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Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

Gardener said:
Because the Islamist in question SAID he didn't?

You are awfully ignorant if you think Islamism is a liberal ideology.
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yeah, i mean, it's not as if the legitimacy of lying to unbelievers was actual Islamic doctrine or anything....

Oh. Wait.
 
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DiAnna said:
What do you mean "we", and why are you going to watch this particular man's back? Whom are you expecting to attack him... the BBC? Because quite frankly beyond the BBC article and this forum, I've heard absolutely nothing about this from American news media. It may have been picked up from the BBC by a few outlets, but none that I've seen.

So who do you believe is out to get this man, and why?
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If you are at all familiar with this poster, then you will know who she considers to be 'out to get him'.
 
DiAnna said:
If that is indeed the case, why did he spend 16 days in jail, as reported in the OP's article? That sounds rather bizarre to me.
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Well the belief was that he was being made a scapegoat of

The court had heard how Lord Ahmed sent and received a series of five text messages while driving in the dark at speeds of, and above, 60mph along a 17-mile stretch of the motorway.

Mr Justice Wilkie made clear the texting incident had no bearing on the fatal collision.

Sentence 'nothing'

But he added: "It is of the greatest importance that people realise what a serious offence dangerous driving of this type is.

"I have come to the conclusion that by reason of the prolonged, deliberate, repeated and highly dangerous driving for which you have pleaded guilty, only an immediate custodial sentence can be justified."

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Outside court Lord Ahmed's solicitor, Steve Smith, said he thought his client had been used as a "scapegoat" by those attempting to drive home the message about not using a mobile phone while at the wheel.
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BBC NEWS | UK | England | South Yorkshire | Peer jailed for motorway texting

As you can see both at the original trial and at the appeal it is acknowledged that he had not been responsible for the accident. It may be that this happened just shortly after texting was made illegal and may therefore be that he was indeed being made a scapegoat - such things do happen.
 
cpwill said:
well.... if by liberal you mean leftist...
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Those on the Far Left have a real affinity for radical Islam, because it is rabidly anti-American and rabidly anti-Israel - sentiments that form the core of the Far Left view of the world.
 
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alexa said:
Well the belief was that he was being made a scapegoat of



BBC NEWS | UK | England | South Yorkshire | Peer jailed for motorway texting

As you can see both at the original trial and at the appeal it is acknowledged that he had not been responsible for the accident. It may be that this happened just shortly after texting was made illegal and may therefore be that he was indeed being made a scapegoat - such things do happen.
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Nothing in your link makes this man in any way an admirable character.
 
Wiggen said:
Those on the Far Left have a real affinity for radical Islam, because it is rabidly anti-American and rabidly anti-Israel - sentiments that form the core of the Far Left view of the world.
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What utter bosh! Radical Islam is ultraconservative religion incarnate.
 
digsbe said:
If it's true then I hope the CIA or Secret Service does something about it. Such things inspire terrorists and this man should be severely punished if what was quoted is true.
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Can't help to express you're "patriot"? At least one thing is true that Bush has been accused of "war crime". Will you activate CIA and Secret Service?

George W. Bush cancels visit to Swiss charity gala over fears he could be arrested on torture charges

UPDATED: 15:57 EST, 6 February 2011
Mr Bush was due to be the keynote speaker at a Jewish charity gala in Geneva on February 12.
But pressure has been building on the Swiss government to arrest him and open a criminal investigation if he enters the country.
Criminal complaints against Mr Bush alleging torture have been lodged in Geneva, court officials said.


Read more: George W. Bush cancels Switzerland visit over fears of arrest on torture charges | Mail Online
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katsung47 said:
Can't help to express you're "patriot"? At least one thing is true that Bush has been accused of "war crime". Will you activate CIA and Secret Service?
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pppfft that left-wing rag again
 
digsbe said:
If it's true then I hope the CIA or Secret Service does something about it. Such things inspire terrorists and this man should be severely punished if what was quoted is true.
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The original source of the menacing quote is a Pakistani newspaper called the Express Tribune and the accuracy of the quote is being questioned. The Labour peer admitted that he spoke out against alleged war crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan at a reception in Pakistan and the Pakistani paper could have distorted what he actually said to fit its agenda or make sensational headlines.
 
Manc Skipper said:
What utter bosh! Radical Islam is ultraconservative religion incarnate.
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Of course it is, so why do so many of you extreme left British posters defend it at every turn?
 
VanceMack said:
You shouldnt. The military does. Our rules are in place to prevent anarchy and a military overthrow of governors and leaders we 'dont like'. You cant join and provide honorable and faithful service under one president but decide you dont want to play just because a different president with different ideals and values is elected. So...again..very correct. YOU shouldnt join the military. Those that do...you have 1 opportunity every four years to say 'no'.
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Actually, the military is sworn to protect the Constitution. If a President does perpetuate human rights abuses, the military has the right to not follow those orders since they go against the Constitution.
 
And this Is why I avoid the middle east section...
 
DiAnna said:
If that is indeed the case, why did he spend 16 days in jail, as reported in the OP's article? That sounds rather bizarre to me.
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He was sentenced to jail for dangerous driving, I.e for texting, not for death by dangerous driving. It was only a two month sentence that was overturned on appeal.
 
katsung47 said:
Can't help to express you're "patriot"? At least one thing is true that Bush has been accused of "war crime". Will you activate CIA and Secret Service?
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:lol: No Government is going to try to arrest George Bush. :roll: I remember when people started having these fantasies in the 2004 time frame. :lol: I had to spend about 10 pages convincing some German that his nation would not survive the resulting war.

Manc Skipper said:
What utter bosh! Radical Islam is ultraconservative religion incarnate.
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I think this might be where we run into some of the differences between European and American Conservatism.
 
samsmart said:
Actually, the military is sworn to protect the Constitution. If a President does perpetuate human rights abuses, the military has the right to not follow those orders since they go against the Constitution.
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Very Iffy - Very Grey area. You had better be willing to be tried and (if found wrong) jailed for quite some time before you make that call in wartime.
 
My guess? This "tape" he says exists never materializes.
 
Manc Skipper said:
What utter bosh! Radical Islam is ultraconservative religion incarnate.
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I'll say it again. The Far Left - especially the European Far Left - loves radical Islam because it is rabidly anti-American and anti-Israel, just as they are. They're willing to overlook the religion aspect in exchange for some good old-fashioned American bashing.
 
samsmart said:
Actually, the military is sworn to protect the Constitution. If a President does perpetuate human rights abuses, the military has the right to not follow those orders since they go against the Constitution.
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Yes, because one of the things we insist on with our military is that they be experts on constitutional law - especially on those sections where they disobey direct orders. You'd better be damned sure you are right before you try that one on.
 
Wiggen said:
Yes, because one of the things we insist on with our military is that they be experts on constitutional law - especially on those sections where they disobey direct orders. You'd better be damned sure you are right before you try that one on.
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The U.S constitution is actually remarkably short, try reading it some day you might learn something.
 
Harshaw said:
A member of the House of Lords puts up a bounty for the capture of one former and one sitting US President:
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I'd like to see the pakis try. Seriously, third world savages vs Secret Service, CIA, the FBI, the Military, and every local law enforcement agent in the continental US in post 9/11 America after making the threat. That'll be some damn good slapstick.
 
Gardener said:
Of course it is, so why do so many of you extreme left British posters defend it at every turn?
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Is this a multiple choice question?

Because it's anti-Chritian. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. ;)

Because tolerance is good, even if it leads to one's demise.

Because we keep our eyes closed, plug our ears, sing na-na-na-na-na, and wait for it to go away.
 
Harshaw said:
You're attacking them as a source, insinuating they may be lying. Why? What reason do you have to think they would, especially now that you know more about them?

Why is it that you want to disbelieve he said this? At this point, it's pretty obvious that you do.
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I don't want to believe or disbelieve it, I just don't automatically assume that because a newspaper reports it it must be true. Time and investigation will prove the matter one way or the other. I'm not attacking them as a source, I'm simply saying that neither you nor I know whether this is a reputable paper or whether it has some agenda in making the claims it made in its report. i've never heard of it before. Have you?

If Lord Ahmed made the statements quoted by the newspaper at a public event or even a behind-closed-doors internal event, there is bound to be some phyical record of that speech. I'm sure the investigation will turn up that evidence if it exists. Do you have some reason for believing the journalist over the politician? I don't. Neither profession is exactly the last word in reliability. Why rush to judgement when the facts aren't yet known?
 
Gardener said:
and in a related development, the foxes have been put in charge of investigating a series of missing chickens......
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Would that be the same Labour Party that took the UK into the Afghan and Iraq wars as the stalwart ally of President GW Bush? The same one that brought in the internment of Islamists suspects without trial?
 
cpwill said:
:lol: No Government is going to try to arrest George Bush. :roll: I remember when people started having these fantasies in the 2004 time frame. :lol: I had to spend about 10 pages convincing some German that his nation would not survive the resulting war.
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You make a good point there because there are many people who believe the Iraq war in particular was illegal, including the British governments lawyers and the UN. You can listen to what actually happened on my link. He does appear to be talking of raising money to bring Bush and Blair to the ICC. Interestingly when I landed on a Pakistani site they were not even discussing this, they were discussing the emphasis of his talk which was evolution not revolution. They thought he sounded a bit too English and preferred revolution.

You also need to understand how badly the war against Afghanistan has harmed Pakistan, the number they have dead and the infiltration of extremists into Pakistan and the social consequences of that. I imagine that that will make no difference to some here but imagine if you were living there. Might you not think justice should be the same for all? I'd be extremely surprised if this speech came from an intent to inflame. I suspect it was quite the opposite, though I can understand it might not be seen as that from people here.

Anyway, nothing to do with Obama, it is just Bush and Blair.

Suspended peer says Obama 'bounty' a 'pack of lies' - Channel 4 News
 
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