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OWS plan on blocking New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries on May 1st.

Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Yes, just like some Cons are fascists and racists (i.e. KKK members). Point being the majority are NOT commies.



So when you said "not" you really meant "most aren't". Just trying to help you out.... Furthermore, I would like to point out, there are just as many left wing racists and fascists as thier are right wing. At least in my experience. :shrug:
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Well this most recent protest has a little to do with communism... even if it's just a litte. :shrug:


"Several radical groups are part of the coalition, including: the Freedom Socialist Party, the anti-Israel group Labor for Palestine, and the NYS District Communist Party USA."

in my links. :thumbs:

I think that you're scraping to make a political point which does not exist in reality. As I said, the aggregate isn't pushing communism. Just the end to Corporate Capitalism. Which if you believe in Free Market Capitalism, you'd be all for destroying.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

More Con hyperbole, why don't you and apdst go to the basement and have fun while the big boys and girls stay up here and talk.

The OWS group are not commies, they are people that want the government to stop rewarding companies that go overseas and don't produce the jobs they were given the tax breaks for in the first place.

How's the kiddie pool of enlightenment treating you skippy ?

Your post demonstrates the utter stupidity of the left, and the OWS movement. Companies go overseas because the profit is easier to pursue there. Because, among other reasons, we now have the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. We are so inundated with regulations and union BS such as what sunk Detroit, that even the Japanese, where the cost of living is high, have been able to make better cars there, cheaper, and ship them here. Surely, even from teh kiddie pool, you have noticed this over the last 40 years ? Maybe ?

Government rewards had nothing to do with cars made there coming here. Quite the contrary, government had everything to do with aiding the unions in destroying our automotive industry here.

OWS wants guaranteed jobs. Education paid for by someone else. A guaranteed "living wage". An even more progressive tax.

Commies.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

I think that you're scraping to make a political point which does not exist in reality.



pssst. I don't think it's a "communist movement" however, they embrace and accept communist and socialist groups among them. And they push for a redistribution model of wealth, that can only be considered socialist in nature.... Would you disagree?
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

It has nothing to do with Communism. This is also a big problem in America. It seems like we're encouraging healthy doses of stupid. That needs to stop. The movement isn't about Communism and anyone with 1/4 of a functioning brain knows this. Dogs know this. There are certainly Communists within the movement, but the aggregate movement isn't promoting communism. It's time to put stupid arguments aside and perhaps actually address issues.

As I noted above. It absolutely is promoting communism. Even the dead dog Obama eats knows this. ;)
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

pssst. I don't think it's a "communist movement" however, they embrace and accept communist and socialist groups among them. And they push for a redistribution model of wealth, that can only be considered socialist in nature.... Would you disagree?


There is no central organization for OWS, so how can OWS embrace any of those groups?
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

How's the kiddie pool of enlightenment treating you skippy ?

Your post demonstrates the utter stupidity of the left, and the OWS movement. Companies go overseas because the profit is easier to pursue there. Because, among other reasons, we now have the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. We are so inundated with regulations and union BS such as what sunk Detroit, that even the Japanese, where the cost of living is high, have been able to make better cars there, cheaper, and ship them here. Surely, even from teh kiddie pool, you have noticed this over the last 40 years ? Maybe ?

Government rewards had nothing to do with cars made there coming here. Quite the contrary, government had everything to do with aiding the unions in destroying our automotive industry here.

OWS wants guaranteed jobs. Education paid for by someone else. A guaranteed "living wage". An even more progressive tax.

Commies.

Really? Corporate tax rate could be high (how many subsidies do corporations get in return?), but perchance the REAL difference is the difference between a protected working class and near slave labor. Hmm? Maybe? A little bit?
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

As I noted above. It absolutely is promoting communism. Even the dead dog Obama eats knows this. ;)

As you noted above, your arguments are simplistic, politicized garbage with complete lack of intellectual honesty.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Really? Corporate tax rate could be high (how many subsidies do corporations get in return?), but perchance the REAL difference is the difference between a protected working class and near slave labor. Hmm? Maybe? A little bit?

"slave labor" :roll:

Is working for McD's for minimum wage "slave labor" ? How so ? Because one can't raise a family on it ? Or because one would need to have a roommate in an apartment ? Oh the horror !!!
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Really? Corporate tax rate could be high (how many subsidies do corporations get in return?), but perchance the REAL difference is the difference between a protected working class and near slave labor. Hmm? Maybe? A little bit?



Some companies get subsidies and bailouts. Small companies and tax payers pay for it. OWS instead of slamming obama and his bailouts, goes after the people who play by the rules created by the administration.

I thought the ad busters origional goal was a noble one, an oversight committe that would reccomend strong changes in laws to better protect against this sort of thing. but you ask 100 OWS idiots what the ad busters origional goal was, they will stare at you with a stoned dumb look on thier face.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

As you noted above, your arguments are simplistic, politicized garbage with complete lack of intellectual honesty.

LOL ... because you say so ?

What a joke. Truth hurts, don't it ;)
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

As I noted above. It absolutely is promoting communism. Even the dead dog Obama eats knows this. ;)

I missed the part where OWS wants ALL stores and all companies to be owned by the state. Where was that again or do you not know what communism is?

Also, wanting a living wage, is not the same as everyone having the SAME wage which would be communist.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

There is no central organization for OWS, so how can OWS embrace any of those groups?



The main group.

Occupy the Bridge


For this next threat,

embraces them.



You can thank the Good Reverend for his haute vulgarisation any time you like. Thanks. :pimpdaddy:
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Some companies get subsidies and bailouts. Small companies and tax payers pay for it.

Small companies aren't amongst the protected class. Corporations are the protected entity and every day are entangled further with the State. The Corporate State is where we're headed, aka fascism (as this is pretty much the functional definition of fascism).

OWS instead of slamming obama and his bailouts, goes after the people who play by the rules created by the administration.

I thought the ad busters origional goal was a noble one, an oversight committe that would reccomend strong changes in laws to better protect against this sort of thing. but you ask 100 OWS idiots what the ad busters origional goal was, they will stare at you with a stoned dumb look on thier face.

OWS has not done a good job in general. Yet the aggregate is not pushing communism or anything like that. They're pissed off at the Corporate State, as they should be. As we all should be, particularly if we're free market supporters.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

LOL ... because you say so ?

What a joke. Truth hurts, don't it ;)

And the reverse side is....because you say so?

What a joke.

Try consistency and honesty in your arguments please.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

"slave labor" :roll:

Is working for McD's for minimum wage "slave labor" ? How so ? Because one can't raise a family on it ? Or because one would need to have a roommate in an apartment ? Oh the horror !!!

"Slave labor", or NEAR slave labor as I stated (thanks for the honesty) are the working conditions in the countries we offshore production to. There are very few labor and environmental laws and thus it becomes cheaper to produce at the expense of its People. Duh.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Small companies aren't amongst the protected class. Corporations are the protected entity and every day are entangled further with the State. The Corporate State is where we're headed, aka fascism (as this is pretty much the functional definition of fascism).

Changes proposed by Obama, OWS, etc, would affect my business. They talk about "1%" but it's more like "30%"... they lump rich with super rich. It's done because you tax the super rich more, they go "meh" you Tax the rich, you prevent them from becoming superrich like the kerry's, buffets, etc of this country.

OWS has not done a good job in general. Yet the aggregate is not pushing communism or anything like that. They're pissed off at the Corporate State, as they should be. As we all should be, particularly if we're free market supporters.


They aren'y pushing anything, they disbanded for the most part, and back then all they pushed was a lack of hygene, drugs, and sexual assaults.... Along with hypocritical treatment of others, becoming too good for others... .There was two zuccotti parks. One filled with latte's from starbucks, and burgers from Burger king. Then there was the other side, those they didn't consider at thier level.

It was a pathetic display.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

"Slave labor", or NEAR slave labor as I stated (thanks for the honesty) are the working conditions in the countries we offshore production to. There are very few labor and environmental laws and thus it becomes cheaper to produce at the expense of its People. Duh.

LOL ..... like Toyota ? Nissan ? Honda ? Hyundai ? Kia ? Care to explain that ?

Come to think of it, much of the auto production has shifted from northern "yankee" states to southern "slave" states. Is that what you meant with your iteeelectwool honesty ;)
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

I support this 100%. I hope this works out and brings back the national attention to the movement.
Its all well suited to attempt this nation wide strike, protest, occupying of bridges etc on May Day..
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

LOL ..... like Toyota ? Nissan ? Honda ? Hyundai ? Kia ? Care to explain that ?

Come to think of it, much of the auto production has shifted from northern "yankee" states to southern "slave" states. Is that what you meant with your iteeelectwool honesty ;)

Like Apple, Microsoft, many companies we bitch about "offshoring", ones you yourself were bitching about offshoring production because of "too much regulation" on our side. They aren't really leaving from "too much regulation", but rather due to lax laws and regulations in other countries which allow them to cut well more corners than they can in the Western countries.

So now we're looking at the Japanese companies being in America and pretending that no one is offshoring? Is that the extent of your integrity? Seems that way.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Changes proposed by Obama, OWS, etc, would affect my business. They talk about "1%" but it's more like "30%"... they lump rich with super rich. It's done because you tax the super rich more, they go "meh" you Tax the rich, you prevent them from becoming superrich like the kerry's, buffets, etc of this country.

There would be a lot to be affected. Obama is just going on the same corporate train as everyone else has so I wouldn't expect anything there. There could be much gain in terms of actual competition and economic mobility if we moved to a more free market style economy instead of corporate capitalism.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

I support this 100%. I hope this works out and brings back the national attention to the movement.
Its all well suited to attempt this nation wide strike, protest, occupying of bridges etc on May Day..




I bet it flops.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Like Apple, Microsoft, many companies we bitch about "offshoring", ones you yourself were bitching about offshoring production because of "too much regulation" on our side. They aren't really leaving from "too much regulation", but rather due to lax laws and regulations in other countries which allow them to cut well more corners than they can in the Western countries.

Certainly that's the primary motivator of large corporations. The regulations hurt smaller businesses... the one's which do not have the man power or payroll to hire people to understand the millions of regulations they need to follow. The corporations have those people, but hate the high taxes and costs of doing business here in the U.S.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

There would be a lot to be affected. Obama is just going on the same corporate train as everyone else has so I wouldn't expect anything there. There could be much gain in terms of actual competition and economic mobility if we moved to a more free market style economy instead of corporate capitalism.



Well see that's the problem with OWS. it's a left wing tea party (current form) blaming the other guy disquised as a new movement.
 
Re: 'Occupy' Promises 'Biggest Shut Down The City Of New York Has Ever Seen,' Blockad

Certainly that's the primary motivator of large corporations. The regulations hurt smaller businesses... the one's which do not have the man power or payroll to hire people to understand the millions of regulations they need to follow. The corporations have those people, but hate the high taxes and costs of doing business here in the U.S.

The regulations absolutely harm small business. But the government isn't looking to protect small business.
 
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