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Major US Airport To Evict TSA Screeners

Jack Webb

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Major US Airport To Evict TSA Screeners
Wednesday, March 14, 2012

"Orlando Sanford International, has announced it will opt out of using TSA workers to screen passengers...

With Sanford International having originally been prevented by the TSA from opting out back in November 2010 when the federal agency froze the ability for airports to use their own private screeners, a law passed by the Senate last month forces the TSA to reconsider applications."


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Senate Passes Bill Allowing Airports To Evict TSA Screeners
Tuesday, February 7, 2012

"The Senate has passed legislation that includes a provision allowing airports to replace TSA screeners with private security..

Should airports choose to replace TSA screeners with their own private security, it would not only mean the screeners were better trained and more responsible for their actions, alleviating the problems of thefts and abuse by TSA workers, but it would also create tens of thousands of much needed jobs for the private sector.

...contract security personnel are more courteous than government workers,"


Prison Planet.com » Senate Passes Bill Allowing Airports To Evict TSA Screeners

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Hopefully a sign of the pendulum swing that brings our country back from the socialist brink.
 
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I like the idea of TSA being kicked out of airports.
 
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They're going to have to follow the same laws, so I don't see how it's going to make much difference.
 
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Major US Airport To Evict TSA Screeners
Wednesday, March 14, 2012

"Orlando Sanford International, has announced it will opt out of using TSA workers to screen passengers...

With Sanford International having originally been prevented by the TSA from opting out back in November 2010 when the federal agency froze the ability for airports to use their own private screeners, a law passed by the Senate last month forces the TSA to reconsider applications."


» Major US Airport To Evict TSA Screeners Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Senate Passes Bill Allowing Airports To Evict TSA Screeners
Tuesday, February 7, 2012

"The Senate has passed legislation that includes a provision allowing airports to replace TSA screeners with private security..

Should airports choose to replace TSA screeners with their own private security, it would not only mean the screeners were better trained and more responsible for their actions, alleviating the problems of thefts and abuse by TSA workers, but it would also create tens of thousands of much needed jobs for the private sector.

...contract security personnel are more courteous than government workers,"


Prison Planet.com » Senate Passes Bill Allowing Airports To Evict TSA Screeners

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY7Hh5PzELo

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Hopefully a sign of the pendulum swing that brings our country back from the socialist brink.

Dude, there are certain goods and services called PUBLIC GOODS that the government can and should provide instead of the private market. Now we can debate whether or not that is the case when it comes to airport security (I personally am rather wary of putting issues of security in any private hands, but that's another discussion), but having the TSA, much like having a publicly-funded and operated military, does not make a nation socialist.
 
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Major US Airport To Evict TSA Screeners
Wednesday, March 14, 2012

"Orlando Sanford International, has announced it will opt out of using TSA workers to screen passengers...

With Sanford International having originally been prevented by the TSA from opting out back in November 2010 when the federal agency froze the ability for airports to use their own private screeners, a law passed by the Senate last month forces the TSA to reconsider applications."


» Major US Airport To Evict TSA Screeners Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Senate Passes Bill Allowing Airports To Evict TSA Screeners
Tuesday, February 7, 2012

"The Senate has passed legislation that includes a provision allowing airports to replace TSA screeners with private security..

Should airports choose to replace TSA screeners with their own private security, it would not only mean the screeners were better trained and more responsible for their actions, alleviating the problems of thefts and abuse by TSA workers, but it would also create tens of thousands of much needed jobs for the private sector.

...contract security personnel are more courteous than government workers,"


Prison Planet.com » Senate Passes Bill Allowing Airports To Evict TSA Screeners

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Hopefully a sign of the pendulum swing that brings our country back from the socialist brink.

I fail to see what this has to do with socialism.

It's a great thing, however. Immediate accountability instead of union rules. Sounds good to me.
 
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I fail to see what this has to do with socialism.

It's a great thing, however. Immediate accountability instead of union rules. Sounds good to me.

I also fail to see what any of this has to do with the free market. As airports are usually owned by local and state governments, the private security firms are merely being handed government contracts.
 
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Can't get enough of prison planet and infowars.

What does AM radio do these days now that the internet is here?
 
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I also fail to see how any of this has to do with the free market. As airports are usually owned by local and state governments, there private security firms are merely being handed government contracts.

I don't understand your post, SB. If TSA-type security is out-sourced, that supports the free market, yes? But I don't even "get" why free market is relevant here...
 
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I don't understand your post, SB. If TSA-type security is out-sourced, that supports the free market, yes? But I don't even "get" why free market is relevant here...

By free-market, I am referring purely to the supply and demand dynamics of the private sector. Outsourcing a government job has little to do with the free market. The government is merely replacing its own employees with someone else's. It's still public-sector spending.

If this is about anything, it's neither about socialism nor the free market, but the tension between state and federal governments.

Edit: To make my point more clear, Maggie, compare this situation to the following one:

Say, for instance, that the US federal government stops handing mail delivery through the USPS, and turns that role ENTIRELY to the private sector, and let Fedex and UPS handle the mail. THAT would be an instance of the private market performing a duty that it can do better than the government. There is an unsubtle difference between the government turning over one of its duties to the private sector, and simply outsourcing its jobs to a contractor. In one case, the government abandons its role altogether. In the other, it is still performing a role, but merely using outside labor.
 
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By free-market, I am referring purely to the supply and demand dynamics of the private sector. Outsourcing a government job has little to do with the free market. The government is merely replacing its own employees with someone else's. It's still public-sector spending.

That's interesting. I'd never thought about this. Who owns airports? Who owns O'Hare Field? Hmmmm......
 
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That's interesting. I'd never thought about this. Who owns airports? Who owns O'Hare Field? Hmmmm......

The city government of Chicago, through its department of Aviation.
 
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The rules are changing and becoming traveler friendly. Nowtravelers over the age of 75 can keep their shoes on while passing through airport security...:lol:
 
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I don't understand your post, SB. If TSA-type security is out-sourced, that supports the free market, yes? But I don't even "get" why free market is relevant here...

El Al has the best airline security in the world. They are a private company.

CEO Interview - El Al

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There isn't enough room on this server to post the failures and problems with central-controlled government monopoly.

Monopoly government does everything poorly. Competing service providers product better, cheaper and more efficient products.

Wikipedia - Anarcho-capitalism

In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by voluntarily-funded competitors such as private defense agencies rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. According to anarcho-capitalists, personal and economic activities would be regulated by the natural laws of the market and through private law rather than through politics. Furthermore, victimless crimes and crimes against the state would not exist.

Anarcho-capitalists argue for a society based on the voluntary trade of private property and services (including money, consumer goods, land, and capital goods) in order to maximize individual liberty and prosperity. However, they also recognize charity and communal arrangements as part of the same voluntary ethic. Though anarcho-capitalists are known for asserting a right to private (individualized or joint non-public) property, some propose that non-state public or community property can also exist in an anarcho-capitalist society. For them, what is important is that it is acquired and transferred without help or hindrance from the compulsory state. Anarcho-capitalist libertarians believe that the only just, and/or most economically beneficial, way toacquire property is through voluntary trade, gift, or labor-based original appropriation, rather than through aggression or fraud.

Anarcho-capitalists see free-market capitalism as the basis for a free and prosperous society. Murray Rothbard said that the difference between free-market capitalism and "state capitalism" is the difference between "peaceful, voluntary exchange" and a collusive partnership between business and government that uses coercion to subvert the free market. "Capitalism," as anarcho-capitalists employ the term, is not to be confused with state monopoly capitalism, crony capitalism, corporatism, or contemporary mixed economies, wherein market incentives and disincentives may be altered by state action. So they reject the state, based on the belief that states are aggressive entities which steal property (through taxation and expropriation), initiate aggression, are a compulsory monopoly on the use of force, use their coercive powers to benefit some businesses and individuals at the expense of others, create monopolies, restrict trade, and restrict personal freedoms via drug laws, compulsory education, conscription, laws on food and morality, and the like. The embrace of unfettered capitalism leads to considerable tension between anarcho-capitalists and many social anarchists that view capitalism and its market as just another authority. Anti-capitalist anarchists generally consider anarcho-capitalism a contradiction in terms, and vice versa.

Anarcho-capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Hopefully a sign of the pendulum swing that brings our country back from the socialist brink.

For the love of all that is holy....please everyone follow suit!
 
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For the love of all that is holy....please everyone follow suit!

What difference does it make, exactly? Am I just dumb for thinking that there isn't really a substantial difference between the government doing this and a private contractor doing this, except for the fact that state governments get the feds off their back?
 
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El Al has the best airline security in the world. They are a private company.

CEO Interview - El Al

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There isn't enough room on this server to post the failures and problems with central-controlled government monopoly.

Monopoly government does everything poorly. Competing service providers product better, cheaper and more efficient products.

Wikipedia - Anarcho-capitalism

In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by voluntarily-funded competitors such as private defense agencies rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. According to anarcho-capitalists, personal and economic activities would be regulated by the natural laws of the market and through private law rather than through politics. Furthermore, victimless crimes and crimes against the state would not exist.

Anarcho-capitalists argue for a society based on the voluntary trade of private property and services (including money, consumer goods, land, and capital goods) in order to maximize individual liberty and prosperity. However, they also recognize charity and communal arrangements as part of the same voluntary ethic. Though anarcho-capitalists are known for asserting a right to private (individualized or joint non-public) property, some propose that non-state public or community property can also exist in an anarcho-capitalist society. For them, what is important is that it is acquired and transferred without help or hindrance from the compulsory state. Anarcho-capitalist libertarians believe that the only just, and/or most economically beneficial, way toacquire property is through voluntary trade, gift, or labor-based original appropriation, rather than through aggression or fraud.

Anarcho-capitalists see free-market capitalism as the basis for a free and prosperous society. Murray Rothbard said that the difference between free-market capitalism and "state capitalism" is the difference between "peaceful, voluntary exchange" and a collusive partnership between business and government that uses coercion to subvert the free market. "Capitalism," as anarcho-capitalists employ the term, is not to be confused with state monopoly capitalism, crony capitalism, corporatism, or contemporary mixed economies, wherein market incentives and disincentives may be altered by state action. So they reject the state, based on the belief that states are aggressive entities which steal property (through taxation and expropriation), initiate aggression, are a compulsory monopoly on the use of force, use their coercive powers to benefit some businesses and individuals at the expense of others, create monopolies, restrict trade, and restrict personal freedoms via drug laws, compulsory education, conscription, laws on food and morality, and the like. The embrace of unfettered capitalism leads to considerable tension between anarcho-capitalists and many social anarchists that view capitalism and its market as just another authority. Anti-capitalist anarchists generally consider anarcho-capitalism a contradiction in terms, and vice versa.

Anarcho-capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most off the vets on this board are already familiar with what anarcho-capitalism is, thank you very much. Like I said above, there are many goods that the government can and should provide. There are others that are natural monopolies. For certain other functions of government, it is impractical to hand them over wholesale to the private sector - national security/defense is one such role.

Once again, simply substituting private contractors for federal government employees has little to do with the free market or anarcho-capitalism. That would be more like if the state and local governments allowed private entities to run and maintain airports - which this bill does not do.
 
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Why do we need any of this at all? Can't we go back to when they just waved the wand over you? No more body scans that cause cancer. No more pat downs that end up being sexual assault. The TSA has never caught one terrorist. This whole thing is nothing but taking freedom away from it's citizens.
 
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I love all the emotional "RAWR HATE TSA" posts without any actual attempt to understand what's being done here.

The allowance for airports to opt out and privatize the workforce does not in any way, shape, or form indicate a differnece in protocol or method in which screening will occur. Private Security in these situations must adhere to the same federal regulations regarding the screening of passengers. The only difference is that the hiring, managing, and personnel are all private contractors rather than federal employees. Your pat downs, body scans, shoes coming off, etc are going to be occuring whether its Random TSO or Random Security Guy that's manning the line.
 
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I love all the emotional "RAWR HATE TSA" posts without any actual attempt to understand what's being done here.

The allowance for airports to opt out and privatize the workforce does not in any way, shape, or form indicate a differnece in protocol or method in which screening will occur. Private Security in these situations must adhere to the same federal regulations regarding the screening of passengers. The only difference is that the hiring, managing, and personnel are all private contractors rather than federal employees. Your pat downs, body scans, shoes coming off, etc are going to be occuring whether its Random TSO or Random Security Guy that's manning the line.


The perception is that there's an overwhelming bureaucracy that is preventing the TSA from being able to effectively make common sense exceptions and from being able to punish / prevent violations of common decency with much effectiveness.
The other perception is that these private companies will be more responsive to these needs of their clients and the client's travelers.

These may or may not be true.
 
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The perception is that there's an overwhelming bureaucracy that is preventing the TSA from being able to effectively make common sense exceptions and from being able to punish / prevent violations of common decency with much effectiveness.
The other perception is that these private companies will be more responsive to these needs of their clients and the client's travelers.

I understand these two perceptions. If the thought is "Woohoo, I like this. People will be more polite and courteous while we go through security, and those that step out of line will be more appropriately punished" then yeah, I get that.

However it seems to be people cheering as if the "TSA" method of screening is going away or that these private companies would do something different than the pat downs (even to "grandma's) or body scanners and other things.

The METHODS would remain identical. There's a chance that those acting in an inappropriate manner...mind you, inappropriate based on the guidelines, not inappropriate as in "omg you patted down granny"...may be able to have more actoin taken against them. And maybe there's a shot that the workers may seem more polite. But what you're having to go through in regards to screening wouldn't be changing.
 
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By all indications, they were very courteous to Mohammed Atta on the morning of 9/11/01. That was kind of the problem. It was obvious enough that even the Republican party wanted to "socialize" airport security. They were, after all, in charge of both houses of Congress and the White House when the TSA and Department of Homeland Security were created.
 
By all indications, they were very courteous to Mohammed Atta on the morning of 9/11/01. That was kind of the problem. It was obvious enough that even the Republican party wanted to "socialize" airport security. They were, after all, in charge of both houses of Congress and the White House when the TSA and Department of Homeland Security were created.

Many companies pay for security. It's the cost of doing business. Banks do, of course. Remember this story?

Egyptian gunman kills two in US airport shooting

"An Egyptian immigrant armed with guns and a knife opened fire at the Los Angeles International Airport ticket counter of Israeli airline El Al, killing two people before an airline security guard shot him dead.

Four other people were injured, including two El Al security guards, the FBI said.

The governor praised the airline's response, saying security agents acted quickly and prevented a greater loss of life."


Egyptian gunman kills two in US airport shooting | Mail Online

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"In 2008, over 3 million tourists visited Israel.[279] Israel has the highest number of museums per capita in the world."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

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The private airline, El Al, flies tourists to and from:

Europe

Flights to Zurich
Flights to Frankfurt
Flights to Brussels
Flights to Vienna
Flights to Warsaw
Flights to St.Petersburg
Flights to Kiev
Flights to Athens
Flights to Budapest
Flights to Geneva
Flights to Marseille
Flights to Bucharest
Flight to Bulgaria

Australia

Flights to Sydney

Far East

Flights to Bangkok
Flights to Hong Kong
Flights to Beijing
Flights to Mumbai

South Africa

Flights to Johannesburg

North America

Flights to New York
Flights to Los Angeles
Flights to Canada

South America

Flights to Sao Paulo

Flights to Israel

El Al's security is the best. Mohammed Atta and his buddies wouldn't have gotten far with their box cutters.

As far as blaming the Republicans, both major parties can go extinct as far as I'm concerned. Big government needs to be small government. And, companies that don't pay enough for security should go out of business. It's just basic stuff. Airlines are businesses, governments shouldn't have to tell them how to wipe their asses, poorly run businesses go out of business.

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Today's news poses the question of whether the TSA changes policy for politics.

"Former Congressman Bob Barr’s Liberty Guard organization has filed a lawsuit against the TSA after the federal agency refused to comply with a Freedom of Information Act request that sought to discover whether or not the TSA temporarily amended its security policies for political reasons during the height of the national opt out day protest in late 2010."

» Bob Barr Files Lawsuit Against TSA Over ‘Drudge’ Controversy Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Goodbye TSA.
 
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By all indications, they were very courteous to Mohammed Atta on the morning of 9/11/01. That was kind of the problem.

IF this is an attempt at jabbing at the idea of private screeners, than :roll: on many factual levels. If it isn't, and I misinterpreted the post like a herp-derp, mybad. :3oops:
 
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What does AM radio do these days now that the internet is here?

Hard to look at the internet (safely) when you're driving in your car.

Lots of workplaces have talk shows playing in the background at warehouses, manufacturing facilities, waiting rooms, lunch rooms, etc.
 
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