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Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

give them the bunker buster and give iran ONE nuclear weapon

then let's see if israel engages in a foray into sovereign iranian territory

we must de-fang israel

our focus on iranian actions are misdirected. that country has not initiated war with another in 200 years. we cannot say that about israel for 200 weeks

Please more free weapons.... that we will reverse engineer?
 
All the conservatives say Israel can take care of themselves. So let them take care of themselves, no more weapons from us.
 
give them the bunker buster and give iran ONE nuclear weapon

then let's see if israel engages in a foray into sovereign iranian territory

we must de-fang israel

our focus on iranian actions are misdirected. that country has not initiated war with another in 200 years. we cannot say that about israel for 200 weeks
This is a classic example of "gambler's fallacy", I think we should probably concentrate on re-braining ourselves rather than de-fanging Israel.
 
Looks like Israel may achieve their goal without a bunker buster.

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All the conservatives say Israel can take care of themselves. So let them take care of themselves, no more weapons from us.

Both sides should be told that if either one of them starts anything, the US will finish it.
 
I don't understand why we would give them the missile when they are openly saying it is for use against Iran. In doing this, we would find ourselves in a rather sticky situation if a war were to break out.
 
I supposed I am guilty of coining a word in re-braining, but I did think the meaning would be obvious. <sigh, another child left behind:(>

Typical Meathead response. "You should know what I am talking about even when I am deliberately being vague."

You're on a debate site, dude, not a "be mysterious and vague and expect people to know what the **** you are talking about" site. If that's what you want you should just go all-out OneMale on us.
 
I don't understand why we would give them the missile when they are openly saying it is for use against Iran.
I think you and that stillballing guy have problems grasping the obvious. I suppose if I intend to keep posting on this site I would have to adjust to the comprehension abilities of others here, but it certainly would be tedious constantly explaining the obvious to the obtuse,
 
I think you and that stillballing guy have problems grasping the obvious. I suppose if I intend to keep posting on this site I would have to adjust to the comprehension abilities of others here, but it certainly would be tedious constantly explaining the obvious to the obtuse,

Dude, you made up a word and automatically expected others to know what it means. Own up to your own crap and stop expecting others to wipe your ass for you. Nobody else is responsible for explaining, defending, and allowing others to understand your argument but yourself :roll:
 
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Dude, you made up a word and automatically expected others to know what it means. Own up to your own crap and stop expecting others to wipe your ass for you. Nobody else is responsible for explaining and defending your argument but yourself :roll:
I would not allow you to wipe my ass. I do have standards! (btw, I'm not going to explain this either)
 
I think you and that stillballing guy have problems grasping the obvious. I suppose if I intend to keep posting on this site I would have to adjust to the comprehension abilities of others here, but it certainly would be tedious constantly explaining the obvious to the obtuse,

Okay, so you said we should give it to them and then said we should re-brain ourselves instead of de-fanging Israel. I just took what you said at face value because I rarely interact with you. Your second comment does not mean that you were joking in your OP, so why should I assume it does?
 
give them the bunker buster and give iran ONE nuclear weapon

then let's see if israel engages in a foray into sovereign iranian territory

we must de-fang israel

our focus on iranian actions are misdirected. that country has not initiated war with another in 200 years. we cannot say that about israel for 200 weeks

So Iran has not backed terriorist that have attacked Israel many times in the past? Iran didn't send fighters to Bosnia-Herzegovina to fight for the muslims there? Iran didn't fund and supply insurgents in Iraq? Iran wasn't sending support for Shiite muslims in UAE and other areas in the mideast to stir up protests? Iran has not repeatedly called for the distruction of the state of Israel?

And when has Israel ever launched a war of aggression? Current operations and many in the past is in response to Palistinians (some funded and supplied by Iran) launched rockets against civilian targets in Israel. Modern Israel came about because the British controlled the area and refugees from anti-jewish areas fled there. The British had control of the area following crusades and the fall of the Ottoman empire, seeking to free the Holy Lands from muslim control. The British were trying to limit the influx and reduce conflict between the Palistinians and the Jews. However, their Mandate failed and the British chose to pull out. The plan was for a Jewish state, and Arab state and international control of Jerusalem. The UN and the Jewish community accepted this plan of Partition with Economic Union, however, the Arabs did not. The Jewish Agency declared independence the day prior to the expiration of the British Mandate, renaming the country Israel and four Arab countries attacked them. This is the first war between Israel and the Arabs, the Arabs were the agressors, not Israel. Following this war, Jordan controlled the west bank and Jerusalem and Ebypt controlled the Gaza strip and Irael controlled the lands that had been the Jewish area under the British. In 1967, Egypt expelled UN peacekeepers from the Sinai Peninsula and attempted to blockade Israels access to the Red Sea. Several Arab Nations formed a coalition and postitioned troops intending to attack Israel, however, Israel launched a suprise attack and defeated these forces and countries taking control of the West Bank, The Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai Peninsula and Jerusalem. Again, the Arabs were the aggressors, not Israel. In 1973, Egypt and Syria again attacked Israel but were repelled. Once again, the Arabs were the aggressors, not Israel. In 1981, Israel did stike nuclear facilities in Iraq, this could be considered aggression, however, Iraq was supporting terriorist attacking Israel and Israeli citizens. The Israelis have invaded southern Lebenon a couple of times in response to attacks by PLO and Hama terrorist.

The Palestinians have been given chances for peace and self government. Israel gave them limited self-rule in the 1990s, but the Palestinians have elected known terrorist for their government. When the PLO refused to continue operations against Israel and instead attempted to keep the peace, the Palestinians turned to the more agressive Hamas factions. Since then, Hamas has repeatedly sent rockets into Israel against civilian targets and has supported/initiated many terrerist attacks against Israel.

So in all this, where is this war that Israel initiated? Israel has always responded to provocation. Their control of the contested regions stems from the Arabs attacking them not the other way around. The Palestinians were part of the countries that started wars with Israel and they lost. If you start a war and lose, you can expect to have to live with the results, including the victor taking lands. There are Palestinians in Israel who do not support terrorist and are just as prosperous and peaceful as any other Israeli citizen. If the peoples of the "occupied" areas would act the same, they would have better prosperity and living conditions also. But instead, they lauch rockets at civilians and then whine when Israel responds to those attacks.

A Nuclear armed Iran is a threat to Israel. Iran continues support terrorist acting against Israel. So give Israel the bunker busters, heck, send them a squadron of F-117 Stealth Fighters and a few B-2 Stealth Bombers along with them. Israel is not a threat to US security and interests, Iran is.
 
I would not allow you to wipe my ass. I do have standards! (btw, I'm not going to explain this either)

YOU are on a ****ing debate site, Meathead. It is incumbent upon YOU and YOU yourself only to phrase YOUR argument in a way such that other people can understand it. If you can't debate properly, then why bother debating at all? Unless your goal here is to simply flame and insult the intelligence of other posters?
 
YOU are on a ****ing debate site, Meathead. It is incumbent upon YOU and YOU yourself only to phrase YOUR argument in a way such that other people can understand it. If you can't debate properly, then why bother debating at all? Unless your goal here is to simply flame and insult the intelligence of other posters?
It is not incumbent upon me to improve the reading comprehension skills of others, and as I have already said, it is tedious to explain the obvious to the obtuse.
 
It is not incumbent upon me to improve the reading comprehension skills of others, and as I have already said, it is tedious to explain the obvious to the obtuse.

I'm sorry it would take a whole extra sentence to explain your indecipherable babble and that that is too hard.
You can continue babbling and not have anyone else on debatepolitics understand you if you wish. We really... don't care.
 
We shouldn't give or sell weapons to other countries regardless if they are friend or foe. If history has taught us anything is that allies can turn into enemies and I would rather not give or sell something that can used against us or our troops in the future.
True, but I think Israel is a safe bet as a long-term ally especially if Obama gets beaten in November. Anyway, far better to fight by proxy and Israel might be willing to take out Iran's weapons in their own self interest.
 
So Iran has not backed terriorist that have attacked Israel many times in the past? Iran didn't send fighters to Bosnia-Herzegovina to fight for the muslims there? Iran didn't fund and supply insurgents in Iraq? Iran wasn't sending support for Shiite muslims in UAE and other areas in the mideast to stir up protests? Iran has not repeatedly called for the distruction of the state of Israel?

And when has Israel ever launched a war of aggression? Current operations and many in the past is in response to Palistinians (some funded and supplied by Iran) launched rockets against civilian targets in Israel. Modern Israel came about because the British controlled the area and refugees from anti-jewish areas fled there. The British had control of the area following crusades and the fall of the Ottoman empire, seeking to free the Holy Lands from muslim control. The British were trying to limit the influx and reduce conflict between the Palistinians and the Jews. However, their Mandate failed and the British chose to pull out. The plan was for a Jewish state, and Arab state and international control of Jerusalem. The UN and the Jewish community accepted this plan of Partition with Economic Union, however, the Arabs did not. The Jewish Agency declared independence the day prior to the expiration of the British Mandate, renaming the country Israel and four Arab countries attacked them. This is the first war between Israel and the Arabs, the Arabs were the agressors, not Israel. Following this war, Jordan controlled the west bank and Jerusalem and Ebypt controlled the Gaza strip and Irael controlled the lands that had been the Jewish area under the British. In 1967, Egypt expelled UN peacekeepers from the Sinai Peninsula and attempted to blockade Israels access to the Red Sea. Several Arab Nations formed a coalition and postitioned troops intending to attack Israel, however, Israel launched a suprise attack and defeated these forces and countries taking control of the West Bank, The Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai Peninsula and Jerusalem. Again, the Arabs were the aggressors, not Israel. In 1973, Egypt and Syria again attacked Israel but were repelled. Once again, the Arabs were the aggressors, not Israel. In 1981, Israel did stike nuclear facilities in Iraq, this could be considered aggression, however, Iraq was supporting terriorist attacking Israel and Israeli citizens. The Israelis have invaded southern Lebenon a couple of times in response to attacks by PLO and Hama terrorist.

The Palestinians have been given chances for peace and self government. Israel gave them limited self-rule in the 1990s, but the Palestinians have elected known terrorist for their government. When the PLO refused to continue operations against Israel and instead attempted to keep the peace, the Palestinians turned to the more agressive Hamas factions. Since then, Hamas has repeatedly sent rockets into Israel against civilian targets and has supported/initiated many terrerist attacks against Israel.

So in all this, where is this war that Israel initiated? Israel has always responded to provocation. Their control of the contested regions stems from the Arabs attacking them not the other way around. The Palestinians were part of the countries that started wars with Israel and they lost. If you start a war and lose, you can expect to have to live with the results, including the victor taking lands. There are Palestinians in Israel who do not support terrorist and are just as prosperous and peaceful as any other Israeli citizen. If the peoples of the "occupied" areas would act the same, they would have better prosperity and living conditions also. But instead, they lauch rockets at civilians and then whine when Israel responds to those attacks.

A Nuclear armed Iran is a threat to Israel. Iran continues support terrorist acting against Israel. So give Israel the bunker busters, heck, send them a squadron of F-117 Stealth Fighters and a few B-2 Stealth Bombers along with them. Israel is not a threat to US security and interests, Iran is.

Israel at war with Iran is a threat to the entire area and US interests. There is also no evidence that bunker busters or any other air attack would eliminate the ability of Iran to produce nuclear weapons. It would however garantee that Iran would move as fast as possible with it as a result.
 
True, but I think Israel is a safe bet as a long-term ally especially if Obama gets beaten in November. Anyway, far better to fight by proxy and Israel might be willing to take out Iran's weapons in their own self interest.

Obama get beaten? You ARE out of touch. Their is no "proxy" we will be at war if Israel uses our weapons.
 
Israel wants us to give them a bunkerbuster?


change the word "give" to "sell" and I don't really care.
 
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