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"Improvement" in this scenario is a very subjective term. Changing from more agrarian to manufacturing and saying that "look, they make more money now" is an improvement... well that is up for debate. More money does not exactly mean someone is doing better.

Wait...doesn't that essentially kill the whole argument for living wages, then? I mean, if higher pay doesn't improve lives...
 
Gotta love documentaries. They allow everyone to feel morally superior to the Right.

Is that what Ben Stein was doing with his documentary? Making everyone feel morally superior to the Right?
 
Oh, this is cute.

Again: do you have links to back up any of your so-far unsubstantiated, hyperbolic claims?

Do your own research on how chinese sweat shops dont pay anything resembling fair wages. Go look up how that affects pricing of products and how american companies paying a decent wage with benefits can't compete with companies paying less than a dollar an hour. Go look up the number of businesses that went under because walmart came to town. Go look up walmarts employee pay and benefits. Google can help you quite a bit. If you dont like google yahoo has a search engine too.
 
You know, I wish politics would keep its head out of business.

That's funny. I wish business would keep it's head out of politics.
 
Is that what Ben Stein was doing with his documentary? Making everyone feel morally superior to the Right?

He made that monstrosity to make him and his Intelligent Design colleagues feel morally superior to the Left.

Most of those stylized documentaries come from the Left. It still carries with it a sense of intellectual pedigree, even though it rarely does anymore.
 
Wait...doesn't that essentially kill the whole argument for living wages, then? I mean, if higher pay doesn't improve lives...

No. It doesn't. Our society is money driven. He is stating the people are doing better because we are modifying a society to be more like westernized markets means they are doing better. That's unprovable. It's like saying that some middle-class family is "doing better" than the Amish family in Pennsylvania because they make more money. More money in that scenario doesn't indicate "doing better."
 
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While not limited to Walmart by any means Walmart is one of the biggest contributors to the problem. They are in part the reason we have hundreds of billions in trade deficits to countries with cheap labor and lax labor laws.
That's absurd. Companies of all sizes pursue cheaper labor, it's dumb, bad business not to. The fact that Walmart is one of the "biggest contributors" is because it's one of the biggest employers.

Once this happened competition would slowly start to creep back in but generally they would have several years with little to no contenders in which they could make a significant profit. When profits started to suffer from added competition they would simply reestablish the tactic driving adversaries away again.
It's textbook behavior. What shoudl they do, simply let competitors eat their market share? What kind of business person are you?
So shop on Amazon or Target, I do, wtf.
 
to me it is not ok to force people to work inhumanely in sweapshops so i can save a few cents and walmart management can get rich.

The overwhelming majority of those people aren't being forced to work there.
They choose too, instead of being prostitutes or starving to death.
 
Thanks but nothing you will ever say or do wiill ever change my opinion of Walmart.

You are honest in your religious zeal! Your head is air-tight, nothings getting in, that's got to be a good thing, right?
 
Do your own research on how chinese sweat shops dont pay anything resembling fair wages. Go look up how that affects pricing of products and how american companies paying a decent wage with benefits can't compete with companies paying less than a dollar an hour. Go look up the number of businesses that went under because walmart came to town. Go look up walmarts employee pay and benefits. Google can help you quite a bit. If you dont like google yahoo has a search engine too.

Fair is a subjective term, you can't tease out what is fair, by simply saying, "it's not fair."

So effing what, businesses fail all the time, for a variety of reasons.
Why should local businesses be favored anymore than any other business?

Walmart pays a decent wage, for the work being done.
It's not rocket surgery, Walmart jobs just aren't that demanding in physical or mental effort.
 
You are honest in your religious zeal! Your head is air-tight, nothings getting in, that's got to be a good thing, right?

It works for me. I am open minded about many things. Walmart being scum and the reason for the worlds economic problems is not something I am open to suggestion on.
 
So your justifying exploiting the poor and vulnerable in other countries to keep your pricing down?

Crazy thought, isn't it? You'd think that everyone who read the Cost of a Twinkie essay or anything like it would be horrified and want to radically change course, huh?
 
That's absurd. Companies of all sizes pursue cheaper labor, it's dumb, bad business not to. The fact that Walmart is one of the "biggest contributors" is because it's one of the biggest employers.


It's textbook behavior. What shoudl they do, simply let competitors eat their market share? What kind of business person are you?
So shop on Amazon or Target, I do, wtf.

Well they could stop funding anti-environmental, anti-fair trade and anti-union politicians to make sure they can exploit people and resources. That'd be a good start. Then they could play on a level field with their competitors rather than using their political muscle and money muscle to thwart competition.
 
So your justifying exploiting the poor and vulnerable in other countries to keep your pricing down?

Right.
Why is it exploitation?

Is someone not being a child prostitute an improvement or a detriment?
Do you know that emerging economies can't just jump from mass poverty, to American standards of wealth and living?
 
The overwhelming majority of those people aren't being forced to work there.
They choose too, instead of being prostitutes or starving to death.

Not the case so much in smaller towns where they become nearly the only game in town after they killed off your former job.
 
Fair is a subjective term, you can't tease out what is fair, by simply saying, "it's not fair."

So effing what, businesses fail all the time, for a variety of reasons.
Why should local businesses be favored anymore than any other business?

Because it helps the locals more which is kind of what life is all about.

Walmart pays a decent wage, for the work being done.
It's not rocket surgery, Walmart jobs just aren't that demanding in physical or mental effort.

My Sam's club job was rather physically demanding. Go sign up to work a night in the giant cooler and tell me about your sore muscles the next day after working just one pallet of cheese.
 
Not the case so much in smaller towns where they become nearly the only game in town after they killed off your former job.

Are people only limited to working in their town?
Do these people not have transportation?

I'm not so sure you live in the United States that the rest of us do.
By the way, jobs come and go, you aren't supposed to necessarily work at the same place all your life.
Get over it.
 
Right.
Why is it exploitation?

Is someone not being a child prostitute an improvement or a detriment?
Do you know that emerging economies can't just jump from mass poverty, to American standards of wealth and living?

You do realize that American wealth is dwindling don't you? Via channels like Walmart more and more of our money is on its way over to these emerging economies. Me personally I would like to see America continue to grow for future generations rather than destory our own economy for my own slight benefit now.
 
"Improvement" in this scenario is a very subjective term. Changing from more agrarian to manufacturing and saying that "look, they make more money now" is an improvement... well that is up for debate. More money does not exactly mean someone is doing better.

Very good point. I read a news piece back in the 90's that showed what some of these businesses were capable of. They would decide to build a manufacturing plant at X location where the average citizen may have a income of $2 USD per day. They would then offer $4 USD per day which in its self may seem a boon and had people lining up for it. What most failed to see or report is these businesses would then either purchase or negotiate with other busnisses (for a cut) in the area to raise prices on essentials foods/cloths/ect which nullified any wage increase the new plant offered and in many cases lowered the living conditions below previous levels. This left people without the option of returning to their former lives but instead forced them to remain employed by the new factories or starve. So while people may say "at least these people can now make more then before" it does not raise their quality of lives any.
 
Because it helps the locals more which is kind of what life is all about.

How does it help locals more?

My Sam's club job was rather physically demanding. Go sign up to work a night in the giant cooler and tell me about your sore muscles the next day after working just one pallet of cheese.

I've done that type of work.
I graduated into factory labor and warehousing.
I don't need a lame Walmart job.
 
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