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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

Gimmesometruth said:
What a total cave, you just lost a lot of respect.

You have nothing to stand on when and if someone in the future puts you down because of their "christian" beliefs.
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Hey its YOU that have no respect...and who the F are you to berate anyone that has the fortitude and decency to admit when they are wrong...its morons like you that make things worse for everyone....you should try ADMITTING when your wrong but me doubts you have the testicles to ever do that
 
Hatuey said:
The point is not to change minds. I could honestly care less whether Christians like gays or not. The point is: EQUALITY. The point of the civil rights movement wasn't to make racists change their minds, it was to be legally recognized the same as everyone else.
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Right....
Then good luck with that en devour.
Seeing that the majority people of this nation, are primarily Christian.

You want people to sympathize with your equality argument?
You try to get on their good side.
That way lobby efforts for legal equality, can actually be successful.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
What a total cave, you just lost a lot of respect.

You have nothing to stand on when and if someone in the future puts you down because of their "christian" beliefs.
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Bull****. She gained a lot of respect for being willing to admit she has personal feelings that might cloud her judgment (as we all do). This makes me a lot more likely to listen to and consider her point of view.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
What a total cave, you just lost a lot of respect.

You have nothing to stand on when and if someone in the future puts you down because of their "christian" beliefs.
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On the contrary, she has gained respect. She's willing to admit when she might be wrong.
 
lpast said:
Nope wrong...had nothing to do with the speaker speaking his mind about what he believed....had EVERYTHING to do about the confrontational sarcastic insulting way he was doing it.....can you possibly grasp that and try to be honest...that the clown was wrong...and that NO ONE has to listen or take his snotty chit...sheesh
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I see, this is YOUR "civil" manner, your non-confrontational manner, in explaining your position?

THE IRONY!!!

Any so called "christian" that can't have his beliefs questioned, especially when those beliefs cause the persecution, is a *****.
 
X Factor said:
Bull****. She gained a lot of respect for being willing to admit she has personal feelings that might cloud her judgment (as we all do). This makes me a lot more likely to listen to and consider her point of view.
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She gained alot of respect from me...and showed me a side Ive never seen before.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
If a "christian" is a hypocrite, you should not say they are?
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What is the goal of the speech?
To berate Christians or to get more Christians to accept homosexuality?

If it's the latter, you don't beat them up.
The attacks against them were broad, some personal and generally non constructive.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I see, this is YOUR "civil" manner, your non-confrontational manner, in explaining your position?

THE IRONY!!!

Any so called "christian" that can't have his beliefs questioned, especially when those beliefs cause the persecution, is a *****.
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Dude I have no desire to be civil with you other than I have to be at this point...go choke on dog bone ...I find you useless
 
Josie said:
On the contrary, she has gained respect. She's willing to admit when she might be wrong.
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She is wrong for caving to your weak, non-points.

Again, when she is criticized in the future by "christian's" for her lifestyle, she will have nothing to say...at all.

But then that is what you want.
 
Your Star said:
You know what, your probably right, I've been in the wrong in this thread. I just get mad when people who are actively oppressing me for my sexuality get mad at something like this. Like they are equatable, and it clouded my judgement. What the guy said was wrong, I don't even like the guy, and it was okay for the kids to walk out, even though I wouldn't have done such a thing myself. If anyone is at fault here it is the school for not asking for a transcript of what he was going to say.
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That's actually very mature of you. Color me impressed. :peace
 
lpast said:
Dude I have no desire to be civil with you other than I have to be at this point...go choke on dog bone ...I find you useless
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The "christian" speaks.

Well done, you proved my point.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
She is wrong for caving to your weak, non-points.

Again, when she is criticized in the future by "christian's" for her lifestyle, she will have nothing to say...at all.

But then that is what you want.
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I think you're more than a bit kooky, my dear.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
What is the goal of the speech?
To berate Christians or to get more Christians to accept homosexuality?

If it's the latter, you don't beat them up.
The attacks against them were broad, some personal and generally non constructive.
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Unfortunately, like the rest of your brethren, you are so aghast by the "attack" that it has confounded your ability to process the message.

Hint: The message was "if you are a "christian" and still condemn homosexuality, you are a hypocrite."
 
Thunder said:
hardcore

offensive

in your face


...but absolutely correct.

the Hypocrisy of those who want to live by the Bible when it comes to homosexuality but ignore 99% of all the other rules & regulations, is breathtaking.
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How does it further the conversation when one is offensive? No significant strides in changing minds or gaining acceptance were ever made with this tactic. Frankly, similar to Michael Moore, I think he does those who would stand with him in the fight for gay rights, a disservice. Instead of having a dialog, we have to discuss this.

I don't think the answer to bullying, is more bullying. It's wrong period. No matter who does it and for how good a reason it might be. No one's mind will be changed when they are attacked and ridiculed.

I haven't read past this point. Maybe someone else said this already or maybe it's a shaky argument. I cannot think of anything that would harden my resolve in my position more than someone insulting my values, though, to be clear, I am a supporter of gay rights.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The "christian" speaks.

Well done, you proved my point.
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Your the kind of homosexual that makes it tough on other gays and makes straight people turn their backs on you....one day when you grow up...you will learn that many people wont take your silly chit.....
You can trust one thing gnat...YOU have lost all respect on this forum and Your Stars has grown in leaps and bounds....now this is the last response you will ever get from me...piss off
 
Josie said:
I think you're more than a bit kooky, my dear.
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And I think that when you are presented with with a simple conflict, you resort to personal insults...because you have nothing to stand on, you have no point.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Right....
Then good luck with that en devour.
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Thanks.

Seeing that the majority people of this nation, are primarily Christian.
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So? What?

You want people to sympathize with your equality argument?
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I couldn't care less if they do.

You try to get on their good side.
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Lol, nonsense at its best. You don't beg for rights. You take them and **** what the rest think.

That way lobby efforts for legal equality, can actually be successful.
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?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Unfortunately, like the rest of your brethren, you are so aghast by the "attack" that it has confounded your ability to process the message.

Hint: The message was "if you are a "christian" and still condemn homosexuality, you are a hypocrite."
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Yes, because attacking people, who may or may not believe that stuff, is not constructive.
Nor is it appropriate for high school students.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yea, the best way to stop bullying against gays is to attack the beliefs of all Christians and by calling them names.
I see this as building bridges and changing minds..... :doh
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He didn't attack the beliefs of all Christians. He attacked the beliefs of some Christians and there's nothing wrong with that. You attack the beliefs that make bullies bully. I doubt you would have a problem with him attack white supremacist beliefs or beliefs that being small in stature is a sign weakness that should be exploited. This is the same thing except that some people think that irrational beliefs held by Christians should be immune.
 
lpast said:
Your the kind of homosexual that makes it tough on other gays and makes straight people turn their backs on you....one day when you grow up...you will learn that many people wont take your silly chit.....
You can trust one thing gnat...YOU have lost all respect on this forum and Your Stars has grown in leaps and bounds....now this is the last response you will ever get from me...piss off
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I am not gay. And if I was it would make no difference, you keep proving that when it comes to debating this topic, you can't deal with it.

Again, if you are a "christian" and condemn homosexuality, you are a hypocrite.
 
Gina said:
How does it further the conversation when one is offensive? No significant strides in changing minds or gaining acceptance were ever made with this tactic. Frankly, similar to Michael Moore, I think he does those who would stand with him in the fight for gay rights, a disservice. Instead of having a dialog, we have to discuss this.

I don't think the answer to bullying, is more bullying. It's wrong period. No matter who does it and for how good a reason it might be. No one's mind will be changed when they are attacked and ridiculed.

I haven't read past this point. Maybe someone else said this already or maybe it's a shaky argument. I cannot think of anything that would harden my resolve in my position more than someone insulting my values, though, to be clear, I am a supporter of gay rights.
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Great post, Gina. You and I have talked about this, before. No matter what you believe, attacking people and putting them on the defensive only makes them dig in more. Many of the attitudes that have changed in me have done so because people like you, and others, were willing to hear me out first.
 
Hatuey said:
Christians who use their religion to deny gays the same legal recognition as everyone else get offended when they're told their beliefs are nothing more than bull****. Christian Victim Complex at its best.
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Yeah, it reminds me of when white supremacists get offended when people point out the irrationality of their beliefs. I don't think Savage should call anyone names, but his comments about people's illogical picking and choosing when it comes to the Bible were spot on.
 
Hatuey said:
Thanks.



So? What?



I couldn't care less if they do.



Lol, nonsense at its best. You don't beg for rights. You take them and **** what the rest think.



?
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Pointedly, you want legal equality, you have to gain the acceptance of a lot of people.
Pissing all over their beliefs, is not one way to get that.

You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar.
 
Josie said:
Yes, that's exactly what I just said.
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No, you said he "implied" something. Implication and inference are two different things. You inferred something meaning you have no idea if he implied what you inferred. Got it yet?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yes, because attacking people, who may or may not believe that stuff, is not constructive.
Nor is it appropriate for high school students.
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Again, you keep missing it, the attack is upon the message first and foremost. Second, the attack on the person comes when they refuse to see the irrationality of holding to their view.

Those kids are old enough to be challenged on their views since they are capable of acting out with those views.
 
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