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Over 90% of the income gains in the first year of the recovery went to the top 1%

I have yet to see a poll that supports 'majority of Americans'. Maybe you can furnish support for said claim. In fact I have seen very little discussion on this topic.

And to be clear, I am against increasing their personal cost for healthcare. I am for expanded GI Bill benefits, job training, homeless prevention programs, proposed tax credits for employers to hire veterans.

So to be clear YOU support increasing healthcare costs to military veterans...? Kinda weird as I assume you support ACA for everyone else but want to increase costs on those who have protected your right to support it.

I feel the trade off of getting the expanded GI Bill Benefits, job training, homeless prevention programs and tax credits for employers to hire veterans that President Obama got passed is worth the proposal that would "eliminate co-pays for generic mail-order drugs, while shifting retail co-pays from a dollar amount to a percentage co-pay. The change would apply to military families and retirees, but not active-duty service members."

I believe the majority's vote in November will reflect that.
 
So you state:
Well, its not hard to see why you differ from the majority of Americans.
Then when asked for support for an overreaching assertion concerning ‘the majority of Americans’ you respond with:
I believe the majority's vote in November will reflect that.

YOU BELIEVE…YOU BELIEVE…? Your belief equates to the ‘majority of Americans’? Really?

I understand your position on the tradeoff and without specific numbers any further discussion is a waste of time. I concur that additional money for expanded GI Bill Benefits, job training, homeless prevention programs and tax credits for employers to hire veterans is a good thing but not at the expense those who have served previously. But I guess that goes against your ‘cut military spending’ position…
 
So you state:

Then when asked for support for an overreaching assertion concerning ‘the majority of Americans’ you respond with:


YOU BELIEVE…YOU BELIEVE…? Your belief equates to the ‘majority of Americans’? Really?

I understand your position on the tradeoff and without specific numbers any further discussion is a waste of time. I concur that additional money for expanded GI Bill Benefits, job training, homeless prevention programs and tax credits for employers to hire veterans is a good thing but not at the expense those who have served previously. But I guess that goes against your ‘cut military spending’ position…

The cost savings measure represents a small negative is more than made up for the increased veterans benefits and opportunities, and is just a small fraction of the cuts proposed for the military by President Obama.

Romney has proposed increasing military spending but he has not promised increasing veteran's benefits as the President has done.

How do you think Romney can follow through with his promise to increase military spending beyond almost as much as the rest of the world spend combined and cut taxes for the rich even more, without increasing the projected deficits?

Romney's Tax Plan Would Add $3T To Deficit Over A Decade
 
The cost savings measure represents a small negative is more than made up for the increased veterans benefits and opportunities, and is just a small fraction of the cuts proposed for the military by President Obama.

Again you pose supposition without any substantiation. And again, why would continuing this be productive without numbers?

Further, why do you persist in diverting to what you suppose Romney could/would/should do? Haven’t you been posting for weeks now about how ANY GOP candidate has no chance in November? Why would discussing an impossibility (in your mind) be any less a waste of time that that above?
 
Further, why do you persist in diverting to what you suppose Romney could/would/should do?

Romney will be the only other choice besides Obama in November.

Haven’t you been posting for weeks now about how ANY GOP candidate has no chance in November? Why would discussing an impossibility (in your mind) be any less a waste of time that that above?

With the unprecedented anonymous corporate funding thanks to citizens united, it will take large numbers voting to insure we offset the corporate influence. I don't believe in taking chances.
 
Romney will be the only other choice besides Obama in November.

With the unprecedented anonymous corporate funding thanks to citizens united, it will take large numbers voting to insure we offset the corporate influence. I don't believe in taking chances.

Yeah, cause that Union spending is almost nothing and irrelevant. :roll:
 
Yeah, cause that Union spending is almost nothing and irrelevant. :roll:

This Citizens United corporate funding is a whole new ball game for political campaign funding.

"In 2012, about two dozen individuals, couples or corporations have given $1 million or more to Republican super PACs, an exclusive club empowered by the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision and other rulings to pool their money into federal political committees and pour it directly into this year’s presidential campaign.

Collectively, their contributions have totaled more than $50 million this cycle, making them easily the most influential and powerful political donors in politics today. They have relatively few Democratic counterparts so far, with most of the leading liberal donors from past years giving relatively small amounts — or not at all — to the Democratic super PACs.

Unlike in past years, when wealthy donors of both parties donated chiefly to groups that were active in the general election campaign, the top Republican donors are contributing money far earlier, in contests that will determine the party’s presidential nominee."

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/campaign_finance/index.html
 
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This is amazing recovery in this year and present situation
 
With the unprecedented anonymous corporate funding thanks to citizens united, it will take large numbers voting to insure we offset the corporate influence. I don't believe in taking chances.

WOW...it sounds like your previous predictions of certain victory are now in question...by yourself.

Carry on.
 
So we gave all this money to the wealthy. I thought this was supposed to get us all jobs?
 
ME TOO! What was BHO thinking?

I know! History shows quite clearly that trickle down economics doesn't work. And yet, our government just had to go give it another try.
 
Im shocked...truly. Actual unemployment rates are around 20% (higher in most major democrat population centers), the fed has taken the national debt from 9 to 16 trillion in an attempt to buy our way into prosperity, and the only ones truly 'prospering' are those with investment capital and able to build, grow and invest more? Thats just...shocking!

Seriously...what do you THINK is going to be the end result? 47% of the country dont make enough to pay their 'fair share' and a good number of them are un/underemployed. Where do you THINK there would be this magic balancing of income 'gains'? And funny...I dont see wealthy democrats lining up to willingly GIVE their **** away for some reason.
 
So we gave all this money to the wealthy. I thought this was supposed to get us all jobs?
It WAS! The fed spending was the BOMB baby...it was going to fix EVERYTHING.
 
IAnd funny...I dont see wealthy democrats lining up to willingly GIVE their **** away for some reason.

I guess you missed the 400 millionaires that petitioned congress to raise the capital gains tax rates.
 
I guess you missed the 400 millionaires that petitioned congress to raise the capital gains tax rates.
And if those people had any balls or truly meant what they said all they would have to do is DO it. I guess you 'missed' that. Geeeezus...pathetic. Save us, big government!!!
 
And if those people had any balls or truly meant what they said all they would have to do is DO it. I guess you 'missed' that. Geeeezus...pathetic. Save us, big government!!!


Oh you think only the rich Democrats should be responsible to their fellow citizens? We will take that into consideration when we vote in November.
 
Oh you think only the rich Democrats should be responsible to their fellow citizens? We will take that into consideration when we vote in November.

Only a statist would think paying more taxes to a wasteful government is "being responsible to their fellow citizens"
 
Oh you think only the rich Democrats should be responsible to their fellow citizens? We will take that into consideration when we vote in November.
Look at you...thats so cute...
You mention how much rich democrats really really WISH they could be forced to do more...then when it is pointed out they COULD you divert from the reality to...what...its only DEMOCRATS responsibility? Baby...its their responsibility to be HONEST...not a continued bunch of hypocrites. Of course...it hardly matters...all they have to do is pull the strings....
 
“In 2010, average real income per family grew by 2.3% … but the gains were very uneven. Top 1% incomes grew by 11.6%, while bottom 99% incomes grew only by 0.2%. Hence, the top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery. Such an uneven recovery can help explain the recent public demonstrations against inequality.”

The 10 page update offers a clear picture of how income shares have varied over different business cycles, as well as the long-term trends since 1917. Top income shares fell dramatically after World War II, stayed flat, then began to rise in the early 1980s and have returned to their pre-War levels.

The top 10% in the US take now take home about 47% of all income, but this is driven by the top 1% who account for 20%.

The difference between the business cycle of the 1990s and the 2000s is that the incomes of the bottom 99% grew by 20% between 1993 and 2000, but only by 6.8% between 2002 and 2007.

Saez suggests that this “may … help explain why the dramatic growth in top incomes during the Clinton administration did not generate much public outcry while there has been a great level of attention to top incomes in the press and in the public debate since 2005.”

Over 90% of the income gains in the first year of the recovery went to the top 1% « Economics for public policy

When government policies kill middle and low income jobs, what do you expect to happen?
 
Oh you think only the rich Democrats should be responsible to their fellow citizens? We will take that into consideration when we vote in November.

Do you pay more taxes than you have to? You pass yourself off as being rich, so surely you refuse to take deductions and pay taxes on your gross income. Yes?
 
Do you pay more taxes than you have to? You pass yourself off as being rich, so surely you refuse to take deductions and pay taxes on your gross income. Yes?

Income Taxes are not voluntary. Is that what you are proposing? The fact that some of the wealthy realize that the can afford to pay more and want to contribute will not fix the problem. The lowest rates in history for the largest personal incomes in history are helping to create the biggest deficits in history. I thought all you righties were all riled up about the deficit?
 
Income Taxes are not voluntary. Is that what you are proposing? The fact that some of the wealthy realize that the can afford to pay more and want to contribute will not fix the problem. The lowest rates in history for the largest personal incomes in history are helping to create the biggest deficits in history. I thought all you righties were all riled up about the deficit?
The fed has dumped another 7 trillion onto the debt heap in 3 years. To what end? Buying their way into 'prosperity'? Look...heres the basic fact...anyone in this country that claims to 'want' to give more is lying. All they have to do is simply GIVE MORE. Either they are sincere...or they are pandering liars. If they are sincere they would GIVE MORE. There is no law that says they cant, nor is there a law that says they have to hire attorneys and accountants to exploit every tax loophole they can while PRETENDING to actually give a **** about the poor. There is a world of difference between DOING more and saying gosh...Id really really LIKE to do more.
 
Do you pay more taxes than you have to? You pass yourself off as being rich, so surely you refuse to take deductions and pay taxes on your gross income. Yes?


What are you talking about??? I have never said I was rich, because I am not. I am just a small business owner that barely gets by after expenses and bills.


The 400 millionaires that petitioned Congress to increase tax rates, are wise enough to know that when wealth disparity gets as large as it has become in the US, like the third world countries - Turkey, Mexico, and Chile, there is not enough consumer demand to drive the economy.
 
“In 2010, average real income per family grew by 2.3% … but the gains were very uneven. Top 1% incomes grew by 11.6%, while bottom 99% incomes grew only by 0.2%. Hence, the top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery. Such an uneven recovery can help explain the recent public demonstrations against inequality.”

The 10 page update offers a clear picture of how income shares have varied over different business cycles, as well as the long-term trends since 1917. Top income shares fell dramatically after World War II, stayed flat, then began to rise in the early 1980s and have returned to their pre-War levels.

The top 10% in the US take now take home about 47% of all income, but this is driven by the top 1% who account for 20%.

The difference between the business cycle of the 1990s and the 2000s is that the incomes of the bottom 99% grew by 20% between 1993 and 2000, but only by 6.8% between 2002 and 2007.

Saez suggests that this “may … help explain why the dramatic growth in top incomes during the Clinton administration did not generate much public outcry while there has been a great level of attention to top incomes in the press and in the public debate since 2005.”

Over 90% of the income gains in the first year of the recovery went to the top 1% « Economics for public policy

:yawn: so? why should I care what the rich make? let them worry about themselves, they appear to be good enough at it.
 
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