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Über Rich Renouncing U.S Citizenship as IRS Cracks Down on Tax Evaders [W:209]

I remember when Hollywood libs were threatening to renounce citizenship when Bush was elected, unfortunately it was all talk but I don't remember other libs bashing them like they are bashing people for not wanting to give half of their income to a corrupt inept wasteful government.
 
1,780 is .05% of 1% of the total population of this country. And it doesn't even say what the income level is of the alleged "super rich" for comparison.

Doing a quick search I found this:
The 400 highest-earning households in the United States averaged nearly $345 million in 2007,

So best case scenario, let's say in 2011 all 1,780 defectors made $345 million each (that's generous). That's $614 billion.

With the current rate of $10 billion per day to run the government, we could survive for 61.4 days if we took all of the income.

I don't think this issue is worth much anger or concern, tbh.

:shrug:
 
The rich need to send a message to the people that run this country and leaving is a great way to do it.

I support him in his move and wish him all the luck.

Or they could just pick better people for us to vote for, seeins how they pre-screen all our candidates.
 
I heard about that @#$% Facebook founder who renounced his citizenship to avoid taxes. I think we should tell him, sure, he can avoid those taxes like that, but he's never allowed back into the country for any reason, no tourist visas, no business visas, nothing.


I agree with that.Those who renounce their citizenship should never be allowed back into the country again regardless of reason. If possible I think we should also ban American businesses from having anything to do with those that renounce their citizenship.

Don't let him ever set foot onto American soil, and if he does, arrest him and put him in prison for illegal immigration. Make the fine for his release and deportation whatever amount of money his taxes as an American citizen would have been.
While illegal immigration is a crime under Title 8 Section 1325 illegal immigration for the first offense is punishable with 6 months in jail and fined between 50-250 dollars. So he would not be tossed into prison,unless this is his second time trying to sneak into the country which is then punishable with 2 years in prison. You would have to change the law to state that anyone who renounces their citizenship to avoid taxes and comes back illegally will be imprisoned until their pay back taxes. A citizen of another country who is not employed or self-employed in the US does not owe income taxes to the US, they pay income taxes to what ever country they are citizens of. So I do not think you can hold them for taxes they don't owe.
 
I heard about that @#$% Facebook founder who renounced his citizenship to avoid taxes. I think we should tell him, sure, he can avoid those taxes like that, but he's never allowed back into the country for any reason, no tourist visas, no business visas, nothing. Don't let him ever set foot onto American soil, and if he does, arrest him and put him in prison for illegal immigration. Make the fine for his release and deportation whatever amount of money his taxes as an American citizen would have been.

He also renounced his guns citizenship and settled in Singapore. We welcome him.
 
The rich need to send a message to the people that run this country and leaving is a great way to do it.

I support him in his move and wish him all the luck.

We the people need to tell the rich..you want to be a pig at the trough sucking the life out of the country...GTFO take you money...get lost and you cant come back....the US would be ALL THE BETTER>..because there will always be a pig standing in line to get to the trough...but the new pigs will have something to worry about...and by pigs I dont refer to everyone who is rich...Pigs at the trough is a term I reserve for CEOs of corporations and the big bank criminal pigs...
 
Banishment is not going to change these people. They used the "American dream" to get where they are, and now they want to discard this country like a used piece of toilet paper. Twenty years of hard labor in a penal camp should teach them the proper amount of respect for working people and the lower and middle class citizens of this country.

Maybe it's because they don't want what they earned to be lost through policies that go against the American dream.
 
Banishment is not going to change these people. They used the "American dream" to get where they are, and now they want to discard this country like a used piece of toilet paper. Twenty years of hard labor in a penal camp should teach them the proper amount of respect for working people and the lower and middle class citizens of this country.

They are not required to respect anyone, only obey the laws. If they have done that, you have nothing to complain about.
 
I agree with that.Those who renounce their citizenship should never be allowed back into the country again regardless of reason. If possible I think we should also ban American businesses from having anything to do with those that renounce their citizenship.


While illegal immigration is a crime under Title 8 Section 1325 illegal immigration for the first offense is punishable with 6 months in jail and fined between 50-250 dollars. So he would not be tossed into prison,unless this is his second time trying to sneak into the country which is then punishable with 2 years in prison. You would have to change the law to state that anyone who renounces their citizenship to avoid taxes and comes back illegally will be imprisoned until their pay back taxes. A citizen of another country who is not employed or self-employed in the US does not owe income taxes to the US, they pay income taxes to what ever country they are citizens of. So I do not think you can hold them for taxes they don't owe.

If people are leaving this country because of government policies, we should be focusing on those policies and not the people.
 
They are not required to respect anyone, only obey the laws. If they have done that, you have nothing to complain about.

Exactly. My family came to this country in the latter half of the 19th century. They were poor, and penniless, the epitome of the 'tired, poor, and huddled masses yearning to be free'. They worked hard, they built a name for themselves. Our business was agriculture in sunny California. During both World Wars, not only did My Grandfather, and his father enlist, the ones who could not worked hard, supported the community, and the country. In the 60's, my grandparents had enough to start an orchard. My father was raised working in that orchard, I too worked in the orchard, learning the value of a penny earned, but that orchard is now property of the state of California because it was more profitable for companies to purchase outsourced products. My grandparents strongly believed in buying American, and because of our piece of **** government legislated American business owners to death, we lost the orchard. Couldn't afford to keep it, couldn't afford to pay our employees, or all the benefits their gay little unions bitched and moaned about. It would have greatly benefited us to hire illegals, buy cheap Chinese equipment, and all that other crap companies are forced to do because of prohibitive taxing and forced costs, but we didn't. The lesson I learned from all of it is that doing the right thing, and standing by your principals, means you gon get raped with no lube by our wonderful government, because the 'tired, poor, and huddled masses yearning to be free' of today demand everything for nothing, and our dumb **** government gives it to them at everybodies expense.

If I didn't still love my country, and hold out some seemingly foolish hope that America will someday do the right thing for once and support her People, I'd cash out what the government hasn't decided should go to worthless bums and ungrateful, self entitled illegals who won't even bother to commit to this land that allows them a proper place to raise a family, I'd bail too. Why wouldn't the wealthy leave? They're being robbed.
 
The uber rich wouldn't be leaving if we weren't subsidizing other countries security. Take Europe for instance, if we pulled out of Europe then European countries would have to drastically raise taxes to defend themselves, so the uber rich wouldn't be moving into European countries.

That goes for direct foreign aid and free trade as well. But hey, you guys want globalism, so don't complain when globalism happens.

If America abandoned globalism, the uber-rich would be crawling on their hands and knees to get their citizenship back, even with back taxes in hand.
 
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He also renounced his guns citizenship and settled in Singapore. We welcome him.

Will you take that piece of **** Facebook with you too please?
 
Will you take that piece of **** Facebook with you too please?

Saverin is a co-founder, and I believe is Brazilian. So I doubt his allegiance to the US was that strong anyway. He won't be taking facebook since he doesn't control it.
 
We the people need to tell the rich..you want to be a pig at the trough sucking the life out of the country...GTFO take you money...get lost and you cant come back....the US would be ALL THE BETTER>..because there will always be a pig standing in line to get to the trough...but the new pigs will have something to worry about...and by pigs I dont refer to everyone who is rich...Pigs at the trough is a term I reserve for CEOs of corporations and the big bank criminal pigs...

Rock stars left the UK during the "British invasion" of pop music, largely due to ridiculously high taxes, and mostly to America's benefit. Now the Americans, apparently unaware and uninfluenced by history, are also encouraging their best, brightest and richest to leave.

We welcome them to Canada and I'm happy to see many of them settling in Costa Rica as well.

It's the governments who are the greedy pigs, by the way, with their faces in the trough, an inability to balance a budget, and a recklessness in spending that will eventually bring the country down to its knees.
 
Saverin is a co-founder, and I believe is Brazilian. So I doubt his allegiance to the US was that strong anyway. He won't be taking facebook since he doesn't control it.

Rather literal aren't we?
 

LOL! The Americans can't guard their own borders except against those who created wealth in their country, and many seem unaware that there are many dozens of fantastic alternatives in the world to live, Costa Rica among them.

So you have hundreds of poor arriving in the US weekly while, at the same time, the rich are leaving. This makes economic forecasts pretty easy to predict.

Kick out the rich and continue accumulating debt of over $1 trillion year.

Go Obama!
 
Eventually, I can see America heading to one of three scenarios: (1) a civil war that will make the last one seem like a bar fight, (2) a series of secessions, or (3) a mass exodus to another place to start anew. The rich gotta leave first for the last to come to pass.
 
I heard about that @#$% Facebook founder who renounced his citizenship to avoid taxes. I think we should tell him, sure, he can avoid those taxes like that, but he's never allowed back into the country for any reason, no tourist visas, no business visas, nothing. Don't let him ever set foot onto American soil, and if he does, arrest him and put him in prison for illegal immigration. Make the fine for his release and deportation whatever amount of money his taxes as an American citizen would have been.
He has since "explained" how his move is not about taxation... then went ahead and explained how it IS about taxation. Essentially, he failed at his spin attempt.

Read this a couple days ago. Don't have the link in front of me, and I'm not inclined to go look it up, either.
 
another brilliant liberal position. drive them out of the country by targeting them unfairly, then further harm the economy by not allowing the wealthy to visit here and spend money.
Another brilliant libertarian "shoot ourselves in the foot" position. Let them suck off the American consumer's tit, then allow them to leave scot-free, then kid ourselves that their relative miniscule spending at some vague later date will make up for it.
 
Another brilliant libertarian "shoot ourselves in the foot" position. Let them suck off the American consumer's tit, then allow them to leave scot-free, then kid ourselves that their relative miniscule spending at some vague later date will make up for it.

love the irony.

libertarians aren't making tax policy in this country, but liberals certainly are.

And wealthy inventors are fleeing the utopian dream, preferring to renounce citizenship then partake in your vision, yet the libertarians are shooting ourselves in the foot according to you.

a person would struggle to think up this type of insanity, so thanks! it was a great laugh
 
I'm surprised that Ayn Rand hasn't be mentioned in this thread.

The uber rich wouldn't be leaving if we weren't subsidizing other countries security. Take Europe for instance, if we pulled out of Europe then European countries would have to drastically raise taxes to defend themselves, so the uber rich wouldn't be moving into European countries.

That goes for direct foreign aid and free trade as well. But hey, you guys want globalism, so don't complain when globalism happens.

If America abandoned globalism, the uber-rich would be crawling on their hands and knees to get their citizenship back, even with back taxes in hand.

For as much as the uber rich contribute to this country, neither they nor their supporters consider the externalities. How much has infrastructure and security provided them with the capacity to make large sums of money? Then consider how many fortune 500 companies are behind on their taxes. I do not propose an increase in taxes. Rather, I propose an entirely new system where everyone, regardless of income, pays the same percentage. Problem solved.
 
Another brilliant libertarian "shoot ourselves in the foot" position. Let them suck off the American consumer's tit, then allow them to leave scot-free, then kid ourselves that their relative miniscule spending at some vague later date will make up for it.

Hey man, I've seen more than one liberal on this site telling us (libertarians) to just leave if we don't like being taxed to death, so don't go on about how libertarians aren't playing nice boys and girls. The general attitude of libs on this site is that instead of controlling spending by government, and reigning in what is going to break us financially, WE shoud just leave. The problem with that attitude is that if those of us paying the bills were to all leave, this country wouldn't last 1 year.
 
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