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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

Wake said:
How would you define the Christian's 'persecution complex?'
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Complaining about being "bullied" as if it's in anyway equal in significance to the bullying and societal alienation that gay people go through.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Complaining about being "bullied" as if it's in anyway equal in significance to the bullying and societal alienation that gay people go through.
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What does the mean? Do we downplay Christian victims of bullying?

I will say that any bullying is wrong and not Christianly. For the record believing that homosexuality is a sin is not bullying; you didn't mention it, but I felt in general that point needed to be brought to the surface. I wonder if there is any numerical data on the different general groups of victims regarding bullying.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
If a journalist student can't handle criticism of the Bible, walks away from such criticism, they are a wimp and should not be a journalist.

Didn't I already say that? Yeah...I did.

Controversial subjects and speakers will be something they will face if they want to stay in that line of work, better they learn it now whether they can handle it.
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every person has a different tolerance level for **** they don't want to hear.... don't be so arrogant as to feel you are the judge of that level for anyone but yourself.

there were quite a few Christian kids there.. and they were told this was an anti-bullying lecture... that is what they expected, and that is NOT what was delivered.
what was delivered was an attack on their beliefs and their holy book.. an attack that you characterize as a "criticism".. even if it was jsut a criticism, criticism of their beliefs was not on the menu for that day.... anti-bullying was... not an attack on the bible.... anti-bullying..... not his insults of asshatery.... anti-bullying.

this speaker, supposedly an anti-bullying activist, then decided that Christians should just ignore the "bs in the bible" that he doesn't feel should be paid attention to... he goes from gay anti bullying activist to some sort of ecumenical authority throwing out mandates on which parts of the bible need be ignored.
these high school kids are just that, kids...he isn't speaking to adults who can fight back or debate him, they are just kids.... kids whose beliefs system he put down as bs..... it is not the place of the kids to decide what parts of the bible to ignore and what parts not to... generally speaking, those decision come from theologians and ecumenical authorities.
practically speaking, those kids probably don't know about the bible to the degree that Savage does.. and certainly not to the degree of many devout adults.... so they probably see the attack as an attack on the bible as a whole.. an attack on their belief system as a whole.
his underlying message may have been correct and his intent, noble..., but he is , for lack of a more fitting term.. and absolute asshole in his presentation.

this isn't the first time i've seen Savage.... he's the same everywhere he goes " accept me , love me for who i am.. or i will ****ing tear into your ass and call you names".. that's his style... and that is the idiocy of Savage.
some people like that... some people don't..
you will never find acceptance being being a supreme asshole... you defeat your own purpose and the purpose of all others who share that cause when you do so.
in any event, it matters not what Savage says.. he may spout wisdom for days and weeks, and sorry to say, I simply won't accept him ... not because he's gay, but because he's an asshole.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Complaining about being "bullied" as if it's in anyway equal in significance to the bullying and societal alienation that gay people go through.
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not sure how it is in school nowadays, but in my day.. Christians were bullied pretty hard... they were squares, virgins, good-two-shoes... and yeah, we bullied them when we were kids... they weren't cool.
I can't recall any gays being bullied, but that most likely because we never really knew who was gay and who wasn't... being openly gay wasn't something that happened in our schools back then.

I'd imagine that some of the christian kids.. the goody two shoes.. get bullied to this very day.
I think they are less likely to commit suicide though, as being a christian means you are never alone in the world, not as long as you have Jesus, as it goes.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Yes... because the news tends to tell us what happened.
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Exactly.

I assume you assume that it has and the media is a giant conspiracy that hates christians...

just a guess...

if you think that... that's pretty ****ing stupid...
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And here I thought you were pretty bright.....a better way to put it is, you're not going to hear about Christians being the brunt of riduclue because they are not the minority. Now, are you going to go on record saying that it is ok to bully so long as you belong to a "bullied" class?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
This is exactly what I see the people in the video walking out as. I see no significant distinction between walking out of a speech against racism and walking out of a speech against homophobic attitudes. It's the same thing with different targets.
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HE wasn't talking about "bullying" at that point. He was bashing religion and the religious. Those that disagreed got up and left....as you should do if you are being bullied. They didn't attack him, they didn't throw tomatoes....they got up and left....and he called them pansies as a result. Name calling...tsk..tsk...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Journalist students listening to criticism of the Bible should not cause them to leave the room, nor is it "bullying".
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He bashed their beleifs and called them pansies. That is bullying. And they were high school students, were they not?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Christian people hating gays because 'it's in the Bible' - or someone saying 'knock it off - stop using the Bible as a battering ram against people' - which one's more 'wrong' -

If it's ok for them to criticize and judge *with* the use of the Bible then what he did was also perfectly acceptable.

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I didn't say it was ok for anyone to do it, but are you trying to use the "well, they started it" defense?

I've been to church quite a lot in my life - if you think what he did was Bullying then you must also realize that a lot of what's being taught in Sundayschool and preached about from the pulpit is also a form of bullying.
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So have I...Catholic Church....never once has homosexuality ever been brought up in a homily that I can remember, for, against or indifferent.
 
mac said:
He bashed their beleifs and called them pansies. That is bullying. And they were high school students, were they not?
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That is not bullying. That's just being an asshole about it. Yes - that is being mean or rude. But NOT bullying.

We'll never get anywhere at all with the real issues of bullying if every single time Johnny calls Susie stupid for believing in Unicorns she gets him supended for 'bullying'

What has happened to my son at school - THAT was bullying. . .the occasional rant of one individual or name calling bout is NOT the same thing.

Please - put things into perspective - please try not to wrap every little thing: every little playground name, every little moment of an attitude problem, up with this much more serious and far bigger subject of true bullying. There is a huge difference and I feel that lately schools have lost their ability to even differentiate between the two.

Kids fights *sometimes* - sometimes kids do pick on eachother. *Sometimes* is normal: all the time and constantly with no end and no recourse = that is the problem.

They didn't like *what* he said or *how* he said it so they got up and left - good. . . that's their right and their ability.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
That is not bullying. That's just being an asshole about it. Yes - that is being mean or rude. But NOT bullying.
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Yes, it is bullying.

We'll never get anywhere at all with the real issues of bullying if every single time Johnny calls Susie stupid for believing in Unicorns she gets him supended for 'bullying'
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But if he calls her a dyke, he should?

What has happened to my son at school - THAT was bullying. . .the occasional rant of one individual or name calling bout is NOT the same thing.

Please - put things into perspective - please try not to wrap every little thing: every little playground name, every little moment of an attitude problem, up with this much more serious and far bigger subject of true bullying. There is a huge difference and I feel that lately schools have lost their ability to even differentiate between the two.

Kids fights *sometimes* - sometimes kids do pick on eachother. *Sometimes* is normal: all the time and constantly with no end and no recourse = that is the problem.

They didn't like *what* he said or *how* he said it so they got up and left - good. . . that's their right and their ability.
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When you disrespect another person using derogatory language...or violence....you are bullying.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well - looking at this reasonably, here - jokes aside.

There were two issues here.

One - using foul language in a public-speaking environment of any nature.

Two - criticizing a religion and citing it for creating the problem they're there to discuss and go against.

Using one to further two - it came across off-the-mark. But is that bullying? No - I don't consider something to be bullying if it doesn't involve some sort of perpetual, constant or physical confrontation.

This - was a rant . . . he made a point that could have been made more politely, at least - I honestly think no one would have walked out if he just chose a different tactic to bring up the topic.
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I agree but for your definition of bullying. I think as little as one incident, of sufficient emotional impact, can leave a person feeling bullied. His rant, by definition, was ongoing, meaning he wasn't letting up and if he were on an anti-gay rant rather than anti-Bible, it would feel like bullying to gay kids.

And Bingo! As far as the bolded. That is exactly what I think. There is a way to make an argument that allows the other party to have their dignity, while making points that can open a mind to change. Harsh, in-your-face tactics like Savage's, only serve to slam a person's mind shut.
 
Thrilla said:
not sure how it is in school nowadays, but in my day.. Christians were bullied pretty hard... they were squares, virgins, good-two-shoes... and yeah, we bullied them when we were kids... they weren't cool.
I can't recall any gays being bullied, but that most likely because we never really knew who was gay and who wasn't... being openly gay wasn't something that happened in our schools back then.

I'd imagine that some of the christian kids.. the goody two shoes.. get bullied to this very day.
I think they are less likely to commit suicide though, as being a christian means you are never alone in the world, not as long as you have Jesus, as it goes.
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I honestly cannot remember one instance of someone being bullied because they are Christian when I went to school. Being a virgin yes, a "goody two shoes" yes but not because they were Christian. Im not saying it never happened I just never saw it happen. However I saw gay people get bullied many times while in high school especially on the day of silence. So in my experience gay people do tend to get bullied more often then Christians and many times they dont have the support group to lean on.

BTW im not trying to say its ok to bully Christians for being Christian. All bullying is wrong for whatever reason. The only point I was trying to make is that gay people do tend to get bullied more often then other groups.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Seperation of church and state...
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So you can't utter anything pro-religion in public schools, but you can trash them anytime you want... Sounds fair, and very tolerant.

this guys wasnt state sponsored...
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Sorry, but public schools are government funded entities, therefore if you are invited to speak, you are state approved.

and the state needs to fire at radical christians with rubber bullets...
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More of that tollerance I've heard so much about.

thatd be awesome.
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I'm sure you would just love it.
 
Omgitsme said:
I honestly cannot remember one instance of someone being bullied because they are Christian when I went to school. Being a virgin yes, a "goody two shoes" yes but not because they were Christian. Im not saying it never happened I just never saw it happen. However I saw gay people get bullied many times while in high school especially on the day of silence. So in my experience gay people do tend to get bullied more often then Christians and many times they dont have the support group to lean on.

BTW im not trying to say its ok to bully Christians for being Christian. All bullying is wrong for whatever reason. The only point I was trying to make is that gay people do tend to get bullied more often then other groups.
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Yes - if people are picked on b/c of their religion people wil lstand up for 'their right to have their religious beliefs'

Gays get no such constitutional-rights defense in which most people who don't even approve of their lifestyle will still defend their right to live it.

But I got picked on all the time when I was a kid - we were weirdos who wore dresses and didn't drive cars when I was in school.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
It actually does. He's pointing out, simplistically I admit, the persecution complex of some Christians.
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many or most... if they feel so persecuted let them immolate themselves in front of the whitehouse in washington...

they never will... because they're not actually particularly good Christians... or particularly persecuted...

persecuting others... that's what they're best at... too bad they don't commit mass suicide or anything.
 
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MKULTRABOY said:
many or most... if they feel so persecuted let them immolate themselves in front of the whitehouse in washington...

they never will... because they're not actually particularly good Christians... or particularly persecuted...

persecuting others... that's what they're best at... too bad they don't commit mass suicide or anything.
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You're saying all Christians should kill themselves? You're sounding completely unhinged, not that I find that particularly surprising.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
many or most... if they feel so persecuted let them immolate themselves in front of the whitehouse in washington...

they never will... because they're not actually particularly good Christians... or particularly persecuted...
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self immolation, the new metric for determining how good of a Christian a person is.. or whether or not a person is persecuted.

mmmmmk.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
many or most... if they feel so persecuted let them immolate themselves in front of the whitehouse in washington...

they never will... because they're not actually particularly good Christians... or particularly persecuted...

persecuting others... that's what they're best at... too bad they don't commit mass suicide or anything.
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So a good Christian should kill themselves? Never thought I would see that from a fellow Brony. That's just immoral to say on so many levels.
 
Thrilla said:
self immolation, the new metric for determining how good of a Christian a person is.. or whether or not a person is persecuted.

mmmmmk.
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when a 13 year old suicide bombs in israel... it's not cause theyre persecuted its because theyre a bad person.

and when a monk immolates himself in front of a government building of his US occupied government he is equally as faithful as a person that picks and chooses their own verses from the bible and doesnt even live according to them

You're saying all Christians should kill themselves? You're sounding completely unhinged, not that I find that particularly surprising.
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no, probably just evangelicals...
they suck.

i don't see what your problem is... at least I'm informed about hate speech I make.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yes - if people are picked on b/c of their religion people wil lstand up for 'their right to have their religious beliefs'

Gays get no such constitutional-rights defense in which most people who don't even approve of their lifestyle will still defend their right to live it.

But I got picked on all the time when I was a kid - we were weirdos who wore dresses and didn't drive cars when I was in school.
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But these kids did not fall into that category. They came with there teacher. Everything was innocent until the "instructor" started his religious rant. The kids left, I believe their teacher stayed for the finish.

The guy was out line.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
i don't see what your problem is... at least I'm informed about hate speech I make.
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Which is in pretty nearly every single thing you post lately. Your constant trolling is tiresome. Try contributing something every once in awhile.
 
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MKULTRABOY said:
many or most... if they feel so persecuted let them immolate themselves in front of the whitehouse in washington...

they never will... because they're not actually particularly good Christians... or particularly persecuted...

persecuting others... that's what they're best at... too bad they don't commit mass suicide or anything.
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Hey how about we drag these school kids to an arena, lock them in and turn some lions loose on them? Would that satisfiy you for all the hateful things you've imagined they've done to you personally?
 
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MKULTRABOY said:
when a 13 year old suicide bombs in israel... it's not cause theyre persecuted its because theyre a bad person.

and when a monk immolates himself in front of a government building of his US occupied government he is equally as faithful as a person that picks and chooses their own verses from the bible and doesnt even live according to them



no, probably just evangelicals...
they suck.

i don't see what your problem is... at least I'm informed about hate speech I make.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to give you the idea that I cared about the rationale for your idiocy... I don't.. and I don't wish to discuss it either.
 
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