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Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

I saw all sorts of folks wearing hoodies today. black, white, asian.

no one thought any of them looked scary. they werre just trying to stay warm. and maybe have a little privacy.
 
I saw all sorts of folks wearing hoodies today. black, white, asian.

no one thought any of them looked scary. they werre just trying to stay warm. and maybe have a little privacy.
What is your point?

Trayvon was not found to be suspicious because of his hood.

Trayvon pulled his hood up only after he saw he was being observed by Zimmerman.


His hoodie has nothing to do with this event.
 
What is your point?

Trayvon was not found to be suspicious because of his hood.

Trayvon pulled his hood up only after he saw he was being observed by Zimmerman.


His hoodie has nothing to do with this event.

its the cause of it, according to Gerald Rivera.
 
It just doesn't work like that, out here in the real world.

If you see some white dude in overalls, dirty boots, foo-man-chu mustache, probably dipping snuff and a greasy baseball cap, you're going to automatically sterotype him as a racist redneck and treat him differently than you would someone else presenting themselves in a different way. And, please, don't insult our intelligence and say that you wouldn't, because we all know better.

Everyone is prejudice. Libbos do more to keep prejudice and racism alive than any other group in this country.

Psssssst - I'm not going to pull out a gun and shoot him. I won't even care what he looks like as long as he minds his own business and I mind mine. Did Zimmerman do the same?
 
However, he maintained that Martin's hoodie was to blame for his death



Actually his point is. is that certain articles of clothing represent a certain element in society, and if you dress like that element, may just end up being viewed and treated as that element.

His point is reality, right or wrong, it's reality.....

I didn't realize a simple hoodie was a gangster thing, My last encounter with evil hoodies was white connecticut straight edge kids at the anthrax.... :Shrug:
 
Actually his point is. is that certain articles of clothing represent a certain element in society, and if you dress like that element, may just end up being viewed and treated as that element....

a hooded sweatshirt, represents criminals?

sounds like a pretty ignorant POV.
 
a hooded sweatshirt, represents criminals?

sounds like a pretty ignorant POV.




If there is a perception that an item of clothing represents something, for example a barbour jacket at an english football game, or a pair of doc martins and a flight jacket on the lower east side, or say a 3 patched jacket while riding a harley....

all of these things send a message to both within an outlaw society, and to the observers on the outside. If the current trend among people is to view the hoodie as gangster attire, that is the reality, ignorant or not.....

Geraldo's point is that in current society, in some locations, black men wearing hoodies sends a certain message about who you are. The same way a 4 ft red mohwak might still send a message about who you are....


One should look at reality over emotion.

Now do I think Geraldo has taken it to far? perhaps, I wasn't aware the hoodie itself pushed a certain image. but if it does, and this is how kids get judged, his point does make sense. Though again poorly delivered.
 
i was on 6th ave and 17th street yesterday.

and on the F train.

lots of adults & kids wearing hoodies.

were they all criminals?

is it rational & logical for anyone to even assume such a stupid thing?
 
i was on 6th ave and 17th street yesterday.

and on the F train.

lots of adults & kids wearing hoodies.

were they all criminals?

is it rational & logical for anyone to even assume such a stupid thing?



It's common sense, I wouldn't expect you to get it, kid. You of course, since you can't actually debate, instead choose to twist words and take context and piss all over it, in order to have a dishonest argument. Sorry, bra, not playin.



I wear a hoodie. Many people do, however if you dress a certain way, people may just judge you that way. Simple concept, I am sorry it's not simple enough for you.

L8
 
It's common sense, I wouldn't expect you to get it, kid. You of course, since you can't actually debate....


calling me a "kid", and then accusing me of not being able to debate, is pretty ****ing ironic.

stick to the topic, and stop personalizing the debate.
 
calling me a "kid", and then accusing me of not being able to debate, is pretty ****ing ironic.

stick to the topic, and stop personalizing the debate.


I did, I posted my position, you lied about it in your peurile response, as usual. Don't you have work to do?
 
I did, I posted my position, you lied about it in your peurile response, as usual. Don't you have work to do?

when I do my work, how I do my work, is none of your ****ing business and totally irrelevant to this thread.

your inability to stick to any topic, and insistence on ALWAYS personalizing the argument and making childish personal attacks, shows how little respect you have for these issues.

I'm embarrassed for you.
 
when I do my work, how I do my work, is none of your ****ing business and totally irrelevant to this thread.

your inability to stick to any topic, and insistence on ALWAYS personalizing the argument and making childish personal attacks, shows how little respect you have for these issues.

I'm embarrassed for you.



I do have little respect, but it's not towards "the issue". now leave me alone.
 
Here's how I see it. A black guy in a hoodie does look more suspicious than a white guy in a hoodie to most of society. It's not fair. It not right. It is what it is though.
 

Originally Posted by apdst

It just doesn't work like that, out here in the real world.

If you see some white dude in overalls, dirty boots, foo-man-chu mustache, probably dipping snuff and a greasy baseball cap, you're going to automatically sterotype him as a racist redneck and treat him differently than you would someone else presenting themselves in a different way. And, please, don't insult our intelligence and say that you wouldn't, because we all know better.

Everyone is prejudice. Libbos do more to keep prejudice and racism alive than any other group in this country.

Psssssst - I'm not going to pull out a gun and shoot him. I won't even care what he looks like as long as he minds his own business and I mind mine. Did Zimmerman do the same?

What if driving home you saw that white dude as described slowly pacing back and forth, looking this way and that, in front of your house with your wife home alone, and when you pulled up, he came angrily towards you, then turned and ran around behind the house beside your house or behind your apartment complex when he saw you had a cell phone? What if he then came back around towards you?

Nothing?

That is what you are saying Zimmerman was REQUIRED to do in your view of law, and anything other than your doing NOTHING would give that dude the right to beat you to death with a concrete brick.

That neighborhood was Z's home. Martin was not a resident there.
 
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Here's how I see it. A black guy in a hoodie does look more suspicious than a white guy in a hoodie to most of society. It's not fair. It not right. It is what it is though.

As a generality that is probably correct.

Z didn't phone the police saying "there's a black guy with a hoodie you should check out."

He said M was acting suspiciously, not acting right, and definitely acting like he was on drugs. It was only when police asked that Z said M's race and then with uncertainty until M came angrily towards Z.

Rivera was just trying to add his own twist to claiming it was some fashion of profiling. Another political actor who's stage is the political stage on TV. Personally, I see them ALL as actors, know they ALL twist, distort and take bits and pieces of reality to form their next performance on the television stage. They are NOT reporters.
 
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As a generality that is probably correct.

Black people are more likely to be convicted by juries too.

The bottom line is that black people look more suspicious than white people, no matter what they are wearing.
 
Black people are more likely to be convicted by juries too.

The bottom line is that black people look more suspicious than white people, no matter what they are wearing.



I don't agree with that. Anyone well dressed, say a suit and a tie, doesn't really garner suspicion, unless they are wearing black suits and sunglasses and claim to be chasing aliens....
 
I don't agree with that. Anyone well dressed, say a suit and a tie, doesn't really garner suspicion, unless they are wearing black suits and sunglasses and claim to be chasing aliens....

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The suit has little to do with the view of these cats.....


On another note, a carhart jacket, a clipboard and a hard hat, and no one is suspicious of you, and will usually let you into places you are not supposed to go. :prof
 
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