. To encourage success, we should reward success. On the flip side we should discourage failure by punishing failure.

To reward the successful, those at the top should get additional tax breaks.

Back to the flip side, a "Punishment Tax" would be enacted on those making near minimum wage. This new tax would also help pay for the increased defense spending which is badly needed.
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The Gilded Age of the last half of the 1800's was a veritable enlightened workers paradise compared to your ideas.
 
haymarket said:
Are you not from the same end of the political spectrum that whipped itself into a frenzy pontificating about the tremendous waste of the funding for NPR a year or two ago?
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Would I vote to cut funding to NPR? Yes I would. Would I want more than just cutting NPR? Yes I would. Would I demand that I get more than NPR funding cut? Yes I would.
 
Henrin said:
Would I vote to cut funding to NPR? Yes I would. Would I want more than just cutting NPR? Yes I would. Would I demand that I get more than NPR funding cut? Yes I would.
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And that pittance gets you aroused and ready to vote but $300 billion does not.

Nuff said. ;)
 
johnny_rebson said:
Our system has it backwards. To encourage success, we should reward success. On the flip side we should discourage failure by punishing failure.

To reward the successful, those at the top should get additional tax breaks.

Back to the flip side, a "Punishment Tax" would be enacted on those making near minimum wage. This new tax would also help pay for the increased defense spending which is badly needed.
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uh, no.....being rich should not entitle you to special treatment,special perks, and no, they are not special....and definitely NO on a 'punishment tax' as you put it ...
 
haymarket said:
Billy asks the following questions:

So how would you cut the welfare roles?

Good question. I imagine it would take a combination of things including having a first rate education system which properly educates and prepares citizens to assume adult responsibilities and that would include work. I also favor a person doing an actual job which has benefit to society if we are going to hand them a check anyways.

How about balancing the budget?
I do not think that is a short term achievable goal since we are so out of whack right now. It starts with cutting $300 billion now and taking it year by year as we raise revenues at the same time.


How about cutting spending?

$300 billion right away.

How many govt agencies would you gut? How many would you totally get rid of?

I do not know.

That is a serious matter that deserves serious consideration.
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I've heard this "education" thing for 30 years now and IMHO it hasn't been a success. There has to be a carrott and stick approach. If you're on the taxpayer dole, then you have to work 4 hours for the state/county/city doing whatever AND have 4 hours of training/education. Fail to accomplish either and you're on your own.


I think holding our elected representatives collective feet to the fire on balancing the budget is a winner all around.


$300 billion just isn't enough, IMO.


There has to be redundency in the govt. If 2/3/4 govt agencies are doing the same thing, then 1 agency gets axed and the others are combined to do the job, until we see which can do it the best.


But if our representatives believe there are any cuts to be made, all agencies need to be cut the same amount or %. And no hiring private contractors to pick up or fill in. Bit the bullet, the taxpayer is sure as hell is cutting back.
 
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haymarket said:
And that pittance gets you aroused and ready to vote but $300 billion does not.

Nuff said. ;)
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That is where you are wrong. If you offer it up in a budget that cuts $300 billion its still not worth my time.

If you think I will accept tiny little cuts along the way the answer is still no. I want more and everything else will be a no.

I'm not a republican hay and while they accept your retarded games, I will not.
 
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Henrin said:
That is where you are wrong. If you offer it up in a budget that cuts $300 billion its still not worth my time.



I'm not a republican hay and while they accept your retarded games, I will not.
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Its a good thing that you ARE NOT an elected representative of the people wince you place such a strange priority on both your time and the money of the people.

Of course you are not a Republican. You are far to the right of even that right wing party.

You should refrain from a word like RETARDED. It is insulting on many levels and a personal attack.
 
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haymarket said:
Its a good thing that you ARE NOT an elected representative of the people wince you place such a strange priority on both your time and the money of the people.
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You forget that I'm not wasting their money or time. You are doing both here. I am simply telling everyone to stay at home to avoid such issues when bull**** offers are made for action.

Of course you are not a Republican. You are far to the right of then that right wing party.
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They play your games that allows you to run the show. I'm simply saying I will not play your game and forcing you to play MY game.

You should refrain from a word like RETARDED. It is insulting on many levels and a personal attack.
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I don't care if its insulting and I was clearly using it in relation to your games.
 
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Henrin said:
You forget that I'm not wasting their money or time. You are doing both here. I am simply telling everyone to stay at home to avoid such issues when bull**** offers are made for action.



They play your games that allows you to run the show. I'm simply saying I will not play your game and forcing you to play MY game.
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Then we differ that saving $300 BILLION DOLLARS is significant. I happen to think it is. I suspect that the American people would also think $300 BILLION DOLLARS is significant also. We know that the right wing mouth foamers think a few million is significant when it is one of their convenient partisan targets like NPR funding.

What exactly is "your game" that you want to force people to play? As with many of these cryptic statements you tend to make, I have no idea what you are talking about. And I suspect you cannot explain it either or you would have already done so.
 
$300 billion dollar is significant, especially overnight. Actually, it is approximately what I would cut from governmental spending, and much more than what Republicans and Democrats want. However, I would use more time to not cause a another recession like in Europe. (Austerity is not the only reason Europe is in recession right now)

What I will do
1. Reverse Bush tax cuts for all income levels, that will give $300-$400 billion dollar extra revenue. The gap is way too large, to be solved by spending cuts alone.
2. Cut 400 billion dollar over four years. 200 should be done on mandatory spending and 200 on military spending. 200 on social security/Medicaid/Medicare. I will leave the discretionary budget mostly alone.
3. Reform entitlements so that the growth in spending is reduced.
4. Reform the tax system, remove deductions but also lower some taxes. Without deductions, then US need to reduce its corporate tax.
 
Matt Foley said:
If he weren't running for public office he would have payed 0%, just like all the other rich tax evaders.
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Actually the majority of Americans are tax evaders while 'the rich' have to carry them. You didn't know this?
 
TurtleDude said:
more idiotic claims you cannot possibly back up. standard procedure for your posts. every few months some newbie comes along and makes such idiotic claims only to get schooled.
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Such as re coal trade on the Ohio River in the 18th century? You stumble over the little things that would have become part of the nature of an actual wealthy person or person trained in the law. You are neither one of those things...not by a long shot.
 
TurtleDude said:
sadly we make dependency on the state far too easy
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What we make far too easy is for under-educated misanthropes to bespoil the internet with their imaginary tripe. I see it every day...
 
TurtleDude said:
...its time for Atlas to shrug and make the parasites go cold turkey
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LOL! So the great mind was swallowed whole by no larger an intellect than that of Ayn Rand? What a joke...
 
TurtleDude said:
I need to see some proof of your idiotic claim that "the wealth of the nation was sucked dry".
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You realize I suppose that this was an admission of not knowing anything at all about the genesis of the credit crisis and consequent Great Bush Recession.
 
haymarket said:
Actually my FICA proposal would ONLY effect the 7 to 9% of Americans who ARE NOT now paying the tax on ALL their earnings the way that the other 91 to 93% of Americans are. You cannot raise the taxes on them because they already pay on 100% of their earnings.
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so people like me who have earned income of several hundred thousand dollars are going to get massive increases in our benefits?
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Such as re coal trade on the Ohio River in the 18th century? You stumble over the little things that would have become part of the nature of an actual wealthy person or person trained in the law. You are neither one of those things...not by a long shot.
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your stupid attacks are a waste of time. your personal attacks are idiotic. why not PM Captain Courtesy, he will set you straight so you do not continue to clutter up threads with your mindless drivel about me
 
Cardinal Fang said:
What we make far too easy is for under-educated misanthropes to bespoil the internet with their imaginary tripe. I see it every day...
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I have no clue who you are talking about. I would bet lots of money I am not undereducated compared to you
 
Cardinal Fang said:
LOL! So the great mind was swallowed whole by no larger an intellect than that of Ayn Rand? What a joke...
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I would suggest Ayn Rand's intellect is well established. as to those who make mindless comments about her, not so much
 
The most rabid anti-freedom fighters are generally those who call themselves "patriots". This proposed law and those who support it are as anti-American as they come.

Declaration of Independence said:
We hold these truths to be self-evident... That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it ... He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. ... For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent ...
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I think you will find that the transgressions of the modern United States government far exceed those committed by King George III.
 
10 years of total stagnation and your bitching that people are trying to leave? For all the credit you give millionaires and billionaires perhaps you should trust their judgement on trying to scramble...

It's brain drain not tax evasion.
 
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