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Documents: PETA kills more than 95 percent of pets in its care

Wake said:
Guys, maybe we should cut PETA a bit of slack:



Why We Euthanize | PETA.org

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Diamond was suffering from a painful facial tumor that was slowly eating away at his face

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Sasha had a severely infected bite wound.

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This dog was suffering from advanced cancer.

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Santana had facial injuries so serious that his right eye was swollen shut and his jaw was ripped and hanging.

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Big Girl was still alive when a field worker found her.
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Again, not a problem with putting these animals down. They should be put down. Any vet will do the same and just as quickly and humanely. Peta absorbing huge donations and then taking these animals to a vet or a vet working on behalf of them to do so but people thinking that Peta is going to be saving a majority of the animals it takes in. There are people who work for or are a member of Peta in high rank who are taking that money and not using it where it is meant to go.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Forgive me if I'm skeptical bro. These animals should have been put down, I agree. However, 95% of the animals in their care don't look like this I'm sure. Further, I am not going to trust an organization with as radical a background as PETA. Their track record hurts their credibility IMO.
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00timh said:
Again, not a problem with putting these animals down. They should be put down. Any vet will do the same and just as quickly and humanely. Peta absorbing huge donations and then taking these animals to a vet or a vet working on behalf of them to do so but people thinking that Peta is going to be saving a majority of the animals it takes in. There are people who work for or are a member of Peta in high rank who are taking that money and not using it where it is meant to go.
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Just to repeat guys, PETA does not run animal shelters that I can find out. They do not take in healthy animals.
 
Just throwing it out there guys, and I'm guilty too. Lets stop replying with quote on those pictures. Everyone got the point, there's no need for us to keep recycling them.
 
Redress said:
Just to repeat guys, PETA does not run animal shelters that I can find out. They do not take in healthy animals.
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I will look into that as well. However, if that is true, their vets are taking the easy way out on 95% of their patients. Basically what we're saying is that PETA can't find a vet that can get over a .5 in 10 ratio of rescues to euthanizations. Where did their vets get their licenses, Wal-Mart on Black Friday?
 
Doesn't PETA also protest at dog shows? Protesting against responsible animal lovers. If they really wanted to help dogs they'd be in Amish country near the puppy mills. But, I guess that's kind of low-profile and too much trouble.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Just throwing it out there guys, and I'm guilty too. Lets stop replying with quote on those pictures. Everyone got the point, there's no need for us to keep recycling them.
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No, there's a point to be made, so no, don't just blow it off.

PETA has explained why it euthanizes animals, so let's end that one argument about PETA supposedly being hypocritical for doing so.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I will look into that as well. However, if that is true, their vets are taking the easy way out on 95% of their patients. Basically what we're saying is that PETA can't find a vet that can get over a .5 in 10 ratio of rescues to euthanizations. Where did their vets get their licenses, Wal-Mart on Black Friday?
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You are saying that in the absense of knowing what they do. The animals that get euthenized are feral animals, diseased animals, and the big one, they provide euthenazia services to animal shelters that do not have the equipment or training to do it humanely.
 
Wake said:
No, there's a point to be made, so no, don't just blow it off.

PETA has explained why it euthanizes animals, so let's end that one argument about PETA supposedly being hypocritical for doing so.
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Get over yourself dude. What point is there to keep looking at the same deformed and pitiful dogs? None. If you like looking at that stuff, do so in your own home. The point is still valid, the pictures are not necessary to carry the point further. We saw them, we understand some animals are put out of their misery by PETA, move on. What, do you want us all to sit and meditate on the friggin things for 30 minutes at a time or something?
 
Rosie1 said:
Doesn't PETA also protest at dog shows? Protesting against responsible animal lovers. If they really wanted to help dogs they'd be in Amish country near the puppy mills. But, I guess that's kind of low-profile and too much trouble.
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they do what they can do. you don't have to agree with them, but don't pretend they don't want to help animals. as for protesting at dog shows, i doubt they would if people didn't cut their dog's ears or tails.
 
Redress said:
You are saying that in the absense of knowing what they do. The animals that get euthenized are feral animals, diseased animals, and the big one, they provide euthenazia services to animal shelters that do not have the equipment or training to do it humanely.
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You have to admit, a .5 in 10 ratio is pretty garbage. To use a PETA argument, if these were people we'd shut down the hospital in about 15 minutes with those stats.
 
Redress said:
Just to repeat guys, PETA does not run animal shelters that I can find out. They do not take in healthy animals.
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Watch the video I posted. They do. And they kill a lot of the animals they take in. More so than the animal shelters the decry.

Face it, PETA is the Whale Wars of Animal Cruelty. They support terrorism, expound radical idealism they themselves can't even live up to, and find themselves completely justified in the violent and non-violent tactics they take out against the rest of us.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Get over yourself dude. What point is there to keep looking at the same deformed and pitiful dogs? None. If you like looking at that stuff, do so in your own home. The point is still valid, the pictures are not necessary to carry the point further. We saw them, we understand some animals are put out of their misery by PETA, move on. What, do you want us all to sit and meditate on the friggin things for 30 minutes at a time or something?
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You put words in my mouth.

Those pictures and the articles drives that argument that PETA is hypocritical for euthanizing animals into the ground. You may be past it, but others might not.

It served to destroy that fallacious argument, and it seems to be effective.
 
Wake said:
You put words in my mouth.

Those pictures and the articles drives that argument that PETA is hypocritical for euthanizing animals into the ground. You may be past it, but others might not.

It served to destroy that fallacious argument, and it seems to be effective.
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So, your pictures of 5 animals prove my argument wrong that A) PETA is a hypocritical organization because they kill more than 9 out of 10 animals placed in their care, B) That PETA has to be employing the services of the absolute worst vets in the world if they can do no better than those survival stats, or C) Using a PETA style argument, that is those stats were attributed to a hospital that treats human beings it would be shut down ASAP? That's what your saying? I guess pictures are worth 1,000 words huh?
 
MarineTpartier said:
So, your pictures of 5 animals prove my argument wrong that A) PETA is a hypocritical organization because they kill more than 9 out of 10 animals placed in their care, B) That PETA has to be employing the services of the absolute worst vets in the world if they can do no better than those survival stats, or C) Using a PETA style argument, that is those stats were attributed to a hospital that treats human beings it would be shut down ASAP? That's what your saying? I guess pictures are worth 1,000 words huh?
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No, it shows that PETA does have reasons to euthanize animals, and I'm sure there are many more animals than those five that have been euthanized. If PETA has to euthanize 9 out of 10 animals, then that is unfortunate, and I don't really see how that makes them hypocritical. What are they supposed to do with all of these animals year-to-year?

I don't have enough knowledge on the vet issue, so that's not been an argument I've decided to argue.
 
Wake said:
No, it shows that PETA does have reasons to euthanize animals, and I'm sure there are many more animals than those five that have been euthanized. If PETA has to euthanize 9 out of 10 animals, then that is unfortunate, and I don't really see how that makes them hypocritical. What are they supposed to do with all of these animals year-to-year?

I don't have enough knowledge on the vet issue, so that's not been an argument I've decided to argue.
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Its simple really. Get a friggin vet that can fix something, fix it, give them to a no kill shelter. How hard is that? My dog is from a no-kill shelter. The people that run those things are the people that really care about animals. Not some glorified kooks who accept money from everywhere and try to put naked women on the street to get attention. Like I said, if this was an organization with an ounce of credibility, I would be much slower to judge.
 
Wake said:
No, it shows that PETA does have reasons to euthanize animals, and I'm sure there are many more animals than those five that have been euthanized. If PETA has to euthanize 9 out of 10 animals, then that is unfortunate, and I don't really see how that makes them hypocritical. What are they supposed to do with all of these animals year-to-year?

I don't have enough knowledge on the vet issue, so that's not been an argument I've decided to argue.
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They wouldn't so much be hypocrits if their followers weren't out there protesting animal shelters for having to put down animals. Of course animals have to be put down, for a wide variety of reasons. But when one part of your orginizaion is decrying it while another is performing it; you have perhaps a situation which could be considered hypocritical.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Its simple really. Get a friggin vet that can fix something, fix it, give them to a no kill shelter. How hard is that? My dog is from a no-kill shelter. The people that run those things are the people that really care about animals. Not some glorified kooks who accept money from everywhere and try to put naked women on the street to get attention. Like I said, if this was an organization with an ounce of credibility, I would be much slower to judge.
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How many no-kill shelters do you think it'd take to support the mass influx of animals at PETA?

As for vets, I don't know. I don't know what the cost would be to have all of these adept vets that'll take care of these animals. Are these vets going to be paid the same amount as normal veterinarians?

Don't get me wrong—I'm very skeptical of PETA. That doesn't mean I'll totally overlook any good aspects of the organization. They do need to get their act together, which I doubt will happen.

Ikari said:
(1) They wouldn't so much be hypocrits if their followers weren't out there protesting animal shelters for having to put down animals. Of course animals have to be put down, for a wide variety of reasons. But when one part of your orginizaion is decrying it while another is performing it; you have perhaps a situation which could be considered hypocritical.
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(1) That is pretty silly of them. They should know that PETA euthanizes animals, thus they shouldn't moan when other animal shelters do so.

You're right on that point. Those PETA members, imho, need to get a clue.
 
MarineTpartier said:
You have to admit, a .5 in 10 ratio is pretty garbage. To use a PETA argument, if these were people we'd shut down the hospital in about 15 minutes with those stats.
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And a place that took in termanally ill patients woulld have a 100 % mortality rate. Sounds bad outside of context.
 
Redress said:
And a place that took in termanally ill patients woulld have a 100 % mortality rate. Sounds bad outside of context.
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Good counterpoint. I will concede that if all they took in was terminally ill animals, it would exonerate them of their high mortality rate. This brings me to the other point I made though. PETA is so extreme and has pushed themselves so far to the fringe that no one is going to believe them when they say that most of their animals need to be put down. Personally, I believe PETA would say anything to keep the money flowing. Color me skeptical.
 
Wake said:
How many no-kill shelters do you think it'd take to support the mass influx of animals at PETA?

As for vets, I don't know. I don't know what the cost would be to have all of these adept vets that'll take care of these animals. Are these vets going to be paid the same amount as normal veterinarians?

Don't get me wrong—I'm very skeptical of PETA. That doesn't mean I'll totally overlook any good aspects of the organization. They do need to get their act together, which I doubt will happen.
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I don't believe they would have to be special vets or anything. Just competent ones lol. There are no-kill shelters all over the place man. Maybe PETA should stop running these naked ads and start up some shelters.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Good counterpoint. I will concede that if all they took in was terminally ill animals, it would exonerate them of their high mortality rate. This brings me to the other point I made though. PETA is so extreme and has pushed themselves so far to the fringe that no one is going to believe them when they say that most of their animals need to be put down. Personally, I believe PETA would say anything to keep the money flowing. Color me skeptical.
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This I agree with.

There have been numerous instances of stupidity and mock outrage from PETA that they've become a laughingstock, imho.
 
MarineTpartier said:
(1) I don't believe they would have to be special vets or anything. Just competent ones lol. (2) There are no-kill shelters all over the place man. (3) Maybe PETA should stop running these naked ads and start up some shelters.
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(1) I guess, but what makes you say they're not competent [I haven't been following the vet side of this issue].

(2) If PETA were to stop euthanizing the 9 out of ten, save for the necessary euthanizations, I don't think there'd be enough no-kill shelters for all of them.

(3) Agreed. They should follow what other no-kill shelters are doing and channel their resources there, while also not making themselves look like fools.
 
Redress said:
Which means it is not a widespread solution.

Look, I love animals, and I am saddened at the thought of euthenizing animals. I would love to see the people who abused them euthenized first. However, sometimes it is just the least bad solution in a world with limited resources and too many animals.
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The worst cases require experienced people like this. Some cases aren't like that though. And even though it isn't a ubiquitous solution, it would certainly help. I'm just saying that people could be a lot better educated. I think many dogs that are returned to shelters could have been kept if the owners had a better education about dog behavior and psychology.
 
Wake said:
This I agree with.

There have been numerous instances of stupidity and mock outrage from PETA that they've become a laughingstock, imho.
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I couldn't agree more. Nobody is for the ethical treatment of animals more than me but this group has become so radical that it's impossible to take them serious.
 
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