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O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

Kal'Stang said:
And yet we have evidence that not everyone is verified. Remember, what happens in your county may not happen in another.
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It is done simply and fast without the use of any formal picture ID. The people who work the election have a big book with a copy of my voters registration and signature. They give me a piece of paper on which I print my name and address and then sign it. They compare that to what is in the book and I have proven I am who I say I am. I then vote.
 
The next question is: is there any systemic problem with in person voter fraud to begin with? Are there any person voting in Jane Doe, or John Doe or Mr Smith's names? If there's a problem, it's up to the person who claim the problem exists to demonstrate that it in fact exists.
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Im ****ing sick and tired of liberals playing dumb, deaf and blind on this subject.
The system is set up so that it is nearly impossible to catch anyone doing so.
How can you catch anyone when the system is set up so that there is no way to question a voter's identity?

Do you lock your doors at home? If you have never been robbed, why do you? After all, no proof you are going to get robbed right?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Im ****ing sick and tired of liberals playing dumb, deaf and blind on this subject.
The system is set up so that it is nearly impossible to catch anyone doing so.
How can you catch anyone when the system is set up so that there is no way to question a voter's identity?

Do you lock your doors at home? If you have never been robbed, why do you? After all, no proof you are going to get robbed right?
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If you think that's bad, wait until they start running your health care system.
 
OpportunityCost said:
But it also stops the secondary market of vote fraud:[...]

If you want to have a real adult conversation lose the smart ass attitude. Like, duh.
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It may also stop vaginal itch, but the item under discussion was ballot box stuffing, to which your prior answer failed miserably (which explains your attempted goal post relocation).

Provide some adult intellect, then we'll talk.

Kal'Stang said:
I've already put him on ignore for his lack of civility.
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Alternatively, you can follow others' lead and bury your head in the sand, thereby winning every argument due to lack of competition.
 
Quag said:
[...] Ie you shouldnt be just able to walk in or mail in a request for voter registration without any proof of eligibility. [...]
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You can't.

So, your education on voting in America, which you could have researched yourself, continues to be a burden to others.
 
haymarket said:
It is done simply and fast without the use of any formal picture ID. The people who work the election have a big book with a copy of my voters registration and signature. They give me a piece of paper on which I print my name and address and then sign it. They compare that to what is in the book and I have proven I am who I say I am. I then vote.
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Its a hell of a lot easier and more efficient to check a photo ID than to look through a big book.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060402749 said:
Its a hell of a lot easier and more efficient to check a photo ID than to look through a big book.
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Baloney. Worse - its yesterdays baloney going down the porcelain receptacle. The traditional method of matching voter to their signature has never ever been an obstacle at all. They are set up to do that and it takes mere seconds.

Voter suppression laws are about one thing and only one thing: conservatives finding a way to neutralize the demographic predictions for the white peoples party over the next thirty years.

It is motivated by naked politics and not a small amount or racism thrown in.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060402749 said:
Its a hell of a lot easier and more efficient to check a photo ID than to look through a big book.
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Be easier still to scan an inter-cranial RF ID chip inserted at birth.
 
You can't.

So, your education on voting in America, which you could have researched yourself, continues to be a burden to others.
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Why do you continue to take my posts out of context and ascribe things that arent there?
Before you post anything you should probably understand what you are posting about. At no point did i mention this is how it was done. But i guess for an ideaologue anyone that MIGHT have a different opinion should be attacked at every possibility.
Untill you actually make an intelligent post pelase stop embarrasing yourself by trying to belittle the posts of other ppl, it has the opposite effect of what you are trying to accomplish.

To be blunt you are showing an incredible ignorance of anything I have posted to date!
You insist on pointing out that ignorance by trying to insult me.


Once again I will ask you
If voter ID would cost the state nothing and disenfracnhise no one would you still be against it?
 
It is motivated by naked politics and not a small amount or racism thrown in.
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Funny I could turn that completely around and say the same thing about the democrat position. Yeah, I think you are going back on ignore.

No wonder you wanted to start a thread to redefine racism. You wanted to define it so you could throw the race card at every conservative policy idea you see.
 
Quag said:
[...] At no point did i mention this is how it was done. [...]
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If you were aware of "how it was done", why create a false hypothetical?

Quag said:
[...] Ie you shouldnt be just able to walk in or mail in a request for voter registration without any proof of eligibility. [...]
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Your posts are belittled because you are talking about something that is unrelated to the topic.... and you've been doing so all thru the thread:

Quag said:
Again we do this here in Canada (and many other jurisidctions) and there is no problem with the cost nor with people being disenfranchised. I do not see how it would become either expensive or disenfranchising in the states to use a system such as ours for voter ID
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The topic is not how you vote in Canada, or adopting the Canadian system, it is a state-issued photo ID voter requirement that is being introduced, in a coordinated manner, in numerous states by the GOP -- with the intent, in some people's opinion, to disenfranchise certain voters (and there are studies to support that); all of this in the face of an absolute lack of proof of the existence of the type of fraud that this new ID program is supposed to prevent.

Instead of staying on that topic, you want to discuss voting in Canada with -- in my estimation -- no idea how it is done in the U.S. (as indicated by the clueless hypothetical above).
 
Karl try opening your mind just a little bit. I am proposing an alternative solution. Just because you do not like that idea doesn't mean it is of no value. Refusing to look at new ideas with an open mind is a sign of fanatacism.
None of your points in regards to my posts have had any logic or sense behind them.

The topic is not how you vote in Canada, or adopting the Canadian system, it is a state-issued photo ID voter requirement that is being introduced, in a coordinated manner, in numerous states by the GOP -- with the intent, in some people's opinion, to disenfranchise certain voters (and there are studies to support that); all of this in the face of an absolute lack of proof of the existence of the type of fraud that this new ID program is supposed to prevent.

Instead of staying on that topic, you want to discuss voting in Canada with -- in my estimation -- no idea how it is done in the U.S. (as indicated by the clueless hypothetical above).
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Perhaps you should reread the OP. It is a debate about whether voter ID required. There may be a bill requesting state issued photo voter ID but even Kal'Stang said he does not demand a state issued voter photo ID card. It is you who are unclear on the topic of this thread. If you wish to start a thread dealing specifically and only with that issue by all means go ahead and start one. Even then, since when would proposing an alterate solution be unacceptable in a debate on ANY subject?

I have proposed a solution, That I think should be acceptable to both sides. You refuse to answer why you think that is unacceptable. I will use your own lack of burden of proof on motives and state empahtically that you are against voter ID because you are a fanatic and as such your opinions should be automatically dismissed.
 
Quag said:
Karl try opening your mind just a little bit. I am proposing an alternative solution. [...]
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With no awareness of what is currently in place.

Quag said:
Perhaps you should reread the OP. It is a debate about whether voter ID required.
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Yes. What you don't understand, since you are unaware that this discussion has been going on in the U.S. for some six months or longer, is that the voter ID under discussion is a state-issued photo ID, which -- given many new terrorism laws -- is not all that simple to obtain (multiple identifying documents may be required). What you are also apparently unaware of, and uncaring of, is that many or most states currently have some type of ID requirement during the voting process, although it often is not as strict as what the Republicans are proposing.

Quag said:
There may be a bill requesting state issued photo voter ID but even Kal'Stang said he does not demand a state issued voter photo ID card.
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Once again, you are wrong :doh

Kal'Stang said:
As long as it is an official state recognized ID I don't care one way or the other. A drivers license or basic ID or military ID card would be perfectly fine with me. No, school cards and the like allowed though.
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Kal'Stang said:
Generally when people talk about ID in the US they are talking about photo ID. Just an FYI. :)
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KS said state issued ID card, drivers licences and the like, he did not propose a VOTER ID card. Slow down a bit and read whats posted.
 
What you are also apparently unaware of, and uncaring of, is that many or most states currently have some type of ID requirement during the voting process
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Yes I am aware, unlike you I actually read the posts. The OP showed a situation where NO voter Id was required, photo or otherwise.

As long as it is an official state recognized ID I don't care one way or the other. A drivers license or basic ID or military ID card would be perfectly fine with me. No, school cards and the like allowed though.
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This quote does not a demand state issued photo voter id card kal'Stang said simply a state issued photo ID card , any one will do not a new specific card uniquely for voting.
Once again you have proved you cannot/will not read others posts!

when 2 people are arguing, person A wants this person B that, it is only the fanatic who refuses to listen to person C coming up and offering a third possible solution. You are that fanatic. If you want to start a post on the GOP proposal go ahead, but even then only a fanatic would accuse of ignorance someone who proposes a 3rd way, or even a 4th 5th.... nth way.

TALK, READ, THINK, LEARN
 
OpportunityCost said:
KS said state issued ID card, drivers licences and the like, he did not propose a VOTER ID card. Slow down a bit and read whats posted.
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Again, an argument that depends on the reader being clueless. I swear some make a determined effort at illustrating the obtuse.
 
Again, an argument that depends on the reader being clueless. I swear some make a determined effort at illustrating the obtuse.
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I couldnt have said it better about you myself.
 
Karl said:
Again, an argument that depends on the reader being clueless. I swear some make a determined effort at illustrating the obtuse.
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Thats what I think when I read just about any of your posts. If you want to bait youre going to have to do better than that. Get back to addressing the main topic and stop it with the arrogant superiority stance.
 
Karl said:
Be easier still to scan an inter-cranial RF ID chip inserted at birth.
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and easier still for me to steal the identify of your inter-cranial rf id.
 
Quag said:
[...] The OP showed a situation where NO voter Id was required, photo or otherwise. [...]
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No, it didn't, since no vote was cast.

Additionally, the imposter chickened out and did not provide the required signature (which would or could have been used by the poll worker to verify his claim to be who he said he was).

You see, once again, you don't know how the system works and you wind up being confused about what is happening. Watching right wing 'sting' videos and thinking that they are telling you the full story will cause that.

Quag said:
As long as it is an official state recognized ID I don't care one way or the other. A drivers license or basic ID or military ID card would be perfectly fine with me. No, school cards and the like allowed though.
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This quote does not a demand state issued photo voter id card kal'Stang said simply a state issued photo ID card , any one will do not a new specific card uniquely for voting.
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Reality seems to be a problem. Or, perhaps your trying to salvage your erroneous claim by a rather ridiculous semantic dodge as OpportunityCost tried just above your post. In any case, sorry, can't help you with either :shrug:

Quag said:
when 2 people are arguing [...]
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While you may be arguing, you're not arguing about the topic at hand -- which is, GOP efforts to implement a widespread requirement for state-issued photo ID be presented when trying to vote (see, since the term "photo voter ID" confused you, I have simplified it for you)... even if your identity and eligibility have already been determined, often by other methods, when registering to vote (and since I have to cover all the bases for those that refuse to inform themselves prior to trying to 'argue', in general terms you have to be registered in order to vote).

That is what the GOP is trying to do, and that is why O'Keefe is running around making juvenile videos to support their efforts, which is why we have threads like this.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Thats what I think when I read just about any of your posts. If you want to bait youre going to have to do better than that. Get back to addressing the main topic and stop it with the arrogant superiority stance.
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There is nothing to address; the merits of your obtuse semantic argument stand on their own. I did not attempt to refute it, but merely commented on it (again, unnecessary, but such a determined effort to look foolish deserved some recognition ;) ).
 
ARealConservative said:
and easier still for me to steal the identify of your inter-cranial rf id.
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Possibly, but enjoy installing it (tip: make sure the electric drill is plugged into a properly grounded outlet :shock: )

However, this does bring up a valid point -- since the GOP is so hell-bent on identifying everyone, should it not be done at birth? RF ID chip, barcode tattoo, something along those lines? Then their craving for security can be realized, as everyone is tracked everywhere at all times -- including while voting.

No need for an alibi if accused of a crime -- the gov't already knows where you were.
 
Karl said:
Possibly, but enjoy installing it (tip: make sure the electric drill is plugged into a properly grounded outlet :shock: )
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The origination of the Radio frequency signal is irrelevant. I can have an electronic rolodex in my pocket with millions of unique rf signatures. Lyndon Johnson will have nothing on the new breed of vote thieves with your hair brained rf id in the cranium implementation.

However, this does bring up a valid point -- since the GOP is so hell-bent on identifying everyone, should it not be done at birth? RF ID chip, barcode tattoo, something along those lines? Then their craving for security can be realized, as everyone is tracked everywhere at all times -- including while voting.
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The progressives already setup a system of identification every single person. Every person at birth is required now to get a social security number and as you move through life, you find more and more entities requiring you provide this number.
 
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