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O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

Kal'Stang said:
...........having to be at least 18 years old.
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Actually to make it more confusing; here in the US, a 17 year old can sometimes vote provided that they would reach the age 18 by the time the general election rolls around, IIRC.
 
Middleground said:
I see a lot of ACORN there. You are aware that it was ACORN that informed the police, no? Also, in all instances I am aware of, it was due to workers being lazy and not doing their jobs. None of these resulted in voter fraud.
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I am aware that THEIR agents committed the fraud...a TON of fraud. I am aware that recently several people were convicted of fraud in Indiana for forging names to place Obama on the Indiana primary ballot. Im aware there have been web sites set up in past elections for vote swapping. I think it is a shame and tragic that there are so many disgusting Pieces of **** that would do such things. Doesnt change the fact that they are there. Personally...if they kept coming up in MY house? Id be leading the charge to get their ass thrown in jail, not making excuses or saying...well...gosh...its not REALLY fraud. Yeah...it is...and yeah...dems wear their stink like nasty cologne covering 3 weeks without a shower, a pint of vodka and 2 pack a day bad habit.
 
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Yeah sure, why not make people jump through a few extra hoops by changing a policy or two, and its not like we all don't thoroughly enjoy standing in some long line at some out of the way government facility for a few hours only to have the clerk maybe say your papers are not in order.

All because some kook is running around with a video camera almost documenting crimes while probing our democracy for weaknesses.
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It causes no problems here, there is no line ups you have the appropriate ID you show it it takes a few secs In fact it often speeds things up as they dont have to ask how to spell your name to look it up it's right there on the id. As to 1 person being disenfranchised well sucks, but it think it was more an issue on how Id is given out in that state rather than the ID being used for voting. Perhaps before the law was implemented they should have made sure ID was obtainable.

Our voting system is actually pretty easy. For the most part you register to vote via your local courthouse and then show up on voting day to cast your ballot. If you didn't register beforehand then you can sign up right at the voting booth.

Any variances are due mainly to different states having different rules. Some states require ID, some don't. Some require proof of residency, not sure if others don't but I'd imagine its a possibility.

Basically the reason that there seems to be confusion for "many Americans" is because the rules to vote vary state to state. We have no uniform cross country rules/laws on voting beyond that of having to be at least 18 years old.
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Varies from state to state but is pretty easy? Seems it could be made even easier ;) I know your system doesnt work that way just having a little fun.
 
Kal'Stang said:
........And yet she is still not denied her right to vote....still waiting on that proof that ID laws stops people from voting....
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No they just suggested she ride the short bus instead, and you call that a solution. Special handling for a woman that for the most part voted all her life without a problem.
 
Quag said:
How. I really don't see how this could happen. Again Sorry if I'm sounding uppity. I'm not American we require voter ID here and I see no problems with it.
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What country are you from?
 
Utility Man said:
No they just suggested she ride the short bus instead, and you call that a solution. Special handling for a woman that for the most part voted all her life without a problem.
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What bus does she have to ride? Do you know what an absentee ballot is and how it is gotten?
 
VanceMack said:
I am aware that THEIR agents committed the fraud...a TON of fraud. I am aware that recently several people were convicted of fraud in Indiana for forging names to place Obama on the Indiana primary ballot. Im aware there have been web sites set up in past elections for vote swapping. I think it is a shame and tragic that there are so many disgusting Pieces of **** that would do such things. Doesnt change the fact that they are there. Personally...if they kept coming up in MY house? Id be leading the charge to get their ass thrown in jail, not making excuses or saying...well...gosh...its not REALLY fraud. Yeah...it is...and yeah...dems wear their stink like nasty cologne covering 3 weeks without a shower, a pint of vodka and 2 pack a day bad habit.
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You didn't asnwer my question.

They informed the police about their workers.
 
VanceMack said:
There you go...your comments embody the stink. And yes...people are convicted of fraud. Shame so many dirty disgusting cheaters are out there. Shame so many ignore it. But really...a shame that it happens at all. You would think the political parties primarily involved would be livid.
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I have no idea of what you are talking about with your cheapshot stink comment. Do you?

So are you ready to present your verifiable data on voter fraud convictions yet?
 
Kal'Stang said:
And people that keep their head in the sand will eventually die for lack of air.

Anyways...every year of the term "Cold Case Files"? Its not just the name of some TV show ya know. But hey unless you honestly believe that every single crime that a person commites is prosecuted and convicted and recorded then explain to me why I have not been charged with all the crimes that I have committed in my lifetime.

Also can you really expect LEO's to capture every single criminal? And for our courts to handle every single crime? Take a look at this...

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This means that there are 14,764 murders per year.
84,744 rapes per year.
375,248 robberies per year.
778,666 Aggravated Assualt per year.
2,160,000 burglary's per year.
6,183,529 larceny-theft per year.
736,822 motor vehicle thefts per year.

For a grand total of 10,319,009 crimes commited in one year.

And that doesn't even include DWI's, drugs, white collar crime etc etc etc.

So do you honestly believe that EVERYONE is ALWAYS convicted of every single crime that they commit?
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Within all of that verbage, are there any verifiable statistics on voter fraud convictions?
 
haymarket said:
Within all of that verbage, are there any verifiable statistics on voter fraud convictions?
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Good job at totally ignoring my point. :applaud:bravo: You might want to come up out of the sand and take a breath though.....
 
Kal'Stang said:
Good job at totally ignoring my point. :applaud:bravo: You might want to come up out of the sand and take a breath though.....
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So you still have no verifiable statistics on voter fraud convictions? But yet we are to believe that there is a nation wide problem that requires action based on your theory and speculation?

Amazing.
 
James O'Keefe

James E. O'Keefe III (born June 28, 1984) is a conservative American activist who has produced audio and video recordings of staged encounters with public figures and workers in a variety of organizations, purportedly showing abusive or illegal behavior by representatives of those organizations. He gained national attention for his release of video recordings of workers at ACORN offices in 2009, his arrest in early 2010 at the office of Senator Mary Landrieu in a failed attempt to record staff conversations, and release of videos of NPR executives in 2011. Investigations by both legal authorities and journalists have found O'Keefe has "selectively", "heavily" or "deceptively" edited secretly recorded videos to leave a false impression and present the subjects in the worst possible light ......

"What [O'Keefe] does isn't journalism. It's agitpop, politi-punking, entrapment-entertainment. There is no responsible definition of journalism that includes what he does or how he does it. His success at luring his prey into harming themselves is a measure of how fallible and foolish anyone, including good people, can sometimes be.
- (2011 article by Tim Kenneally and Daniel Frankel, Marty Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center at University of Southern California's Annenberg School for Communication)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Keefe
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- 11% of Americans (21 million American adult citizens in 2000) don't have picture IDs according to a survey conducted by Brennan Center for Justice, NYU, 2006

- 18% of all seniors don't have picture IDs (seniors traditionally have been the most consistent voting group)

- 25% of African-Americans don't have picture IDs (in 2008, the rate of black turnout virtually equaled that of whites for the first time)

- young adults aged 18 to 24 (in 2008, turnout of under-24-year-olds reached its highest rate since 1992)

Is it just a matter of coincidence that our conservative "friends" have suddenly discovered that voter fraud is a pressing concern 7 1/2 months before the presidential election?

Cynical liberals might view the timing of this issue as nothing more than a not so subtle attempt to target African-Americans and young adults aged 18 to 24 - groups that just happen to be traditional Democratic supporters?

Any accusations based on "evidence" staged and edited by someone with the reputation of James O'Keefe only confirms their suspicions.

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006...some-wont-vote
 
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Middleground said:
You didn't asnwer my question.

They informed the police about their workers.
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I must have missed your source where ACORN reported all those workers. My bad.
 
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"Back in April, in a story that did not receive the attention it deserved, a Tunica County, Miss., jury found Lessadolla Sowers, who have been identified as a member of the executive committee of the county’s NAACP chapter, guilty of 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots in the name of others."

Despite What Democrats Claim, Voter Fraud is Real - Peter Roff (usnews.com)
 
haymarket said:
So you still have no verifiable statistics on voter fraud convictions? But yet we are to believe that there is a nation wide problem that requires action based on your theory and speculation?

Amazing.
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And you still ignore my point.

And you still haven't shown people that are denied voting rights by voter ID laws.
 
jgarden47 said:
- 11% of Americans (21 million American adult citizens in 2000) don't have picture IDs according to a survey conducted by Brennan Center for Justice, NYU, 2006

- 18% of all seniors don't have picture IDs (seniors traditionally have been the most consistent voting group)

- 25% of African-Americans don't have picture IDs (in 2008, the rate of black turnout virtually equaled that of whites for the first time)

- young adults aged 18 to 24 (in 2008, turnout of under-24-year-olds reached its highest rate since 1992)

Is it just a matter of coincidence that our conservative "friends" have suddenly discovered that voter fraud is a pressing concern 7 1/2 months before the presidential election?

Cynical liberals might view the timing of this issue as nothing more than a not so subtle attempt to target African-Americans and young adults aged 18 to 24 - groups that just happen to be traditional Democratic supporters?

Any accusations based on "evidence" staged and edited by someone with the reputation of James O'Keefe only confirms their suspicions.

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006...some-wont-vote
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Just because people don't have ID's does not mean that they cannot get one.
 
VanceMack said:
Where shall we move the goalposts to now?

Madison elections supervisor among 8 arrested in voting scheme | Law and Order
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Moving the goal posts indeed. All along I have asked for verifiable data showing voter fraud convictions since the 2000 election cycle. According to the article you linked to, when you add up the numbers, there are 72 votes in question. And these are an indictment as opposed to actual convictions.

Do you have any idea what percentage of the vote since the 2000 election cycle that 72 vote figure would constitute?
 
haymarket said:
Moving the goal posts indeed. All along I have asked for verifiable data showing voter fraud convictions since the 2000 election cycle. According to the article you linked to, when you add up the numbers, there are 72 votes in question. And these are an indictment as opposed to actual convictions.

Do you have any idea what percentage of the vote since the 2000 election cycle that 72 vote figure would constitute?
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Geeezus. I do love you. You are the quintessential mouse giving the bird to the eagle as it is descending down on you in one last act of defiance.
 
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