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Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

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It is fantastic to hear this. It would be even better if it's not a 5-4 Decision to strike the mandate, but I don't think that's going to be likely.



...JUSTICE KENNEDY: But the reason, the reason this is concerning, is because it requires the individual to do an affirmative act. In the law of torts our tradition, our law, has been that you don't have the duty to rescue someone if that person is in danger. The blind man is walking in front of a car and you do not have a duty to stop him absent some relation between you. And there is some severe moral criticisms of that rule, but that's generally the rule.

And here the government is saying that the Federal Government has a duty to tell the individual citizen that it must act, and that is different from what we have in previous cases and that changes the relationship of the Federal Government to the individual in the very fundamental way.

[video=youtube;M3Vn7ZVvSPE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M3Vn7ZVvSPE#t=0s[/video]
 
Where is the second part of the hearing when he begins to acknowledge the benefits of the mandate? They grilled the both sides equally, like any responsible justice would proceed to do. Only one half of the story....it could almost be a Fox News report.
 
Even Toobin over at TPM said it looks like a trainwreck for the administration on the mandate.

Toobin: 'This Law Looks Like It's Going To Be Struck Down' | TPM Livewire

Scotusblog said it was a bad day for the Obama team.
Argument recap: It is Kennedy’s call (FINAL UPDATE 3:14 pm) : SCOTUSblog

Its probably going to come down to Kennedy again.
The larger problem is if they strike down the mandate and leave the regulations in place, the insurance companies will file suit because they will be forced out of business without the mandate. The mandate on the other hand unfairly burdens those in good health especially in their 20s where health insurance usually is a precaution more than a neccessity.
 
Where is the second part of the hearing when he begins to acknowledge the benefits of the mandate? They grilled the both sides equally, like any responsible justice would proceed to do. Only one half of the story....it could almost be a Fox News report.
If the court decides that the mandate oversteps legal boundaries then the benefits are completely irrelevant. The court hearing isn't a cost-benefit analysis, it's strictly a legal matter.
 
Even Toobin over at TPM said it looks like a trainwreck for the administration on the mandate.

Toobin: 'This Law Looks Like It's Going To Be Struck Down' | TPM Livewire

Scotusblog said it was a bad day for the Obama team.
Argument recap: It is Kennedy’s call (FINAL UPDATE 3:14 pm) : SCOTUSblog

Its probably going to come down to Kennedy again.
The larger problem is if they strike down the mandate and leave the regulations in place, the insurance companies will file suit because they will be forced out of business without the mandate. The mandate on the other hand unfairly burdens those in good health especially in their 20s where health insurance usually is a precaution more than a neccessity.


The stench of the crap created by the New Deal courts come back to haunt us.
 
Where is the second part of the hearing when he begins to acknowledge the benefits of the mandate? They grilled the both sides equally, like any responsible justice would proceed to do. Only one half of the story....it could almost be a Fox News report.

benefits should play no role

either congress has the power or it doesn't. and but for the stench of the wickard v. Filburn, we'd never be saddled with this sort of unconstitutional nonsense
 
benefits should play no role

either congress has the power or it doesn't. and but for the stench of the wickard v. Filburn, we'd never be saddled with this sort of unconstitutional nonsense

Weird how it only became unconstitutional when Democrats supported it.
 
Weird how it only became unconstitutional when Democrats supported it.
Ever heard of a bridge too far?
The Affordable HealthCare Act was that bridge.

If you check you will find that Wickard v Filburn is an outlier position for its time yet, its been used as the basis for every government over reach since then. This is even further outside the scope than that was.

Btw, "your side does it too"? Lame. Get a real argument.
 
Ever heard of a bridge too far?
The Affordable HealthCare Act was that bridge.

If you check you will find that Wickard v Filburn is an outlier position for its time yet, its been used as the basis for every government over reach since then. This is even further outside the scope than that was.

Btw, "your side does it too"? Lame. Get a real argument.

I have also heard of the bridge to nowhere, it was fully supported by many in the GOP....
The fact is, health care reform was pushed by Hillary, then an alternative plan by the GOP, then dropped for a while, then resurrected, and now in danger of a death sentence with the GOP being the hangman....of one of its own children...
 
Weird how it only became unconstitutional when Democrats supported it.

half the stuff the dems and the gop does is unconstitutional
 
Ever heard of a bridge too far?
The Affordable HealthCare Act was that bridge.

If you check you will find that Wickard v Filburn is an outlier position for its time yet, its been used as the basis for every government over reach since then. This is even further outside the scope than that was.

Btw, "your side does it too"? Lame. Get a real argument.

we need to get a time machine and go back in history and hang the justices who created that abomination for crimes against humanity and the constitution
 
Weird how it only became unconstitutional when Democrats supported it.

:roll: yeah because the GOP would never do something idiotic and unconstitutional. coughautobailoutscough.
 
United States v. Lopez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Apparently in this case they decided that Filburn had gone was too far.
From your link:
Lopez moved to dismiss the indictment on the ground that §922(q) of the Act was "unconstitutional as it is beyond the power of Congress to legislate control over our public schools." The trial court denied the motion, ruling that §922(q) was "a constitutional exercise of Congress' well defined power to regulate activities in and affecting commerce, and the 'business' of elementary, middle and high schools... affects interstate commerce."

...

To sustain the Act, the Government was obligated[5] to show that §922(q) was a valid exercise of the Congressional Commerce Clause power, i.e. that the section regulated a matter which "affected" (or "substantially affected"[6]) interstate commerce.[7]

The Government's principal argument was that the possession of a firearm in an educational environment would most likely lead to a violent crime, which in turn would affect the general economic condition in two ways. First, because violent crime causes harm and creates expense, it raises insurance costs, which are spread throughout the economy; and second, by limiting the willingness to travel in the area perceived to be unsafe. The Government also argued that the presence of firearms within a school would be seen as dangerous, resulting in students' being scared and disturbed; this would, in turn, inhibit learning; and this, in turn, would lead to a weaker national economy since education is clearly a crucial element of the nation's financial health.
Oh, my God... what a stretch. :doh Crap like that makes my head hurt.

I swear, we have orangutans for judges.
 
Common sense should be the FIRST requirement of any supreme court justice,

but it would appear that these folks are willing to bend and/or stretch even REALITY to suit their ideology.
 
Weird how it only became unconstitutional when Democrats supported it.
It never went up to the supreme court, and the republican party was certaintly not unanimous. Right now, all you have is an argument from partisanship to defend this bill with. So to that, I ask, are you ****ing joking?
 
Common sense should be the FIRST requirement of any supreme court justice,

but it would appear that these folks are willing to bend and/or stretch even REALITY to suit their ideology.

Thus, my sig.
 
Yes, strike the mandate, piss off the liberals, take back the house, keep the White House, and let's get a single payer system up in this bitch!!!


A girl can hope at least.
 
Yes, strike the mandate, piss off the liberals, take back the house, keep the White House, and let's get a single payer system up in this bitch!!!


A girl can hope at least.

There isn't going to be any single payer system. That was killed long ago.
 
Yes, strike the mandate, piss off the liberals, take back the house, keep the White House, and let's get a single payer system up in this bitch!!!


A girl can hope at least.
I thought liberals were always pissed off?
:cool:
 
It is fantastic to hear this. It would be even better if it's not a 5-4 Decision to strike the mandate, but I don't think that's going to be likely.







Sounds like Justice Kennedy has the same concerns around 60% of the public have concerning this HC law.
 
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