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O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

Bold: Actually most states that I have been to don't allow you to vote unless you have a residence in that state for at least 3-6 months anyways.

And? So basically, if one moves every year, then they have a change of address, no? So if someone who's photo ID reads 10 Jane Doe St., Chicago has moved to 20 John Doe St, Chicago, they can keep it as is despite the faulty address? Really? :lol:

I can get a basic ID where I live for $15, I can't imagine that other places are that much more expensive. But even so, most of the laws that I have seen regarding voter ID's have some kind of provision in it where people can get it for free. How can they not afford that? Or like the link provided earlier shows they can vote via absentee ballot for free also (no ID required).

I am having a hard time grasping how someone is perfectly fine with having to spend money to practice their democratic right. I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone.

Red: I really don't think that voter ID's laws will impact it at all.

Wow. Okay.
But if you're wrong, the consequences will be severe. Bye-bye the freedom your have known your entire life.


I don't mind them. Yes I do know that currently they are subject to many errors and yes, hackings are possible. But they are reletively new and as such I don't fully trust them yet and believe that they should allow some kind of printout until such things are figured out and fixed. I believe that eventually voting machines will become the norm whether we trust them or not anyways. It is inevitable I think due to the normal progress of a society that is based off of technology...and a society that has so many people in it.

Man, you are just all over the place. I have to shake my head because I am having a difficult time believing that some people think like this. So basically, you put your foot down at the possibility of solitary peppered people who might commit voter fraud, but are totally fine with voting machines that have proven to be extremely faulty at best. Don't you realize how absolutely ****ed up that sounds? :screwy

And don't kid yourself. It's harder to bake a pie than it is to hack one of those babies. But hey, don't let that stop your misguided outrage!!111!!11!
 
I'm in Quebec and it has been a big issue, though not much talk on it for about 6 months (construction corruption and student strikes are big things here)
No photo on medicare card? I stand corrected, what province? Ive never seen one without it. (well ok when I was young we didnt have photos) Please explain the wrong again bit. Where have I been wrong before? If there are procinces that do not have phots on their medicare cards then I would have to say requiring photo ID could be a problem, only for the requiring a photo bit. You still need ID to vote in Canada (federal elections, It is possible for provincial/municipal in other parts of the country rules are different)

I am in Ontario. Never once heard about a cry for voter ID. It's ridiculous.

You Quebeckers are weird, anyways. :2razz:
 
Watch the video again. The guy proved how easy it was, That is the barn door being wide open, Doesnt mean the animals are running out, but the possibility is there. Now again what is the problem with voter ID? So far i have seen only a small bit of evidence that obtention of said ID, in certain states needs to be amended. I haven`t seen anything that makes the use of ID onerous.

There's a possibility that you wil be hit by lightening, but I bet you still go outside.

There's an old saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Voter fraud should be the least of concerns. IMO, I think voter turnout should be the top priority.
 
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I am in Ontario. Never once heard about a cry for voter ID. It's ridiculous.

You Quebeckers are weird, anyways.
Voter ID is required in Ontario for federal elections, It is a federal law.
If you live in Ontario your OHIP card has your photo unless you are not yet 18. I mentioned that those who cannot vote yet do not have photos, so it is of no consequence.
 
There's a possibility that you wil be hit by lightening, but I bet you still go outside.

There's an old saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Voter fraud should be the least of concerns. IMO, I think voter turnout should be the top priority.

One has nothing to do with the other. Voter ID IS required in Canada and is NOT onerous so why should it be onerous in the USA. I am not trying to be a hardass I am just asking for a simple explantion of why this is a bad thing. I have yet to recive a decent explanation.

BTW I lived in Ottawa 2X in the past, Nice city, and glad to hear from a fellow Canuk.
 
Partisans usually see only one side of the story. The other side is people who are prevented or discouraged form voting because of the law and it's telling when your reply failed to address that. I provided statistics of a bigger picture, if you want to play count the anecdotal evidence, play it with thinkprogress who counted 9 to your 8: REPORT: Nine People Denied Voting Rights By Voter ID Laws | ThinkProgress

Happy now?

only one side is visible.

If a person is denied a right to vote, he knows then and there he is being disenfranchised. They can step forward and show conclusively that a problem exists.

If my vote is being undermined by fraud, I have no way of knowing that I am being disenfranchised. nobody can step forward and prove the problem exists, that doesn't mean the problem isn't there.

as a scientifically minded individual, I choose the system of knowing over the system of not knowing 10 times out of 10
 
Voter ID is required in Ontario for federal elections, It is a federal law.
If you live in Ontario your OHIP card has your photo unless you are not yet 18. I mentioned that those who cannot vote yet do not have photos, so it is of no consequence.

My OHIP card does not have my photo.

But yes, we do have to show a photo ID and proof of address if we don't have a registration card.
 
One has nothing to do with the other. Voter ID IS required in Canada and is NOT onerous so why should it be onerous in the USA. I am not trying to be a hardass I am just asking for a simple explantion of why this is a bad thing. I have yet to recive a decent explanation.

BTW I lived in Ottawa 2X in the past, Nice city, and glad to hear from a fellow Canuk.


Last time I voted, I showed my registration card. I had the option of showing either my Mastercard bill with my address on it (or any other piece of mail with my name and address) or photo ID with an address. We don't have voter cards, nor has there been any discussion that it is needed.
 
If my vote is being undermined by fraud, I have no way of knowing that I am being disenfranchised. nobody can step forward and prove the problem exists, that doesn't mean the problem isn't there.

as a scientifically minded individual, I choose the system of knowing over the system of not knowing 10 times out of 10

If you truly think this, then you must simply despise those ****ing voting machines!
 
And? So basically, if one moves every year, then they have a change of address, no? So if someone who's photo ID reads 10 Jane Doe St., Chicago has moved to 20 John Doe St, Chicago, they can keep it as is despite the faulty address? Really? :lol:

Perhaps I worded that wrong. You have to have resided in the state for 3-6 months. Not a specific residence. I do apologize for that.

I am having a hard time grasping how someone is perfectly fine with having to spend money to practice their democratic right. I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone.

Again, you don't have to spend money. Remember I did say that all of the voter ID laws that I have seen has allowed for a way to get the ID for free.

Wow. Okay.
But if you're wrong, the consequences will be severe. Bye-bye the freedom your have known your entire life.

A bit hyper-bolic. But no, no freedom is taken away. All you have to do is go get that free ID or use an absentee ballot.

Man, you are just all over the place. I have to shake my head because I am having a difficult time believing that some people think like this. So basically, you put your foot down at the possibility of solitary peppered people who might commit voter fraud, but are totally fine with voting machines that have proven to be extremely faulty at best. Don't you realize how absolutely ****ed up that sounds? :screwy

And don't kid yourself. It's harder to bake a pie than it is to hack one of those babies. But hey, don't let that stop your misguided outrage!!111!!11!

I'll repeat myself..perhaps a bit more clearly.

Yes they are subject currently to being hacked and are prone to errors. But again they are new. As such until they are fixed and non-hackable I believe that any that are used should automatically print out who the person voted for so that the person can verify it and hand it in.

Once the problems are fixed I see no problem with them. In fact I think that they can be a good thing considering the amount of paper that we use (and hence trees) in elections.

But again...the problems MUST be fixed before we rely on them totally.
 
If you truly think this, then you must simply despise those ****ing voting machines!

machines counting the votes are not substantially different then party bosses in a back room manually counting votes. a great deal of opportunity for fraud is prevalent in either system.
 
By the liberal logic in this thread why dont you go rock climbing without a safety line, then once you fall you will have proof you CAN fall and need the safety line.

You dont use the safety line for the 1000 times you dont fall you need it for the 1 time you do.
Yeah, yeah analogy argument, go piss up a rope, but make sure it isnt your safety line :p
 
machines counting the votes are not substantially different then party bosses in a back room manually counting votes. a great deal of opportunity for fraud is prevalent in either system.

Really?
I was under the impression both parties had to be present when votes were counted. My bad.
 
Last time I voted, I showed my registration card. I had the option of showing either my Mastercard bill with my address on it (or any other piece of mail with my name and address) or photo ID with an address. We don't have voter cards, nor has there been any discussion that it is needed.

I haver said how many times now I do not approuve of VOTER PHOTO ID cards. I said simply show ID we do it here in Canada, you have stated that as well. So where is the problem with showing ID?

Again unless you are not 18 your OHIP card has your photo. If you are not 18 you cannot vote, so point is null.

Again I will post elections canada site says what is required. Please tell me what part of this is wrong. A voter registration card alone is not sufficient.

Elections Canada Online | Voter Identification at the Polls

Not to get too personal middleground but where in Ottawa are you? I lived at U of O and near the airport along the Canal.
 
Really?
I was under the impression both parties had to be present when votes were counted. My bad.

how do "both parties" being present alleviate my fears? you think I am represented by the bosses of those two parties? They openly hate my brand of conservatism.
 
Really?
I was under the impression both parties had to be present when votes were counted. My bad.
it may not be the case with every voter machine, but in my voting district the machines also have a paper printout of every vote cast. The digital and paper printouts must match and the tallies must match the number of signatures in the books (and we have for as long as I can remember always had to show ID).

maybe we should just have public executions (try anyone guilty of ANY type of intentional voter fraud for treason). Maybe if there was a zero tolerance policy (and not the wink wink, nudge nudge, hey guys...stop that bull****) with regard to election fraud of all type we wouldnt have reached this point.
 
Again, you don't have to spend money. Remember I did say that all of the voter ID laws that I have seen has allowed for a way to get the ID for free.

People have a difficult time getting their asses off the couch to vote!!! It is naive, IMO, to think that people will take the time to do this.


A bit hyper-bolic. But no, no freedom is taken away. All you have to do is go get that free ID or use an absentee ballot.

During an election, all one has to do is go to a local polling station and cast a vote. Seems so easy right? Yet less than 60% seem to bother. When you add the need for a registration card, it would be silly to think that low number won't plunge any further.

I'll repeat myself..perhaps a bit more clearly.

Yes they are subject currently to being hacked and are prone to errors. But again they are new. As such until they are fixed and non-hackable I believe that any that are used should automatically print out who the person voted for so that the person can verify it and hand it in.

Once the problems are fixed I see no problem with them. In fact I think that they can be a good thing considering the amount of paper that we use (and hence trees) in elections.

But again...the problems MUST be fixed before we rely on them totally.

So why is nobody bitching about this???

The problems are NOT fixed. Don't you think this would be a more urgent thing to correct that voter ID cards? Jeepers! :doh
 
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I haver said how many times now I do not approuve of VOTER PHOTO ID cards. I said simply show ID we do it here in Canada, you have stated that as well. So where is the problem with showing ID?

Again unless you are not 18 your OHIP card has your photo. If you are not 18 you cannot vote, so point is null.

Again I will post elections canada site says what is required. Please tell me what part of this is wrong. A voter registration card alone is not sufficient.

Elections Canada Online | Voter Identification at the Polls

Not to get too personal middleground but where in Ottawa are you? I lived at U of O and near the airport along the Canal.

The discussion here (unless I am totally out to lunch) is that nothing else would be valid in the US other than a voter card. No drivers license, no bill with address or any other form of ID. Just a voting card... period. Am I correct or wrong?
 
it may not be the case with every voter machine, but in my voting district the machines also have a paper printout of every vote cast. The digital and paper printouts must match and the tallies must match the number of signatures in the books (and we have for as long as I can remember always had to show ID).

Thank you. It's good to know that some of them are more sophisticated.
 
The discussion here (unless I am totally out to lunch) is that nothing else would be valid in the US other than a voter card. No drivers license, no bill with address or any other form of ID. Just a voting card... period. Am I correct or wrong?

The voter phot ID was never mentioned untill later in this thread. My original post just asked what is wrong with an ID requirement. If ppl infer I meant voter photo ID card I cannot help it, but it think I I have made my opinions on that abundantly clear by now :) Perhaps it was implicit in the thread but it wasn`t mentioned. (It is possible I am out to lunch, not you. As you said we Quebeckers are weird)
 
People have a difficult time getting their asses off the couch to vote!!! It is naive, IMO, to think that people will take the time to do this.

That is irrelevent. If they are so lazy as to have a difficult time getting their asses off the couch to vote then that is their problem. Not anyone elses. Perhaps the exercise of going to the DMV will do them some good.

During an election, all one has to do is go to a local polling station and cast a vote. Seems so easy right? Yet less than 60% seem to bother. When you add the need for a registration card, it would be silly to think that low number won't plunge any further.

In which case anyone and their mother could vote in our elections...including illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, Al Qaeda, Hitler (remember..dead people have been found to have votes in our elections) etc etc. Don't you think we need some way of telling whether American citizens are voting or not?

So why is nobody bitching about this???

The problems are NOT fixed. Don't you think this would be a more urgent thing to correct that voter ID cards? Jeepers! :doh

Who says that the problems are not being looked at and ways in which they can be fixed are not being done? Can't we work on two things at once?
 
Some states are currently closing some of their department of motor vehicle facilities locations while at the same time thousands of post offices will be closing throughout the nation(budget problems wink wink).

We are so sorry that you may have to travel further to obtain an ID only to find you have to wait much longer in line due to the overcrowded facility, and hey we are really really sorry that you may have a harder time finding a place to mail those absentee ballots from(provided you received them in the first place).

Nothing says America more than having to rely on a facility that may or may not be closed due to budget problems when you get there.

This problem speaks volumes about how some people would seem to prefer a government that will work against them instead of for them.

Smaller government should mean its harder to obtain a government ID and or mail that absentee ballot, wake up people.
 
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Some states are currently closing some of their department of motor vehicle facilities locations while at the same time thousands of post offices will be closing throughout the nation(budget problems wink wink).

We are so sorry that you may have to travel further to obtain an ID only to find you have to wait much longer in line due to the overcrowded facility, and hey we are really really sorry that you may have a harder time finding a place to mail those absentee ballots from(provided you received them in the first place).

Nothing says America more than having to rely on a facility that may or may not be closed due to budget problems when you get there.

This problem speaks volumes about how some people would seem to prefer a government that will work against them instead of for them.

Smaller government should mean its harder to obtain a government ID and or mail that absentee ballot, wake up people.
Couldnt have anything to do with a 16 trillion dollar national debt, states like California and Michigan near bankruptcy...right? nah...its an eeeeeevil diabolical ploy to surpress peoples rights. Hey...BTW...guess which presidents Homeland Security team has changed the laws mandating what is and isnt acceptable for applying for passports, drivers licenses, etc.
 
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Alternate Meaning: Troll post.

Is it a troll post because it hurts someone's widdle feewings?

It wasn't a troll post. It is reality, half the excuses made by people are made because they are trying to cover up that they are too lazy.
 
And as the sun begins to set, it looks like yet another in a long series of days where no verifiable data is presented demonstrating voter fraud convictions to any significant degree warranting this type of action.

Maybe tomorrow? Cue the little girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498
 
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