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Ted Nugent explodes at notion he's not a moderate

I bet you think three weeks paid vacation in Hawaii is not so great either. ;)

:lol: Wouldn't know. Never been. But I have listened to Springsteen alot, and met his band manager and road manager once. He's decent, but not the end all be all of musicians. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of the Rolling Stones either. I got a free VIP set of tickets, VIP parking, VIP seating, blah blah blah. Still didn't enjoy the show :lol: .
 
I kinda like Springsteen, he had a marketing style that was genius.

You always hear the musicians come on and say all they care about is music, but actually they care about selling records.

Springsteen came on as an average guy with torn jeans singing about small towns.
Another one used the same marketing ploy, John Cougar Melencamp.
Check their record sales compared to Ted Nugent

Never underestimate the small town sales of America:peace
Springsteen and Mellencamp are very good, no question. But Springsteen was not really a "small America" writer, a lot of his stuff was about New Jersey, or moving on from a dark situation, etc. he was more of a social issues rocker, Mellencamp was a "heartland" type of writer for sure. Both have their places in rock and made quite a bit of money doing it, they also happened to hit the right sound at the right time. The 70s were about loud, sloppy, and experimental playing whereas the 80s were about polish, and let's not kid ourselves.....Springsteen and Mellencamp are very polished.
 
Hardest working man in show business. Back in the day before Bruce, you would buy a ticket to an arena show and if the lead band played for 60 to 75 minutes that was a long time. Along comes Bruce and its the three to four hour show as the standard. That made lots of others lengthen their appearances to at least two hours.
 
Springsteen and Mellencamp are very good, no question. But Springsteen was not really a "small America" writer, a lot of his stuff was about New Jersey, or moving on from a dark situation, etc. he was more of a social issues rocker, Mellencamp was a "heartland" type of writer for sure. Both have their places in rock and made quite a bit of money doing it, they also happened to hit the right sound at the right time. The 70s were about loud, sloppy, and experimental playing whereas the 80s were about polish, and let's not kid ourselves.....Springsteen and Mellencamp are very polished.

You have some good points - but the early Springsteen is very much Phil Spector wall of sound from the Fifties alternated with Dylan's DESOLATION ROW - T/ S, ELLIOT THE WASTELAND story telling. He is very 70's. His music is tight - very tight..... perhaps it is polished in the sense that he works like crazy to get it right - at least what he thinks is right.
 
I kinda like Springsteen, he had a marketing style that was genius.

You always hear the musicians come on and say all they care about is music, but actually they care about selling records.

Springsteen came on as an average guy with torn jeans singing about small towns.
Another one used the same marketing ploy, John Cougar Melencamp.
Check their record sales compared to Ted Nugent

Never underestimate the small town sales of America:peace

I agree. Also, you get somebody that can find a niche and they are in like Flynn. Look at Toby Keith. He was just a mediocre country singer until 9/11 and then he capitalized on everyone's anger and he started belting out patriotic songs and got rich. He never did a single patriotic song (that I could find) until 9/11, and then there for a while, that's all he did.
 
Thank you , you just made my point, so why is Ted Nugent being discussed on Debate politics Forum?
Is it his songwriting capabilities... don't think so
Is it because of his in depth knowledge of music....don't think so
Is it because of his guitar playing such as it was or as it is... don't think so
Is it because he's so interesting ... don't think so

Maybe it's because of his political speech is so eloquent ... don't think so
After all threatening to chop the head off a political leader in America seems a bit stupid to me.

Am I missing something?:peace

we all know why he is brought up here.... his antics , loud mouth, and political views ( he's been doing the same thing for decades, it's isn't new)

then we got sidetracked onto his music, and the fact that some folks can't get past his politics and give him credit for being a phenomenal musician and performer.
one doesn't have to like his music to spot his talent.. and he is talented, uber talented with his guitar ( his vocals , for the last decade or so, are nothing like they once were, but meh, he's 60.. it's understandable)

Ted is the Ron Jeremy of rock and Roll... he ain't got the biggest or the very best, but he's the hardest working mofo around and has been for over 40 years... and he brings lots of game when he come to town
he's played arenas, stadiums, and small intimate clubs... rodeos, and NFL games, county fairs and huge mega concerts.... the dude has done it all, and is still doing it all 40 years later, at 60 years old.
as Supa pointed out, he has one of the greatest tunes from the 70 ( Stranglehold, 1975) that is still relevant and extremely popular to this very day .... oth3r great tunes include cat Scratch fever, Just what the doctor ordered, Stormtroopin; Wango Tango,Great White Buffalo, Baby please don't go ( cover), Fred Bear, Little miss dangerous... and over a hundred more i'm not even mentioning.

yes, he's brash, often stupid, in your face, and ridiculous in his conservative political rants and raves... and that, not his music, is why people here dismiss his talents and accomplishments, and for no other reason.... you have to close your mind and completely and utterly deny reality to diminish his musical talent.... but taht's normally what partisan politics does to a person, so it's almost understandable.

i'm not gonna defend his antics or his politics ( I only agree with him on 2nd amendment issues)...that's silly to do and it's perfectly acceptable not to agree with him on that basis.... but damn, I'll defend his musical talents til the cows come home.
 
You have some good points - but the early Springsteen is very much Phil Spector wall of sound from the Fifties alternated with Dylan's DESOLATION ROW - T/ S, ELLIOT THE WASTELAND story telling. He is very 70's. His music is tight - very tight..... perhaps it is polished in the sense that he works like crazy to get it right - at least what he thinks is right.

Bruce and the E street are in my top 10 bands of all time... as a band, they play..well.. perfect
 
I agree. Also, you get somebody that can find a niche and they are in like Flynn. Look at Toby Keith. He was just a mediocre country singer until 9/11 and then he capitalized on everyone's anger and he started belting out patriotic songs and got rich. He never did a single patriotic song (that I could find) until 9/11, and then there for a while, that's all he did.

ugh.. toby keith.
successful as all hell.... not a whole lot of talent there though... nothing unique anyways

as you say, he found a nice little niche and ran with it.
 
Ted is the Ron Jeremy of rock and Roll...

What the difference between Ron Jeremy and Ted Nugent?

One makes a living with his big dick and the other is one.


yes, he's brash, often stupid, in your face, and ridiculous in his conservative political rants and raves..
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And let's not forget he threatened the POTUS and is a draft dodging coward.


and that, not his music, is why people here dismiss his talents and accomplishments, and for no other reason...you have to close your mind and completely and utterly deny reality to diminish his musical talent.... .

Patently false. His music has always sucked. I hated his music long before I knew anything about him as a man.
 
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What the difference between Ron Jeremy and Ted Nugent.

One makes a living with his dick and the other is one.

Hot damn that was good..... sure wish I could write stuff like that.
 
I think you give way too much credit to Bruce's guitar playing... he, too , is a legend,.. but not for his guitar.

He's not a legend for it, but he is not given enough credit as a guitar player. Most, if not all of the leads on the records are him. If you've seen him live, you'd realize that he is a phenomenal guitar player, but doesn't get his props for it.
 
He's not a legend for it, but he is not given enough credit as a guitar player. Most, if not all of the leads on the records are him. If you've seen him live, you'd realize that he is a phenomenal guitar player, but doesn't get his props for it.

Agreed. There are people in this business who are - in the best sense of the word - ENTERTAINERS. Sinatra was one. Cab Calloway was one. Presley was one. James Brown was one. Michael Jackson was one - and Springsteen is one as well.

However, when you combine the writing and musicianship with the ability to entertain, it puts Springsteen in a class with no other peer.
 
What the difference between Ron Jeremy and Ted Nugent.

One makes a living with his big dick and the other is one.


.

And let's not forget he threatened the POTUS and is a draft dodging coward.




Patently false. His music has always sucked. I hated his music long before I knew anything about him as a man.

as I said, one doesn't have to like his music in order to see the talent.
 
Hardest working man in show business. Back in the day before Bruce, you would buy a ticket to an arena show and if the lead band played for 60 to 75 minutes that was a long time. Along comes Bruce and its the three to four hour show as the standard. That made lots of others lengthen their appearances to at least two hours.

First time I saw him, he played a 2 hour set, then an encore. After the encore, the house lights came up and we all started heading for the aisles. Next thing you know, he comes back out on stage wearing a hoodie, announces "I'm not tired yet," and plays 3 or 4 more songs.
 
Ted is a guy who plays a musical instrument and I guess sings...and is not a political expert anymore than a person who works in any other job or profession. In other words his political opinions shouldn't be anymore relevant than anybody else.

And I don't think entertainers or performers should be given special status or media attention in order to express their political views or opinions.
 
First time I saw him, he played a 2 hour set, then an encore. After the encore, the house lights came up and we all started heading for the aisles. Next thing you know, he comes back out on stage wearing a hoodie, announces "I'm not tired yet," and plays 3 or 4 more songs.

That seems to the norm. I have seen him too many times to even count and I would say that three hours is the average.
 
And I don't think entertainers or performers should be given special status or media attention in order to express their political views or opinions.

Personally I hate it when I go to a concert to hear music and get a speech. STFU and play.
 
as I said, one doesn't have to like his music in order to see the talent.

Sorry, but I don't see talent. I see loud, stupid and obnoxious. I can see why the rednecks relate though.
 
Personally I hate it when I go to a concert to hear music and get a speech. STFU and play.

People who like their views are interested in hearing it and that's all there is to it. That's why there's so much apologetic behavior for Rage Against the Machine.

I find it a distraction.
 
People who like their views are interested in hearing it and that's all there is to it. That's why there's so much apologetic behavior for Rage Against the Machine.

I find it a distraction.

Not everyone feels that way. I am liberal, as are many artists obviously. And I hate it when they get on their soapboxes. I come for the music.
 
that's a problem with you, not Ted Nugent.... what you "see" is irrelevant to his talent.

Yes of course, his ****ty music is all my fault. How do you manage such intellect?
 
Not everyone feels that way. I am liberal, as are many artists obviously. And I hate it when they get on their soapboxes. I come for the music.

Not everyone feels that way, it is just an incredibly common phenomenon. Political comedians, musicians, movie stars, and so forth. People look for validation of their ideas and like a new spin on it whether or not it displays in the art being produced.
 
Yes of course, his ****ty music is all my fault. How do you manage such intellect?

I see, as usual, the point flew over your head.... that's fine, I'm patient with the slow this evening.

my point was , your opinion of his music .. in no way, shape, form ,or fashion.. detracts from his talent.

he has that talent regardless of what you think or see.


getting it now?
 
I see, as usual, the point flew over your head.... that's fine, I'm patient with the slow this evening.

my point was , your opinion of his music .. in no way, shape, form ,or fashion.. detracts from his talent.

he has that talent regardless of what you think or see.


getting it now?

Do you get it that lots of people here simply do not see his talent? I grew up with the guy at the same time he did right here in SE Michigan and I never saw it then either. And that was long before the political stuff. I probably saw the guy two dozen times on various shows with other bands. He was at best middle of the pack. The only time they moved near to the head of the line was when they had JOURNEY TO THE CENTER as a big radio play hit. Otherwise, on a eight band show, they were third or fourth from the closers.
 
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