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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

Somerville said:
a bit of an edit of another's words

Many people are predisposed to fear "difference". That very much is human nature. Hatred of the other comes from fear, it is part of our animal nature. Being human means that some of us can make our way past that initial fear.
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You could at least give me credit for my words before you attempt to change them. I agree hate and fear go hand in hand, however, hate is every bit as natural to humans as fear. And it is human nature to hate.
 
tessaesque said:
Not to any extent which would justify the mentality that christians are correct in demeaning homosexuals by denying them rights.
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I believe that's called changing the goalposts...?

All I'm saying is that it was mentioned in the NT.
 
I honestly don't understand why fellow Christians are against same sex marriage and other gay rights. The point of scripture is to change hearts, be good people and bring others to Christ. How is screaming about gay marriage going to change any hearts? How is being hateful towards other sinners going to bring people to Christ? Making same sex marriages illegal isn't going to save anyone. They're still committing the sin. You've changed nothing. There is no victory. The victory is in changing hearts. Why can't some Christians get that?
 
Wake said:
I believe that's called changing the goalposts...?

All I'm saying is that it was mentioned in the NT.
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I'd encourage you to read the link I posted before you speak again.
 
Wake said:
Oh gosh, that link again. I read that link earlier and it is the text-book example of twisting scripture.
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Twisting a direct quote?

Or perhaps it's religion that's twisted scripture.

Ever consider that? 'Course not.
 
mac said:
You could at least give me credit for my words before you attempt to change them. I agree hate and fear go hand in hand, however, hate is every bit as natural to humans as fear. And it is human nature to hate.
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It's a good way to make you say what they want you to say, don't you think? :2razz: I've had my posts rewritten also.
 
Josie said:
Yes, I've been reading the Bible since I was 4. I've probably read it at least 12 times. I don't need to read someone's commentary on it.
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Perhaps you do, since it appears you might have been misinformed? Or is a new view point not okay?
 
Wake said:
Oh gosh, that link again. I read that link earlier and it is the text-book example of twisting scripture.
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It does come to some rather absurd conclusions....like "homosexuality" being a foreign concept to the writers of the New Testament....when it is clearly addressed in the Old Testament. The logic is just plain faulty.
 
Josie said:
I honestly don't understand why fellow Christians are against same sex marriage and other gay rights. The point of scripture is to change hearts, be good people and bring others to Christ. How is screaming about gay marriage going to change any hearts? How is being hateful towards other sinners going to bring people to Christ? Making same sex marriages illegal isn't going to save anyone. They're still committing the sin. You've changed nothing. There is no victory. The victory is in changing hearts. Why can't some Christians get that?
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I like you outlook. Sane, kind and compassionate.
 
Here's a snippet from tessa's article:

None of the four gospels mentions the subject. This means that, so far as we know, Jesus never spoke about homosexuality, and we simply have no way of determining what his attitude toward it might have been.
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Well, gosh. Jesus never mentioned child molestation either. I guess there's no way to know if He would be okay with that or not.
 
Josie said:
I honestly don't understand why fellow Christians are against same sex marriage and other gay rights. The point of scripture is to change hearts, be good people and bring others to Christ. How is screaming about gay marriage going to change any hearts? How is being hateful towards other sinners going to bring people to Christ? Making same sex marriages illegal isn't going to save anyone. They're still committing the sin. You've changed nothing. There is no victory. The victory is in changing hearts. Why can't some Christians get that?
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I suppose so, though if you believe in the demoralization of a country regarding Christianity, gay marriage imo is an example. The only reason I don't oppose gay marriage is because America is no theocracy.

I wish there were better ways for people to understand that it is sin.
 
Josie said:
I honestly don't understand why fellow Christians are against same sex marriage and other gay rights. The point of scripture is to change hearts, be good people and bring others to Christ. How is screaming about gay marriage going to change any hearts? How is being hateful towards other sinners going to bring people to Christ? Making same sex marriages illegal isn't going to save anyone. They're still committing the sin. You've changed nothing. There is no victory. The victory is in changing hearts. Why can't some Christians get that?
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Josie..being against gay marriage does not make anyone a bad christian or a bad person....
 
lpast said:
Josie..being against gay marriage does not make anyone a bad christian or a bad person....
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This is true as well.
 
Wake said:
I suppose so, though if you believe in the demoralization of a country regarding Christianity, gay marriage imo is an example. The only reason I don't oppose gay marriage is because America is no theocracy.

I wish there were better ways for people to understand that it is sin.
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The country is no more or less demoralized with it being legal or illegal. The legality of it isn't what makes it sinful.
 
lpast said:
Josie..being against gay marriage does not make anyone a bad christian or a bad person....
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Oh, I don't think it makes anyone a bad person. I think some people believe the country will suddenly become less sinful if it's made illegal across the board. That's just stupid.
 
Josie said:
The country is no more or less demoralized with it being legal or illegal. The legality of it isn't what makes it sinful.
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Yet when more and more support is given to things like this on homosexual matters, well...

...familiarity breeds consent.

The more our young ones are familiar with it, the more they will support it.

How will that help in bringing more souls to salvation?
 
Wake said:
Here's a hypothetical to chew on:

Let's say I've been invited to a highschool to talk about the sanctity of marriage. Let's also say that during the course of it I get snarky like Dan and start insulting homosexuals and homosexuality. Some kids start to file out. Let's say I call them "pansy-assed."

Is that alright?

Because I'm supposedly religious, suddenly my actions aren't kosher, yet Dan's are? If so that's a mess of hypocrisy imo.
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FIRST: Why is an openly religious speaker with a religious agenda speaking in a public high school?

SECOND: "pansy" is a common slur against gays so calling those who walk out of an anti-gay speech is just multiplying the hatred.

THIRD: Dan Savage has apologised for using the term "pansy-assed" - Would you?

Fourth: When you use the phrase "sanctity of marriage" you are whistling for the dogs, who understand what you are implying even if you did not go so far as to openly "start insulting homosexuals and homosexuality"
 
Josie said:
Here's a snippet from tessa's article:



Well, gosh. Jesus never mentioned child molestation either. I guess there's no way to know if He would be okay with that or not.
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Josie, I'm disappointed in the fact that you would use a strawman argument to dispute a well-constructed article simply because it disagrees with the spoon-fed religious doctrine we're all familiar with.

Here's another link for you:

Myths & Facts
 
Wake said:
Yet when more and more support is given to things like this on homosexual matters, well...

...familiarity breeds consent.

The more our young ones are familiar with it, the more they will support it.

How will that help in bringing more souls to salvation?
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Well, then why aren't Christians pushing for adultery, lying, coveting your neighbor's wife to be illegal?
 
Wake said:
This is true as well.
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Theres an attitude within the gay community and their supporters that if you are against ANYTHING they want...you get accused of being all kinds of things..and you get accused of hatefully trying to deny people their rights...Where is t here tolerance and where is there attempts to win hearts and minds?....and some need to realize that there are people that dont agree that marriage between two men is their right so they dont feel they are denying them anything.
 
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