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Democrats boycott Coke, Walmart over voter ID laws

muciti said:
Do your own research on how chinese sweat shops dont pay anything resembling fair wages. Go look up how that affects pricing of products and how american companies paying a decent wage with benefits can't compete with companies paying less than a dollar an hour. Go look up the number of businesses that went under because walmart came to town. Go look up walmarts employee pay and benefits. Google can help you quite a bit. If you dont like google yahoo has a search engine too.
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Hi, this is the real world. In the real world you're responsible for defending your ridiculous, moronic claims. Forgive me if I (and others) refuse to take seriously any post filled with unsupported, exaggerated, nonsensical conjecture and assumption. If you want to convince people of your view (and I would assume you would, based on the oh-so-passionate presentation), you would do well to invest the time in actually proving your point. But since you've obviously decided to avoid providing proof, I'll just go on assuming you are completely, wholeheartedly, and almost unabashedly incorrect.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
How does it help locals more?



I've done that type of work.
I graduated into factory labor and warehousing.
I don't need a lame Walmart job.
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You dont need a lame walmart job yet. Wait till they run a few thousand more business out of the US. Pretty soon you wont have a choice.
 
muciti said:
You do realize that American wealth is dwindling don't you? Via channels like Walmart more and more of our money is on its way over to these emerging economies. Me personally I would like to see America continue to grow for future generations rather than destory our own economy for my own slight benefit now.
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Wealth is in constant flux.
Do people in emerging economies not deserve to improve their living standards.
On one hand you say it exploits those people, now you're saying they're taking our money.

Your "care" for them seems to be superficial.
 
tessaesque said:
Hi, this is the real world. In the real world you're responsible for defending your ridiculous, moronic claims. Forgive me if I (and others) refuse to take seriously any post filled with unsupported, exaggerated, nonsensical conjecture and assumption. If you want to convince people of your view (and I would assume you would, based on the oh-so-passionate presentation), you would do will to invest the time in actually proving your point. But since you've obviously decided to avoid providing proof, I'll just go on assuming you are completely, wholeheartedly, and almost unabashedly incorrect.
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If you want some information, you can look it up. Dont make demands of me because your lazy. The information is there if you wanted to see it.
 
muciti said:
they do it by encouraging sweat shops and extreme poverty and horrid working conditions for people all over the world. They do it by taking over towns economies and forcing their competition to shut down. They do it by ruinging small businesses. They do it by treating their employees like utter **** with crap wages and even ****tier benefits. They do it by selling the lowest quality of products imaginable. Walmart incorporates every dirty tactic they can to benefit themselves. Walmart is why our economy, and much of the worlds economy is going to ****. Nothing walmart does benefits humanity in any way.
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You have...displeased...the Walmart.
Zyphlin's Law​

While in general I wouldn't shed a huge tear if Walmart went away (Well, until you need new glasses late at night. Where else are you going to get new glasses at that hour?), I don't think this boycott will do much good. I think too many people in general, especially in smaller towns, see Walmart as too easy of a convienence to disregard for political reasons.

And yeah, Coke's not going to get hurt. May as well boycott McDonald's while you're at it.
 
muciti said:
You dont need a lame walmart job yet. Wait till they run a few thousand more business out of the US. Pretty soon you wont have a choice.
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If I have to work there, I already know it will be easy.

See, funny thing is happening around here.
Manufacturing is growing.
Guess I have more choices than Walmart.
 
poweRob said:
Not the case so much in smaller towns where they become nearly the only game in town after they killed off your former job.
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You just moved the goal posts. Harry's response was in regards to somebody else's statement of "forced labor" in sweatshops. Or are you now calling Wal-Mart employees in the U.S. employees of "sweatshops"?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Right.
Why is it exploitation?

Is someone not being a child prostitute an improvement or a detriment?
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You are making a false comparison to make your point. Prove that Chinese manufacturing jobs lowered child prostitution in that country. You don't help your argument when you make hyperbolistic fabrications like that.

Harry Guerrilla said:
Do you know that emerging economies can't just jump from mass poverty, to American standards of wealth and living?
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The thing is, you are assuming that being more westernized is "better for them".


"Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money" ~ Cree Indian Proverb​


When you stop trying to apply your American dream to everyone else as a standard, then you'll realize that "living better" for everyone isn't living more like you. Also, what is happening is that we are lowering our nation's standards in concert with trying to impose our standards of living on others. Not cool at all. If they want to be more like us, then they should meet our workers and environmental standards. Not us dropping to their third world emerging economy wages.
 
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muciti said:
You do realize that American wealth is dwindling don't you? Via channels like Walmart more and more of our money is on its way over to these emerging economies. Me personally I would like to see America continue to grow for future generations rather than destory our own economy for my own slight benefit now.
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First we pay them nothing and we're exploiting them, but now we're paying them enough that we're killing off all our wealth? Which is it? Seems pretty damn hard to be both.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Are people only limited to working in their town?
Do these people not have transportation?

I'm not so sure you live in the United States that the rest of us do.
By the way, jobs come and go, you aren't supposed to necessarily work at the same place all your life.
Get over it.
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That whole schpeil of "they should just move" is always thrown out there by libertarians until it hits them and their family's traditions and generations of living on that land.
 
muciti said:
If you want some information, you can look it up. Dont make demands of me because your lazy. The information is there if you wanted to see it.
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Apparently it's not, because I can return no google results of any legitimacy for "wal-mart is destroying america" or "killing of wal-mart will save america" or "killing off wal-mart would bring manufacturing back to america"....

So...your move. Go ahead and prove ANY of the bullcrap you've posted in this thread. Even one tiny little point.
 
Baralis said:
Very good point. I read a news piece back in the 90's that showed what some of these businesses were capable of. They would decide to build a manufacturing plant at X location where the average citizen may have a income of $2 USD per day. They would then offer $4 USD per day which in its self may seem a boon and had people lining up for it. What most failed to see or report is these businesses would then either purchase or negotiate with other busnisses (for a cut) in the area to raise prices on essentials foods/cloths/ect which nullified any wage increase the new plant offered and in many cases lowered the living conditions below previous levels. This left people without the option of returning to their former lives but instead forced them to remain employed by the new factories or starve. So while people may say "at least these people can now make more then before" it does not raise their quality of lives any.
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That used to be called "the coal miner's trap" where a coal mining town would be under the thumb of the coal mining company and they'd pay you slightly less than what they know you'd have to spend at the store... yes... owned by the coal mining company. Therefore you'd always be in debt to the coal mining company.

Ernie Ford's song "16 tons" was specifically about that.


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poweRob said:
You are making a false comparison to make your point. Prove that Chinese manufacturing jobs lowered child prostitution in that country. You don't help your argument when you make hyperbolistic fabrications like that.
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I'll have to find it, but there was a ban on child labor, in Bangladesh, IIRC and the rate of child prostitution went up.
Very interesting find.

But none the less, there are proven statistics on poverty in other nations.
About half the worlds population lives on $2 or less a day.
Spending 70% of their income on food.
Allowing them and yes even their children to work, builds wealth for those impoverished individuals.

poweRob said:
The thing is, you are assuming that being more westernized is "better for them".
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Who said anything about changing their culture.
We're talking about, not denying them opportunity based on some subjective view of exploitation.

poweRob said:
"Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money" ~ Cree Indian Proverb​
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Meaningless quote.

poweRob said:
When you stop trying to apply your American dream to everyone else as a standard, then you'll realize that "living better" for everyone isn't living more like you. Also, what is happening is that we are lowering our nation's standards in concert with trying to impose our standards of living on others. Not cool at all. If they want to be more like us, then they should meet our workers and environmental standards. Not us dropping to their third world emerging economy wages.
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I don't expect anyone to "live like me" just don't cry like a baby, if your Walmart job doesn't pay enough.
It's a basic job, not requiring any real specialized knowledge or abilities.

You can't expect emerging economies to be able to instantly adopt American standards.
It's not possible and just a retarded attempt at American protectionism.
 
This reminds me of how the OWS movement boycotted other businesses. It didn't end well, and only hurt their cause.

The same will probably hold true for these shmucks as well.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
How does it help locals more?
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Far more of the money spent locally stays local then if you buy at a giant retail store which funnels as much as they can back to HQ... Bentonville, AR in this case.

Harry Guerrilla said:
I've done that type of work.
I graduated into factory labor and warehousing.
I don't need a lame Walmart job.
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That doesn't belay the point that it is in fact hard physical labor. Which is what you are implying it wasn't in the thread I was replying to.
 
Porchev said:
Democratic officials Wednesday launched a two-pronged attack on states with new laws requiring identification before voting, the highlight being a call to boycott Coke, Walmart and others that back a leading organization pushing for voter ID laws.
Democrats boycott Coke, Walmart over voter ID laws | Washington Examiner

Voter ID laws seem common sense to me. It creates more confidence in the election results and reduces fraudulent voting.

This push to boycott Walmart just makes me want to go there right now and buy several things. To start I could use some more ammo…9mm, 7.62 x 39mm, .308, and some shotgun shells.
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- 11% of Americans (21 million American adult citizens in 2000) don't have picture IDs according to a survey conducted by Brennan Center for Justice, NYU, 2006

- 18% of all seniors don't have picture IDs (seniors traditionally have been the most consistent voting group)

- 25% of African-Americans don't have picture IDs (in 2008, the rate of black turnout virtually equaled that of whites for the first time)

- young adults aged 18 to 24 (in 2008, turnout of under-24-year-olds reached its highest rate since 1992)

Can our conservative "friends" prove that that voter fraud is so widespread that it warrants dispensing with 11% of the electorate?

Or is this more likely a thinly veiled attempt to target African-Americans and young adults aged 18 to 24, groups that just happen to be traditional Democratic supporters?

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006...some-wont-vote
 
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poweRob said:
That whole schpeil of "they should just move" is always thrown out there by libertarians until it hits them and their family's traditions and generations of living on that land.
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You're not entitled to live somewhere forever, within your traditions, just because.
You can't feed yourself, you need to find an alternative and not wallow in your misery.
It's very unproductive.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Wealth is in constant flux.
Do people in emerging economies not deserve to improve their living standards.
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There it goes again. Another claim of "improving" people because they need to live more like us. I'd rather our economies and governments be focused on improving our lives and standards first and foremost. If they want to be more like us, then they need to raise their standards to ours. Instead we apply free trade policies which lowers out standards to meet theirs. I'm not on board with you there.
 
jgarden47 said:
- 11% of Americans (21 million American adult citizens in 2000) don't have picture IDs according to a survey conducted by Brennan Center for Justice, NYU, 2006

- 18% of all seniors don't have picture IDs (seniors traditionally have been the most consistent voting group)

- 25% of African-Americans don't have picture IDs (in 2008, the rate of black turnout virtually equaled that of whites for the first time)

- young adults aged 18 to 24 (in 2008, turnout of under-24-year-olds reached its highest rate since 1992)

Can our conservative "friends" prove that that voter fraud is so widespread that it warrants dispensing with 11% of the electorate?
Or is this more likely a thinly veiled attempt to target African-Americans and young adults aged 18 to 24, groups that just happen to be traditional Democratic supporters?

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006...some-wont-vote
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Can you prove that creating a voter ID law would "dispense of 11% of the electorate"? It's pretty dumb to assume that the 11% w/o idea would be unable to acquire ID in a timely manner prior to the next election cycle, assuming, of course, that the next election cycle isn't say...tomorrow.
 
tessaesque said:
You just moved the goal posts. Harry's response was in regards to somebody else's statement of "forced labor" in sweatshops. Or are you now calling Wal-Mart employees in the U.S. employees of "sweatshops"?
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The sweatshops were a reference to China I do believe. Not here.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I'll have to find it, but there was a ban on child labor, in Bangladesh, IIRC and the rate of child prostitution went up.
Very interesting find.

But none the less, there are proven statistics on poverty in other nations.
About half the worlds population lives on $2 or less a day.
Spending 70% of their income on food.
Allowing them and yes even their children to work, builds wealth for those impoverished individuals.



Who said anything about changing their culture.
We're talking about, not denying them opportunity based on some subjective view of exploitation.



Meaningless quote.



I don't expect anyone to "live like me" just don't cry like a baby, if your Walmart job doesn't pay enough.
It's a basic job, not requiring any real specialized knowledge or abilities.

You can't expect emerging economies to be able to instantly adopt American standards.
It's not possible and just a retarded attempt at American protectionism.
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Your whole premise is that more money means better living no matter where in the world you are AND that $1 here =$1 everywhere. We are lowering our standards. Our policies should be for American standards first and foremost. You and your policies embrace lowering our standards more than "raising" their standards.
 
jgarden47 said:
- 11% of Americans (21 million American adult citizens in 2000) don't have picture IDs according to a survey conducted by Brennan Center for Justice, NYU, 2006

- 18% of all seniors don't have picture IDs (seniors traditionally have been the most consistent voting group)

- 25% of African-Americans don't have picture IDs (in 2008, the rate of black turnout virtually equaled that of whites for the first time)

- young adults aged 18 to 24 (in 2008, turnout of under-24-year-olds reached its highest rate since 1992)

Can our conservative "friends" prove that that voter fraud is so widespread that it warrants dispensing with 11% of the electorate?

Or is this more likely a thinly veiled attempt to target African-Americans and young adults aged 18 to 24, groups that just happen to be traditional Democratic supporters?

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006...some-wont-vote
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Eggggzactly. Great post!
 
poweRob said:
Far more of the money spent locally stays local then if you buy at a giant retail store which funnels as much as they can back to HQ... Bentonville, AR in this case.
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Why should money stay local?
What does it matter?

If everyone did as you say, local economies couldn't grow, nor could they have access to resources outside of local access.
Your view is incredibly short sited.

poweRob said:
That doesn't belay the point that it is in fact hard physical labor. Which is what you are implying it wasn't in the thread I was replying to.
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It doesn't require much more than, can do basic counting, reading and lifting some sorta heavy stuff.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You're not entitled to live somewhere forever, within your traditions, just because.
You can't feed yourself, you need to find an alternative and not wallow in your misery.
It's very unproductive.
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Never said anyone was "entitled" (a favorite right-wing term always bandy'd about pointlessly) to live somewhere forever. Your straw men are getting even bigger making your point even smaller.
 
I realize this has turned into an anti-WalMart rant, but I'd like to address the OP issue. It is absolutely ludicrous to boycott any company because they agree with legislation passed by any state. Ludicrous. I don't even get this ID-to-vote flap in the first place. Of course people should present valid photo ID to vote, just like they have to present one to fly, open a bank account, verify a check, any number of things that ordinary citizens and legal immigrants have to do in everyday life.

I mean, dude! Are "democrats" trying to say that unless we give every warm body that shows up at the polls a ballot, we are "oppressing" people? Come on! We might as well send absentee ballots to every adult in this hemesphere and half of Europe so they too can have a say in who we elect.

As for WalMart, boycott if you want. WalMart won't really feel it. My sister-in-law has worked for WalMart for 20 years, ever since she grew old enough that nobody else would hire her. She's been given good benefits, including health insurance (which she has frequently needed, since she's much older than my husband and still must support herself) and a regular paycheck. When she wanted to move closer to her eldest daughter's family, WalMart accommodated her with a transfer to the nearly store. So y'all do what you want, but villainizing a single corporate outlet while ignoring tens of thousands of others doing business in similar fashion is just dumb, IMHO.
 
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