Food Stamp Friday at the club! $5 off!

[LizardofOz]

When I first saw this, I thought it was a joke then I found the places Facebook page and this article:
'Food Stamp Friday' At Alabama Rose Supper Club Grants Needy Reduced Cover Charge



So I posted in another thread before about the many abuses to our system. This just epitomizes it. This club is asking people to flaunt that they are taking advantage. Oh, and yeah they probably will show up with their brand new Androids and iPhones. White, black, or hispanic this is annoying to me. I have seen the abuses of the system several times, and despite abuse being down (according to government) since 1999, it is likely far more rampant.

Yet, I also know plenty that should be able to get it but don't qualify because they don't cheat the system. Something about it needs to be done to be properly effective. I believe the system has it's place, but supplementing cashiers with three kids with a discount to a bar so a guy can get her drunk and knock her up with another kid is NOT what it should ever be used for.

 

[Neomalthusian]

When I first saw this, I thought it was a joke then I found the places Facebook page and this article:
'Food Stamp Friday' At Alabama Rose Supper Club Grants Needy Reduced Cover Charge

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So I posted in another thread before about the many abuses to our system. This just epitomizes it. This club is asking people to flaunt that they are taking advantage. Oh, and yeah they probably will show up with their brand new Androids and iPhones. White, black, or hispanic

Hispanic iPhone?!? Gah! Apple is always a step ahead.


In seriousness though, the real abuses of the system aren't via food stamps.

They're via SSDI.

 

[LizardofOz]

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Hispanic iPhone?!? Gah! Apple is always a step ahead.


In seriousness though, the real abuses of the system aren't via food stamps.

They're via SSDI.

My step-dad is on disability and definitely needs it. I think from top to bottom welfare for the rich, and poor has it's abuses. I hope within my lifetime these abuses get tackled on all sides so corporations that need the boost get it so we have more jobs, and families that need the boost get it so they can advance further into society.

 

[Neomalthusian]

My step-dad is on disability and definitely needs it. I think from top to bottom welfare for the rich, and poor has it's abuses. I hope within my lifetime these abuses get tackled on all sides so corporations that need the boost get it so we have more jobs, and families that need the boost get it so they can advance further into society.

Depressive, anxiety, factitious, somatic, substance abuse, and several other disorders probably need to be struck from the list of qualifying disorders. There are numerous that people can simply claim and get a diagnosis and then get disability status. Some people can come in and claim psychotic symptoms. There needs to have been a documented, unmistakable history of psychiatric commitments for psychotic issues before anyone be granted disability for it. Alleging "I hear voices" doesn't cut it. Anyone can claim that. It's just a matter of cleaning house. People with inarguably legitimate disabilities are being put at risk by the types of half-assed disorders people can exploit to get easy benefits. If you care about your dad's benefits, get serious about weeding out the malingerers.

 

[American]

When I first saw this, I thought it was a joke then I found the places Facebook page and this article:
'Food Stamp Friday' At Alabama Rose Supper Club Grants Needy Reduced Cover Charge

View attachment 67125451

So I posted in another thread before about the many abuses to our system. This just epitomizes it. This club is asking people to flaunt that they are taking advantage. Oh, and yeah they probably will show up with their brand new Androids and iPhones. White, black, or hispanic this is annoying to me. I have seen the abuses of the system several times, and despite abuse being down (according to government) since 1999, it is likely far more rampant.

Yet, I also know plenty that should be able to get it but don't qualify because they don't cheat the system. Something about it needs to be done to be properly effective. I believe the system has it's place, but supplementing cashiers with three kids with a discount to a bar so a guy can get her drunk and knock her up with another kid is NOT what it should ever be used for.

Oooooh, check out that booty.

 

[danarhea]

Wilson says patrons will not be able to use their food stamps to buy alcoholic beverages. He says he hopes the novel approach will draw people to the club.

Human Resources Department spokesman Barry Sparks says the department does not approve of the promotion. He says food assistance benefits are meant to provide nourishment for hungry families.

OK, so you can't use food stamps to pay your way into the club, nor to buy alcoholic drinks. However, this promotion is just ****ing tacky. And, in my opinion, this promotion is racist, whether it is a white or a black businessman who is promoting it. Just look at the damn stereotypes in the poster.

 

[danarhea]

Hey, guess what I found? An event that is targeting white people. It says, "Show your American Express Platinum card at the door and get a discount". It shows a bunch of white people in bedsheets and hoods dancing around a burning cross. One of them is saying "Golly gee, what's cookin', baby?". :mrgreen:

 

[Republic Now!]

Young, Black & GettinMoney Promotions

This is the kind of crap that needs to be called out when we talk about racism in modern society. Even if it's not classically racist, this is the kind of crap that will most likely do the most damage to healthy function of society as it pertains to race.

 

[tessaesque]

Depressive, anxiety, factitious, somatic, substance abuse, and several other disorders probably need to be struck from the list of qualifying disorders. There are numerous that people can simply claim and get a diagnosis and then get disability status. Some people can come in and claim psychotic symptoms. There needs to have been a documented, unmistakable history of psychiatric commitments for psychotic issues before anyone be granted disability for it. Alleging "I hear voices" doesn't cut it. Anyone can claim that. It's just a matter of cleaning house. People with inarguably legitimate disabilities are being put at risk by the types of half-assed disorders people can exploit to get easy benefits. If you care about your dad's benefits, get serious about weeding out the malingerers.

I've seen first hand that depression can be 100% debilitating. I think, if anything, the processes for proving that your afflication is debilitating needs to be improved, but I don't think arbitrarily dismissing disorders is the means of correcting abuses.

There have been days when my anxiety has made it nearly impossible for me to leave my house. Only through force of will am I able to function when it peaks. Most people with anxiety aren't able to manage w/o medication, and some have trouble even with meds. It could definitely lead to somebody being unable to function in a work environment.

 

[Republic Now!]

Hey, guess what I found? An event that is targeting white people. It says, "Show your American Express Platinum card at the door and get a discount". It shows a bunch of white people in bedsheets and hoods dancing around a burning cross. One of them is saying "Golly gee, what's cookin', baby?". :mrgreen:

Will there be a cheese platter?

 

[danarhea]

Will there be a cheese platter?

No, but there will be plenty of crackers there. LOL.

 

[RadicalModerate]

I get what the flyer was going for. I know it sounds bad, but it's really more about a familiarity with where you come from. This sort of light treatment of welfare programs has more to do with the culture of lower-income urban people and less about being proud to use welfare. If you're on food stamps, you really can't afford $10-20 door fees at the club, so it's just a little joke about being too broke to hit the club.

Maybe it's in bad taste, I don't find it all that offensive, maybe a little crude. Stereotypical? I don't see that. It's like every other club promotion flyer I've seen.

 

[Neomalthusian]

I've seen first hand that depression can be 100% debilitating. I think, if anything, the processes for proving that your afflication is debilitating needs to be improved, but I don't think arbitrarily dismissing disorders is the means of correcting abuses.

There have been days when my anxiety has made it nearly impossible for me to leave my house. Only through force of will am I able to function when it peaks. Most people with anxiety aren't able to manage w/o medication, and some have trouble even with meds. It could definitely lead to somebody being unable to function in a work environment.

At face value there's no arguing with this. But depressive and anxiety disorders are too easily faked to be able to control for SSDI fraud. And depression is generally episodic and anxiety is the easiest condition to treat therapeutically.

It's easy to SAY we need to improve eligibility determinations and improve how we differentiate a malingerer from a genuinely disabled depressed/anxious person. Doing it is hardly possible. Too much self-report goes into diagnosis. Claim it, and it is so.

 

[tessaesque]

At face value there's no arguing with this. But depressive and anxiety disorders are too easily faked to be able to control for SSDI fraud. And depression is generally episodic and anxiety is the easiest condition to treat therapeutically.

It's easy to SAY we need to improve eligibility determinations and improve how we differentiate a malingerer from a genuinely disabled depressed/anxious person. Doing it is hardly possible. Too much self-report goes into diagnosis. Claim it, and it is so.

And the easiest solution is to require those claiming mental disorders to spend time with a licensed medical professional to determine legitimacy. I'm not so willing to cast people off merely because their disease is "episodic" or "easy to treat therapeutically".

You know who shouldn't be on SSDI? My mother. She receives $1500 a month in SSDI, plus other government assistance. Why? Because she's done so many drugs for so long that she is no longer capable of doing anything productive, both because of her mental state and her physical ill health. She completely destroy herself, and now the government rewards her every month with money to continue her bad habits and food stamps she can trade off for more drugs, in addition to "free" healthcare that will likely cost all of us thousands upon thousand of dollars (she's already been hospitalized once for almost a month due to a septic bowel since being on medicaid). She's the real abuser, somebody who made choices that destroyed her and now gets to continue that destruction with government approval, essentially.

 

[Gipper]

It's food stamp Friday. No wonder that black dude in the T-shirt is "raising the roof".

 

[MaggieD]

OK, so you can't use food stamps to pay your way into the club, nor to buy alcoholic drinks. However, this promotion is just ****ing tacky. And, in my opinion, this promotion is racist, whether it is a white or a black businessman who is promoting it. Just look at the damn stereotypes in the poster.

This is the kind of crap that needs to be called out when we talk about racism in modern society. Even if it's not classically racist, this is the kind of crap that will most likely do the most damage to healthy function of society as it pertains to race.

What is racist about this advertisement. I sure don't see it. I might raise my eyebrows about that flyer, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Aren't people on food stamps entitled to go out for a few drinks?

 

[notquiteright]

It is outrageous if you are looking to be outraged. Fraud and abuse of the system seems to depend on what part of the system you or ours uses. Food stamp cards can get you a small discount at a club, very bad. Disability through Social Security for 'depression' quite alright IF your kin are using it, very bad if they are not.

Probably more accurate is some will scoff at anything food stamp related that reinforces a stereotype they think is true.

Many two income families qualify for food stamp assistance, the food stamp card can't be used inside the club so no tax dollars are used, something 'conservatives' wail about, the 'waste' of tax money on food stamps, so if they were a tad bit truer to their 'beliefs' then if no taxpayer money is being spent who giveza****?

So thinking there is more bias than principled umbrage in this thread.

 

[Republic Now!]

What is racist about this advertisement. I sure don't see it. I might raise my eyebrows about that flyer, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Aren't people on food stamps entitled to go out for a few drinks?

I clarified that is wasn't classically racist, I more accurately said it was damaging to function to society as it pertains to race. There is a culture perpetuated which marginalizes the accomplishments and intelligence of young African Americans and this is just one example.

Hey, you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. I grew up in predominately black neighborhood. The culture is corrosive.

 

[Slartibartfast]

When I first saw this, I thought it was a joke then I found the places Facebook page and this article:
'Food Stamp Friday' At Alabama Rose Supper Club Grants Needy Reduced Cover Charge

View attachment 67125451

So I posted in another thread before about the many abuses to our system. This just epitomizes it. This club is asking people to flaunt that they are taking advantage. Oh, and yeah they probably will show up with their brand new Androids and iPhones. White, black, or hispanic this is annoying to me. I have seen the abuses of the system several times, and despite abuse being down (according to government) since 1999, it is likely far more rampant.

Yet, I also know plenty that should be able to get it but don't qualify because they don't cheat the system. Something about it needs to be done to be properly effective. I believe the system has it's place, but supplementing cashiers with three kids with a discount to a bar so a guy can get her drunk and knock her up with another kid is NOT what it should ever be used for.

Too bad we don't audit people in the program. This sort of thing would be the perfect red flag.

 

[Deuce]

Wait. They can't buy alcohol with the food stamps, so where's the abuse, again? A ****ty marketing campaign does not make one guilty of defrauding the taxpayers.

Too bad we don't audit people in the program. This sort of thing would be the perfect red flag.

No it ****ing wouldn't because there isn't any fraud here.

 

[ChuckBerry]

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The second spelling of "promotions" is misspelled.

"performances" is misspelled.

"deuce" is misspelled. "komrads" being artistic license I'll let that one go.

 

[Deuce]

The second spelling of "promotions" is misspelled.

"performances" is misspelled.

"deuce" is misspelled. "komrads" being artistic license I'll let that one go.

"Deuce" was already taken so he had to misspell it for copyright purposes. :mrgreen:

 

[Gipper]

Wait. They can't buy alcohol with the food stamps, so where's the abuse, again?

You cannot be this ignorant.

 

[Neomalthusian]

And the easiest solution is to require those claiming mental disorders to spend time with a licensed medical professional to determine legitimacy.

They don't already? Jeez, this situation is worse than I thought.

What incentive do a licensed medical professionals across the country have not to nudge their diagnoses a little higher in severity? The stronger the diagnosis, the more justified the professional is to bill a third party for reimbursement, and the more justified s/he is to use a wider range of psychotropic drugs to treat it, and the happier the patient who comes in and alleges "I can't work, the depression's too bad!" will be when the doctor takes him/her seriously.

I'm not so willing to cast people off merely because their disease is "episodic" or "easy to treat therapeutically".

Why not? We don't allege disability due to colds or flus or other illnesses that clear.

You know who shouldn't be on SSDI? My mother. She receives $1500 a month in SSDI, plus other government assistance. Why? Because she's done so many drugs for so long that she is no longer capable of doing anything productive, both because of her mental state and her physical ill health. She completely destroy herself, and now the government rewards her every month with money to continue her bad habits and food stamps she can trade off for more drugs, in addition to "free" healthcare that will likely cost all of us thousands upon thousand of dollars (she's already been hospitalized once for almost a month due to a septic bowel since being on medicaid). She's the real abuser, somebody who made choices that destroyed her and now gets to continue that destruction with government approval, essentially.

I can feel your frustration, in multiple ways.

 

[Republic Now!]

They don't already? Jeez, this situation is worse than I thought.

Well, they require an evaluation by a licensed professional.

Though that evaluation rarely decides whether or not one gets benefits.