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American Professors in Tehran for Occupy Wall Street Conference

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See, it's crap like this that I think makes a case for tenure reform. No college should have to be unwillingly tied to the Iranian Theothugracy just because one of their professors happens to be an absolute dripping moron.
 
See, it's crap like this that I think makes a case for tenure reform. No college should have to be unwillingly tied to the Iranian Theothugracy just because one of their professors happens to be an absolute dripping moron.


I totally agree with you cpwill!

The mind simply boggles at the moronic actions of these so called professors, with a Master in imbecility, it seems! :roll:
 
This is a news report from Iran Press TV a propoganda arm of the Iranian government.

The fruitcakes interviewed on Press TV include Alex Vitae of Brooklyn College, Heather Gautney of Fordham University, and John Hammond of City University of New York.

Have a Peek-a-boo at the geniuses :roll:

American Professors Gather in Tehran for Occupy Wall Street Conference | The Weekly Standard

Heather Gautney is Assistant Professor of Sociology at Fordham University, Lincoln Center. She has authored books and articles on politics and a variety of social movements, including Occupy Wall Street, the Alternative Globalization Movement, the Anti-Iraq War Movement, and the World Social Forum. Current research projects include (1) Occupy Wall Street, and (2) current economic trends in the film industry and their implications for the future of labor market regulation in entertainment and beyond. Dr. Gautney is a member of the Social Text collective (see Social Text) and the Advisory Board of the Center for Place, Culture, and Politics at the CUNY Graduate Center (see The Center for Place, Culture, and Politics). For a review of Dr. Gautney's current research, click here.

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Alex S. Vitale Department of Sociology Brooklyn College Education 2001: Ph.D. Sociology, CUNY Graduate Center, New York, NY 1989: BA, Anthropology and Urban Studies, Hampshire College, Amherst, MA

2007 PSC CUNY Grant: Neoliberalism and the Emergence of New Social Control Practices in Global Cities
2004 New York Civil Liberties Union: Protecting Protest Project
2002 Brooklyn College Unsponsored Research Grant: Evaluating the Community Justice Model
2001 PSC CUNY Grant: Evaluating the Community Justice Model
Books City of Disorder: How the Quality of Life Campaign Transformed New York Politics. New York: New York University Press. 2008 Gaston Donate, Corey Robin, Roberta Satow, and Alex Vitale eds. People, Power, and Politics. New York: Pearson. 2002.

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Dude has written a few dozen articles. Now, where is your resume?
 
Dude has written a few dozen articles. Now, where is your resume?

cpwill is smart enough not to become a propaganda tool for an Iranian regime that murders and tortures it's citizenry, denies the holocaust, and believes that kicking off a world-war is an imperative from God.


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cpwill is smart enough not to become a propaganda tool for an Iranian regime that murders and tortures it's citizenry, denies the holocaust, and believes that kicking off a world-war is an imperative from God.


[/victorycpwill]


Exactly! :thumbs:
 
See, it's crap like this that I think makes a case for tenure reform. No college should have to be unwillingly tied to the Iranian Theothugracy just because one of their professors happens to be an absolute dripping moron.

I totally agree with you cpwill!

The mind simply boggles at the moronic actions of these so called professors, with a Master in imbecility, it seems! :roll:

I think this is a non news item and therefore a waste of bandwidth, however, tenure reform? I suggest you rethink your position. To do so would be an attempt to attenuate the US Constitution, namely free speech provision. These universities, therefore, cannot do what you and Mya suggest. Of course as we all know that of repression and fascism are two sides of the same coin.
 
Tenure Reform =/= a violation of the First Amendment. No one is saying these idiots can't do this, I am saying that colleges have a right not to have their name drug into it.


Fascism :roll: what utter poppycock.
 
Tenure Reform =/= a violation of the First Amendment. No one is saying these idiots can't do this, I am saying that colleges have a right not to have their name drug into it.


Fascism :roll: what utter poppycock.

Sure you are. You want to punish or deprive people for fostering an ideal. An ideal, which again I do not support in practice, but, the expression of which is necessary to enjoy the freedoms we all have especially in an academic setting.
 
I think this is a non news item and therefore a waste of bandwidth, however, tenure reform? I suggest you rethink your position. To do so would be an attempt to attenuate the US Constitution, namely free speech provision.

Really? A university revisiting its policy on tenure violates the First Amendment?

Not even the wildest reading of the Fourteenth Amendment would bear that out.
 
Sure you are. You want to punish or deprive people for fostering an ideal.

Not at all. If the college is fine with this, then there is no problem. However I would rather strongly suspect that this kind of connection with real fascists (in their own way) is not exactly the sort of thing that most would want their names publicly associated with.

A way to perhaps make this question more basic. You own a small business. One of your employees shows up wearing a Confederate Flag shirt. You explain to him that this is offensive to his black co-workers, and he needs to not wear it again. He angrily denounces you for fascism, explaining that you are stripping him of his First Amendment rights. The next day he shows up wearing a jacket on which he has sewn in large letters "KILL ALL N*****S". The employee refuses to remove the jacket, and in fact insists on explaining loudly in public places how black people are more like animals than humans, and have polluted the bloodstreams of the country.

At what point do you become a fascist and take away his first amendment rights by giving him the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere?

An ideal, which again I do not support in practice, but, the expression of which is necessary to enjoy the freedoms we all have especially in an academic setting.

:lol: you do not need tenure to protect your theory on heliocentrism from the Pope anymore, Connery :)
 
Really? A university revisiting its policy on tenure violates the First Amendment?

Not even the wildest reading of the Fourteenth Amendment would bear that out.

Not at all. If the college is fine with this, then there is no problem. However I would rather strongly suspect that this kind of connection with real fascists (in their own way) is not exactly the sort of thing that most would want their names publicly associated with.

A way to perhaps make this question more basic. You own a small business. One of your employees shows up wearing a Confederate Flag shirt. You explain to him that this is offensive to his black co-workers, and he needs to not wear it again. He angrily denounces you for fascism, explaining that you are stripping him of his First Amendment rights. The next day he shows up wearing a jacket on which he has sewn in large letters "KILL ALL N*****S". The employee refuses to remove the jacket, and in fact insists on explaining loudly in public places how black people are more like animals than humans, and have polluted the bloodstreams of the country.

At what point do you become a fascist and take away his first amendment rights by giving him the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere?



:lol: you do not need tenure to protect your theory on heliocentrism from the Pope anymore, Connery :)


Sorry guys, you want to expand the issue and I am sticking with Mya and CPwill's original idea. In other words as presented it is preposterous.
 
Sorry guys, you want to expand the issue and I am sticking with Mya and CPwill's original idea. In other words as presented it is preposterous.

How did I "expand" anything? Mya or cpwill didn't say a word about getting any government involved; it's you who sought to make it a First Amendment issue. I responded to exactly what you said.
 
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cpwill is smart enough not to become a propaganda tool for an Iranian regime that murders and tortures it's citizenry, denies the holocaust, and believes that kicking off a world-war is an imperative from God.

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Is... that what you think these people did? Somebody is thick with the vitriolic rhetoric today.
 
Is... that what you think these people did?

It is what they did. I'm sure they thought they were being some kind of cutting edge free-thinkers.
 
It is what they did. I'm sure they thought they were being some kind of cutting edge free-thinkers.

Sure - your opinion - :shrug:
 
Is... that what you think these people did? Somebody is thick with the vitriolic rhetoric today.


For some it may be "vitriolic rhetoric".

For others is the truth. Plain and simple.
 
And don't forget, right about the time President Bush Jr was on the television calling for a war with Iran...........

This was taking place:


"The introduction of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at Columbia University. 9/24/07"

Seemed pretty silly to me, "kill him and bomb his nation", but only after he finishes speaking to the kids naturally.
 
....why are they in Tehran for an OWS movement meeting?
 
And don't forget, right about the time President Bush Jr was on the television calling for a war with Iran...........

:roll: When did he do this?

This was taking place:


"The introduction of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at Columbia University. 9/24/07"

Seemed pretty silly to me, "kill him and bomb his nation", but only after he finishes speaking to the kids naturally.


You make it sound as though Bush had anything to do with this speech. It was something Columbia did entirely on its own and it was roundly, heavily criticized for it. And it did not repeat.
 
How did I "expand" anything? Mya or cpwill didn't say a word about getting any government involved; it's you who sought to make it a First Amendment issue. I responded to exactly what you said.

Pickering v. Board of Education, 391 U.S. 563 (1968), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the teacher had a right to speak on issues of public importance without being dismissed from his position.

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....why are they in Tehran for an OWS movement meeting?

Because Tehran (like most anti-Western autocracies) has to constantly try to convince it's people that the American government and American society are awful, and hateful, and violent, and eat their poor, etc (You laugh? It's been claimed.). So they find Useful Idiots willing to come over and receive Potemkin tours, who utilize the prestige of their position, the name of their organization, and their status to give false credence to them in their "news" broadcasts.

:shrug: it's a propaganda campaign.
 
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Pickering v. Board of Education, 391 U.S. 563 (1968), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the teacher had a right to speak on issues of public importance without being dismissed from his position.

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That's not exactly what they held, and besides, the case is easily distinguished, as we're talking about changing tenure policy at the university level, and that this would include private universities as well, not just public employment.
 
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