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Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

Im sure different people feel differently and I certainly wouldnt tell you that you are wrong. I agree there shouldnt have been trespassing as I already posted I just feel its an overrating because 911 wanst called when he knew the cops were right outside and the possible threat wasnt actually in the house.
Now my opinion is based just off of what I have read, there are factors that could change it.
Sure, people are more than welcome to opinions on the actions taken that night. I personally wouldn't have trusted that the police could cover the distance quickly enough had the trespasser decided to escalate, my first response would be to attempt to get him to surrender but realistically that can escalate a situation as well. It is a personal decision to make, fully agree on that.
 
Sure, people are more than welcome to opinions on the actions taken that night. I personally wouldn't have trusted that the police could cover the distance quickly enough had the trespasser decided to escalate, my first response would be to attempt to get him to surrender but realistically that can escalate a situation as well. It is a personal decision to make, fully agree on that.

I agree it definitely is a personal decesion but am I missing something?

Wasnt the kid in the porch?
That means the guy had to unlock a door a go looking for him?
WHy do you feel the police that are a couple hundered feet away in a car couldnt get there and handle it for you?
ANd of course you just hold the gun on the door they would have to break down to gain entry to your house if thats what they wanted.

Was this not the case?

Because I would most certainly take away my opinion that he overreacted if the person was already in the house, the hell with the cops, I only call them to get the body out but that wasnt the case.
 
I agree it definitely is a personal decesion but am I missing something?

Wasnt the kid in the porch?
That means the guy had to unlock a door a go looking for him?
WHy do you feel the police that are a couple hundered feet away in a car couldnt get there and handle it for you?
ANd of course you just hold the gun on the door they would have to break down to gain entry to your house if thats what they wanted.

Was this not the case?

Because I would most certainly take away my opinion that he overreacted if the person was already in the house, the hell with the cops, I only call them to get the body out but that wasnt the case.
Nah, you're not missing anything. Here in La. your property self defense depends on two things 1) Aggression of the perpetrator and 2) Being able to prove such to a jury so I would actually from a legal defense standpoint be required to stay in the house, though that is not my primary instinct. With this scenario it's a subjective call, personally I think when the house is full of family you meet the aggressor when possible to limit any access to the doors and windows, less chance of your own getting caught in the fray. As well when the police respond to an intruder call they could well mistake you for the aggressor, I would rather they see me engaged and holding than just seeing me with firearm brandished. Again it's all about what the person who feels threatened sees it, I am more fight than flight, and don't like the thought of this suspect having such a short distance to cover with little knowledge of his intent and ability to break and enter.
 
Nah, you're not missing anything. Here in La. your property self defense depends on two things 1) Aggression of the perpetrator and 2) Being able to prove such to a jury so I would actually from a legal defense standpoint be required to stay in the house, though that is not my primary instinct. With this scenario it's a subjective call, personally I think when the house is full of family you meet the aggressor when possible to limit any access to the doors and windows, less chance of your own getting caught in the fray. As well when the police respond to an intruder call they could well mistake you for the aggressor, I would rather they see me engaged and holding than just seeing me with firearm brandished. Again it's all about what the person who feels threatened sees it, I am more fight than flight, and don't like the thought of this suspect having such a short distance to cover with little knowledge of his intent and ability to break and enter.

we just disagree in this case because I think he created MORE chance for family to be caught in the fray because without calling the police and opening a locked door giving possible easy access to the house/family and rushing into the dark against a foe unknown, if he win its much worse than keeping the family away, aiming at the door and waiting for the police 100s of feet away.

ALso I think you are also being dramatic, not sure what type of house you live in and doors you have and Im more fight than flight to for sure but unless for some reason you think its EASY to gain access through a main door I dont go lookin.

Now if its not a real door or all glass then maybe I do.

but i do agree with you 100% when you said "Again it's all about what the person who feels threatened sees it" Im probably biased because I do have a enclosed porch and Im basing my assessment on that. If somebody is out there they are not getting in my house easy at all, theres a locked screen/glass door and a solid thick wood door after that. In my case id never go out there if the police are 100s of feet away but like I said thats just me and my house.

This guy might have had one of those doors you could punch though if you wanted lol
 
we just disagree in this case because I think he created MORE chance for family to be caught in the fray because without calling the police and opening a locked door giving possible easy access to the house/family and rushing into the dark against a foe unknown, if he win its much worse than keeping the family away, aiming at the door and waiting for the police 100s of feet away.
Could be, I see it as none of us know exactly what the guy who shot was going through. There are people who pull to scare, stupid move that will get you killed, my dad taught me about firearms from a young age, first rule is once the gun comes out be ready to use it, which may mean taking a life and all of it's consequences. If someone is only looking to use the gun as a scare tactic then yes, every single member of their family is at risk the minute that porch door opens.

ALso I think you are also being dramatic, not sure what type of house you live in and doors you have and Im more fight than flight to for sure but unless for some reason you think its EASY to gain access through a main door I dont go lookin.

Now if its not a real door or all glass then maybe I do.
That's basically where I'm at in bold. In the deep south we tend to have paned glass doors in our homes, if someone is willing to punch through it's nothing to get to a deadbolt and lock, from my perspective I personally couldn't take the chance.
but i do agree with you 100% when you said "Again it's all about what the person who feels threatened sees it" Im probably biased because I do have a enclosed porch and Im basing my assessment on that. If somebody is out there they are not getting in my house easy at all, theres a locked screen/glass door and a solid thick wood door after that. In my case id never go out there if the police are 100s of feet away but like I said thats just me and my house.
You are relatively secure, in that instance I would take the chance on the police, but trust me I'd still be armed.
This guy might have had one of those doors you could punch though if you wanted lol
That's my thinking. In fact a lot of houses have a less reinforced back yard from what I understand, this well could have been the case.
 
Could be, I see it as none of us know exactly what the guy who shot was going through. There are people who pull to scare, stupid move that will get you killed, my dad taught me about firearms from a young age, first rule is once the gun comes out be ready to use it, which may mean taking a life and all of it's consequences. If someone is only looking to use the gun as a scare tactic then yes, every single member of their family is at risk the minute that porch door opens.

That's basically where I'm at in bold. In the deep south we tend to have paned glass doors in our homes, if someone is willing to punch through it's nothing to get to a deadbolt and lock, from my perspective I personally couldn't take the chance.
You are relatively secure, in that instance I would take the chance on the police, but trust me I'd still be armed.
That's my thinking. In fact a lot of houses have a less reinforced back yard from what I understand, this well could have been the case.

well we definitely agree on that, that is not a question for me either.

I have a CWP and a couple guns in the house and they would be out.
 
well we definitely agree on that, that is not a question for me either.

I have a CWP and a couple guns in the house and they would be out.
It's like I always tell people. Everyone always wants to "teach" survival but it's a patently obvious situation, it is you or the other person and if you can remain calm most of the time it will favor you.
 
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No. You do not know what the definition of genocide is. I will not discuss genocide with you until you figure it out. For the record I continued with my insuiations of your sexuality because either A) you were using it in an endearing way or B) you were calling me a baby about something. You never explained yourself so I went with it, assuming eventually you would give an explanation or just continue to insult me back because that's your style. You feed off of unnecessary conflict. You would think someone with The Maxx as there avatar would be more awesome but you proved me wrong. I am disappointed.
 
No. You do not know what the definition of genocide is. I will not discuss genocide with you until you figure it out. For the record I continued with my insuiations of your sexuality because either A) you were using it in an endearing way or B) you were calling me a baby about something. You never explained yourself so I went with it, assuming eventually you would give an explanation or just continue to insult me back because that's your style. You feed off of unnecessary conflict. You would think someone with The Maxx as there avatar would be more awesome but you proved me wrong. I am disappointed.
Really? Someone uses the term 'baby' in a familiar tone and you take that as a come-on? Really now John...thats just...I dont know...sad is the best word I can come up with. Actually, I think you DO know exactly what 'I' meant when using it (unless you lead a horribly sheltered existence) and instead attempted to 'insult' me by taking a sad little swipe at my manhood. Funny how frequently people think the best way to insult a man is to imply he is gay. What DOES that say about...oh..I dont know...YOU, John?

As for our disagreement about the term 'genocide'...you stick with yours, and I will stick with the daily slaughter of black men, 8 a day on average (not counting the ones 'merely' wounded). You stick to your pretense of care that occasionally a young black person dies in incidents that may or may not be criminal, and I will continue to point out the number that are dying daily and completely ignored. Caring, John...either you care about the people dying...or about some pretense of a cause. Its rather obvious where you land.
 
Really? Someone uses the term 'baby' in a familiar tone and you take that as a come-on? Really now John...thats just...I dont know...sad is the best word I can come up with. Actually, I think you DO know exactly what 'I' meant when using it (unless you lead a horribly sheltered existence) and instead attempted to 'insult' me by taking a sad little swipe at my manhood. Funny how frequently people think the best way to insult a man is to imply he is gay. What DOES that say about...oh..I dont know...YOU, John?

As for our disagreement about the term 'genocide'...you stick with yours, and I will stick with the daily slaughter of black men, 8 a day on average (not counting the ones 'merely' wounded). You stick to your pretense of care that occasionally a young black person dies in incidents that may or may not be criminal, and I will continue to point out the number that are dying daily and completely ignored. Caring, John...either you care about the people dying...or about some pretense of a cause. Its rather obvious where you land.

I am done with this back and forth. You cannot make up definitions to words simply to serve your purpose. Furthermore, by your reaction you seem like you didn't even read my original posts. I simply said I was indifferent on the matter. If it were dark, the guy probably didn't even see who he was shooting. The title of the thread is as such because it has to be going by forum rules, and it was just much easier to copy and paste the title from the original article.

Your explanation for your totally inappropriate comment is an insult, then fine. When I originally found the story, I found it along another story I posted a thread about I just felt it would make an interesting topic. As I said before a few pages up I find it more interesting no one posted on the other thread I posted, which has since been posted in.
 
Can we agree the OP source in this thread is a bit biased? Try this source which takes information directly from the police report.

No charges filed against homeowner accused of shooting Bo Morrison | FOX6Now.com

When this incident happened people claimed it was a race thing. It was dark, Bo was wearing dark clothes, he was somewhere he has absolutely no right to be. The "Porch" everyone is so concerned about has to be entered via 2 exterior doors.

Just yesterday I noticed that in the 6 months since Wisconsin passed concealed carry the state has issued 100,000 permits. Guns are a big deal here. So is the right to protect yourself and your home. If someone enters my home at 2am without an invitation I do not think they should have any expectation of safety.
 
Can we agree the OP source in this thread is a bit biased? Try this source which takes information directly from the police report.

No charges filed against homeowner accused of shooting Bo Morrison | FOX6Now.com

When this incident happened people claimed it was a race thing. It was dark, Bo was wearing dark clothes, he was somewhere he has absolutely no right to be. The "Porch" everyone is so concerned about has to be entered via 2 exterior doors.

Just yesterday I noticed that in the 6 months since Wisconsin passed concealed carry the state has issued 100,000 permits. Guns are a big deal here. So is the right to protect yourself and your home. If someone enters my home at 2am without an invitation I do not think they should have any expectation of safety.

Thank you for the secondary source.
 
Can we agree the OP source in this thread is a bit biased? Try this source which takes information directly from the police report.

No charges filed against homeowner accused of shooting Bo Morrison | FOX6Now.com

When this incident happened people claimed it was a race thing. It was dark, Bo was wearing dark clothes, he was somewhere he has absolutely no right to be. The "Porch" everyone is so concerned about has to be entered via 2 exterior doors.

Just yesterday I noticed that in the 6 months since Wisconsin passed concealed carry the state has issued 100,000 permits. Guns are a big deal here. So is the right to protect yourself and your home. If someone enters my home at 2am without an invitation I do not think they should have any expectation of safety.
My point exactly TG. If you tresspass upon someone's property they will defend at all costs, you are taking your safety literally for granted by doing so.
 
My point exactly TG. If you tresspass upon someone's property they will defend at all costs, you are taking your safety literally for granted by doing so.

Granted, I am guilty of trespass onto posted property from my teenage days when we were partying outdoors. I recall my first few times thinking "uh, hey! we shouldn't be here."

What I never did was enter someones house, much less while hiding from the police.
 
Granted, I am guilty of trespass onto posted property from my teenage days when we were partying outdoors. I recall my first few times thinking "uh, hey! we shouldn't be here."

What I never did was enter someones house, much less while hiding from the police.
I think the homeowner may have been a little hasty in pulling the trigger, however I wasn't there and quite possibly would have done the same thing given similar circumstances. If it's my family's safety or that of an unknown it will be my family, end of story.
 
I think the homeowner may have been a little hasty in pulling the trigger, however I wasn't there and quite possibly would have done the same thing given similar circumstances. If it's my family's safety or that of an unknown it will be my family, end of story.

Yes I am pretty much where you are with it. I do feel indifferent about it either way. You got to see it from dudes point of view, even if nothing legal comes of it, his life is probably going to be hell one way or another for awhile, unless he moves or something.
 
Yes I am pretty much where you are with it. I do feel indifferent about it either way. You got to see it from dudes point of view, even if nothing legal comes of it, his life is probably going to be hell one way or another for awhile, unless he moves or something.

He did make a quick decision, but I think that a person's decision making powers are affected by fear and that probably played a major role. I can't imagine how many times he has probably questioned his own decision. As it turned out, he probably did not have to fear Bo, but the situation created that need.
 
He did make a quick decision, but I think that a person's decision making powers are affected by fear and that probably played a major role. I can't imagine how many times he has probably questioned his own decision. As it turned out, he probably did not have to fear Bo, but the situation created that need.

I understand but still. I get off of work at midnight so I spend my time watching shows on Hulu and Internet. Sometimes I hear noises outside and stuff out back gets moved around. One instance I went outside, with the the lights off because I can actually see better and a rifle. Everytime I crouch down behind my truck and yell who goes there. One time it was actually someone and they ran off. Another time it was 3 coyotes. I shot and killed one and scared the hell out of the other ones.
 
This is missing a whole lot of other instances. Since the February 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin, 432 black men have been killed. By black men.

What's the point of this post? I am guessing you just made up that statistic, but I really don't understand the point you're trying to make.
 
Obviously they get arrested. Only the white ones get let go.


Anyway, the case appears to be Castle Doctrine, not SYG. Castle Doctrine exists in almost every state? That noted, shooting someone for hiding on one's porch is kinda messed up, but it's better than home-dwellers having to think twice about defending themselves in their homes.

I know. It doesn't even seem like there was self defense. He was just on somebody's property and killed for that. I am starting to think that some armed people are just making rash decisions, appear to be paranoid or just think the worst of other people, which is a really bad combination. Shooting somebody often ends a life, and it seems like some people are not thinking much about it.

The shooter has to live the rest of his life out knowing he killed somebody, and I don't think that that can weight lightly on his conscious.
 
I find the suggestions that I no longer should have the right to defend myself on my property in the middle of the night when someone's skulking around on my porch to be terribly disturbing.

Why should I assume that someone on my porch in the middle of the night after a night of police-calls and a noisy-teennybop-parties is hiding there for a peaceful encounter with no ill intent?

The argument against this case seems ****ing stupid.

I can believe he was concerned, but I doubt he was in fear of his life. This doesn't concern self defense, but simple trespassing.

I know years ago it was common that trespassing warranted the property owner to shot and kill on the spot. I didn't think we were still living with that kind of mentality today.
 
Can we agree the OP source in this thread is a bit biased? Try this source which takes information directly from the police report.

No charges filed against homeowner accused of shooting Bo Morrison | FOX6Now.com

When this incident happened people claimed it was a race thing. It was dark, Bo was wearing dark clothes, he was somewhere he has absolutely no right to be. The "Porch" everyone is so concerned about has to be entered via 2 exterior doors.

Just yesterday I noticed that in the 6 months since Wisconsin passed concealed carry the state has issued 100,000 permits. Guns are a big deal here. So is the right to protect yourself and your home. If someone enters my home at 2am without an invitation I do not think they should have any expectation of safety.

THis has always been my stance too!

People always say or ask "how do you know that person is a threat" and I always say the same thing, I wont have to wonder about that question if you keep your ass on the outside of my house :shrug:
 
Can we agree the OP source in this thread is a bit biased? Try this source which takes information directly from the police report.

No charges filed against homeowner accused of shooting Bo Morrison | FOX6Now.com

When this incident happened people claimed it was a race thing. It was dark, Bo was wearing dark clothes, he was somewhere he has absolutely no right to be. The "Porch" everyone is so concerned about has to be entered via 2 exterior doors.

Just yesterday I noticed that in the 6 months since Wisconsin passed concealed carry the state has issued 100,000 permits. Guns are a big deal here. So is the right to protect yourself and your home. If someone enters my home at 2am without an invitation I do not think they should have any expectation of safety.
Still doesn't convince me that what this homeowner did was right. This source raise more question than justifies his shooting.

If this young man was running from the neighbor's garage where the party was held and into this homeowner's porch through one of the so-called "2 exterior doors" so quickly in seconds without carrying any tools for break-in, then it must not be a real secured door of any caliber.

In addition, it was said that the porch was dark when the shooting took place. So, either the homeowner didn't flip the switch to scare the intruder away as a first warning or there was no wiring for lighting to the porch which possibly was just a later add-on to the exterior at the back of the house. Therefore, it couldn't be intended for interior living space. If it was intended as a interior living space, then it is reckless of this homeowner to have such flimsy "2 exterior doors" and nothing heavily secured in-between it and the main house, given he has a family with three small children to worry about.

Also, according to this source, the homeowner confronted the intruder in the dark porch and questioned him. According to the report, the young man raised his hands (showing he was unarmed) and then, according to the homeowner's account, the young man took a step forward towards him and that's when he shot him. This doesn't sit well with me given that he should first told his wife to call the police before confronting the intruder and the police would be there about the same amount of time that the young man ran from the garage to the porch.

In addition, I don't really believe the homeowner was in fear of his life when he felt the need to confront the intruder who merely crouch in hiding somewhere in the dark porch as opposed to pounding on the door like the homeowner did when he went over to his neighbor's driveway, trespassing their property and was pounding on someone's car window, another private property of another person, at the wee hour well past midnight. He wasn't concerned that he was trespassing two different people's private property at wee hour, was he? He wouldn't have known who was/were in the car or whether he/she/they was/were armed, would he? So, why wasn't he scared? Why wasn't he afraid some armed intruder attacked him and then went over to his house and attacked his family with three young children while he was outside raising hell with his neighbor's late night visitiors or just opportunitic strangers? Besides, there was report that he was threatening those party kids with his gun (not sure whether that's true or not).

No, the fact that he was out in his neighbor's property just a few minutes ago at wee hour raising hell about their party noise with police responded at the scene thereafter and calling him about it, that his claim of self defense for fear of his life because he heard noise outside in his porch, is hard to believe.


Yes, the young man should not have intruded on his property. But, yound people make mistales. You can't guarantee that one day your children or your grandchildren or your loved ones will never made such stupid mistake. It shouldn't be a death sentence. The homeowner, who is much mature also made such mistake that night, Why should he be holier than thou to so quickly shoot a young man to death for trespassing his property without letting the police, who he had just spoken on the phone a second ago, to take care of the situation and get away with it?
 
What's the point of this post? I am guessing you just made up that statistic, but I really don't understand the point you're trying to make.

The point, is that people are fomaing at the mouth about Martin, yet nothing is said about 432 other black men that have been murdered, since Martin's death.
 
The point, is that people are fomaing at the mouth about Martin, yet nothing is said about 432 other black men that have been murdered, since Martin's death.

Because a lot of people don't care simply because it involves a non white victim. I guess some people can't grasp their mind around that concept though.
 
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