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Documents: PETA kills more than 95 percent of pets in its care

Thorgasm said:
PETA wastes a lot of time and money on retarded campaigns like calling fish "sea kittens". They could be so much more effective if they put that money into teaching people how to read and communicate with cats, dogs, and other domesticated animals. People are amazed when Cesar Millan can immediately alter unwanted behavior in dogs. It isn't magic. Instead of reading books about how to rehabilitate animals, people give up and blame the animal for not being able to be rehomed. This is a failure on man's part, not the animals. "Dysfunctional" animals are created by humans. If one knows what they are doing, any animal that doesn't have some medical issue, can be rehabilitated. Yes, there are still too many animals and too few finances and volunteers to save them all, but we could do a helluva lot better.
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While the problem of animals that cannot be fully rehabilitated is a human made problem, it is true that many animals that where abused simply cannot be completely made safe, and sometimes safe seeming rescue animals can turn violent when some trigger happens. The cost and risk make full scale rehabilitation of abused animals unfeasible. It's sad, but it is true. It's like nokill shelters vs traditional shelters. While nokill shelters are a great idea, they are simply not practical as a replacement to traditional shelters. Nokill shelters fill up, and many animals spend a lifetime in small cages stacked floor to ceiling with other stressed animals, and are expensive to maintain.

The thing with PETA is also true with many other groups. They simply don't allow common sense to enter the equation. They do some good things, working to control feral animal populations, providing humane euthanasia to animal shelters that do not have the facilities nor training, low/no cost, mobile spay/neuter programs and educating people on the problems of overpopulation and need for spay/neuter. I even agree with some of their efforts into humane treatment of experimental animals. It's too bad they did not stop there, and it is too bad they use inappropriate tactics.

It is easy to condemn PETA out of hand. However, like many such organizations, they do some good, and they do some not so good. Things are not so black and white alot of the time as we would like to think.
 
Redress said:
While the problem of animals that cannot be fully rehabilitated is a human made problem, it is true that many animals that where abused simply cannot be completely made safe, and sometimes safe seeming rescue animals can turn violent when some trigger happens.
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Yet Cesar Millan manages to have a pack of 30+ dogs that were deemed "hopeless". It is possible. Of course, those dogs can't be with just anyone. You have to know what you are doing and have to be the pack leader at all times.
 
Thorgasm said:
Yet Cesar Millan manages to have a pack of 30+ dogs that were deemed "hopeless". It is possible. Of course, those dogs can't be with just anyone. You have to know what you are doing and have to be the pack leader at all times.
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Which means it is not a widespread solution.

Look, I love animals, and I am saddened at the thought of euthenizing animals. I would love to see the people who abused them euthenized first. However, sometimes it is just the least bad solution in a world with limited resources and too many animals.
 
Thorgasm said:
Yet Cesar Millan manages to have a pack of 30+ dogs that were deemed "hopeless". It is possible. Of course, those dogs can't be with just anyone. You have to know what you are doing and have to be the pack leader at all times.
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He's an animal hoarder.
 
Redress said:
Which means it is not a widespread solution.

Look, I love animals, and I am saddened at the thought of euthenizing animals. I would love to see the people who abused them euthenized first. However, sometimes it is just the least bad solution in a world with limited resources and too many animals.
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That pretty much sums it up, IMO. There will always be stupid people making stupid judgements with their pets. For the life of me, I will never understand why some people get a dog then tie them outside 24/7. Or the idiots who don't spay or neuter. A guy at work posts an ad on our intranet site every six months or so with an offer of free kittens. I got so fed up with him I replied from a personal email address and told him to get his ****ing cat fixed. I have little doubt that many of those kitten end up at the HS eventually.

Like I said, people are stupid, and as long as we have stupid people, many animals will suffer. Some can be rehabilitated and saved, but that takes a great deal of time, money and effort. Unfortunately, many animal organizations are spread way too thin.
 
MrVicchio said:
Remember this guy?

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Saved.

How about this little fella? He was dumped, on the side of the road. Had we taken him to PETA, he'd have a 5% chance to not be fertilizer. Instead he's living the good life with a caring family. (no kill shelter for the win)
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How about this guy?

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He went to a large dog no kill group, he's now living the good life as ranch dog.

And of course, Wyatt (he's the blonde one)
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Dumped on a county road near Abilene, now living with us (Knox is my pom).

Everyone of these dogs
(and the poor skunk) would stand a good chance of being "ethically" killed by PETA. But what do you care? They do it "humanly" so it's OK.

Oh, there is another, I don't have his pic at the moment, a huskie my wife rescued, he was in such bad shape when we found him he pissed blood all over the back of the car. He's alive, and well today with a loving family.

**** PETA.
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And that's absolutely amazing. I wish every pet could have a great home.

Now lets talk about reality. Lets say every year you had 2000 dogs and cats dropped off and you had a limited budget for vet checkups, space for kennels to hold them etc... with your best effort you could adopt out 24 of those dogs a year. Lets say you just do a bang up job and Peta does a horrible job adopting out dogs. You manage to adopt out 500 of the 2000 dogs and cats every year. Are you just going to keep on collecting 1500 pets every year? It's unmanageable. It's aweful but true. Even the best no kill shelters that my wife and I have worked with take in maybe 30-50 dogs a year, because they can't find homes for all the ones they already are taking care of. If they had 2000 animals dropped off every year, they would just have to turn them down and they'd end up going to a kill shelter anyways.

I can't get mad at PETA because some humans don't take their responsibility of caring for their animals seriously. I doubt they enjoy having to euthanize animals, but there really is no better option when you get that many every year.
 
Wake said:
If PETA didn't euthanize animals, there'd be too many to take care of.

What I think people should do is take responsibility and spay/neuter their pets.
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Isn't PETA against that?
 
Ikari said:
Isn't PETA against that?
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No. That is what made the thread so stupid. People claiming PETA is hypocritical, based solely on the fact they don't actually understand PETA's positions.
 
Redress said:
No. That is what made the thread so stupid. People claiming PETA is hypocritical, based solely on the fact they don't actually understand PETA's positions.
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OK. I'll give them that. But PETA is hypocritical and a farce and ridiculous, meant only for mocking. There are real animal rights/abuse organizations out there. PETA is just a political blowhorn.
 
Ikari said:
OK. I'll give them that. But PETA is hypocritical and a farce and ridiculous, meant only for mocking. There are real animal rights/abuse organizations out there. PETA is just a political blowhorn.
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So you disaprove of programs to promote and provide spay/neutering? You disaprove of capturing diseased feral animals and euthenizing them? You disaprove of euthenization services for shelters that do not have the equipment or training to do it the approved most humane way?
 
Redress said:
So you disaprove of programs to promote and provide spay/neutering? You disaprove of capturing diseased feral animals and euthenizing them? You disaprove of euthenization services for shelters that do not have the equipment or training to do it the approved most humane way?
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I disapprove of PETA's terrorist supporting asses. I disapprove of them running their mouths on animal testing, yet using the fruits of animal testing (such as insulin). I disapprove of their major goals seemingly being political activism instead of promoting and working towards the cause of reducing real animal abuse.

As I said, there are a lot better organizations out there aimed at the protection of animals that do not have all the same hypocrisy and insane political idealism of PETA.
 
Ikari said:
I disapprove of PETA's terrorist supporting asses. I disapprove of them running their mouths on animal testing, yet using the fruits of animal testing (such as insulin). I disapprove of their major goals seemingly being political activism instead of promoting and working towards the cause of reducing real animal abuse.

As I said, there are a lot better organizations out there aimed at the protection of animals that do not have all the same hypocrisy and insane political idealism of PETA.
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I disapprove of those things, yes. However, I approve of their actions that actually do some good. There are a total of zero organizations I think do nothing but good. We live in a world where there are shades of grey. In the case of PETA and euthanasia of animals, what they are doing is a good thing and is 100 % consistent with their views.
 
Redress said:
So you disaprove of programs to promote and provide spay/neutering? You disaprove of capturing diseased feral animals and euthenizing them? You disaprove of euthenization services for shelters that do not have the equipment or training to do it the approved most humane way?
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I'm bothered about the fact that they don't collect the fur of all these animals they slaughter so that people can have coats.
 
PETA should just get into abortions to fund it's pet shelter programs. It's not as if people are lining up to save or take care of animals animals. May as well make money doing something people are lining up for.
 
Redress said:
You are apparently unaware of PETA's positions. They support it. That would mean that euthanizing animals is not hypocrisy. In fact they have solid reasons why euthanasia is necessary. Animal Rights Uncompromised: Euthanasia | PETA.org

PETA did not go after the president for swatting a fly. They joked around a bit and made some generic comments about being kind to all animals, and then only when asked by the media. Obama and the Fly, Part Deux | PETA.org

I am not a fan of PETA since they go too far in some things and their tactics are not what I consider appropriate. However, this thread is the ultimate fail since it requires people to be entirely ignorant of the actual topic. More reading on the topic: Euthanasia | PETA.org



That is something I can actually agree with. PETA uses the appropriate, noncruel methods approved by the US Humane Society and AMVA.
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My problem would not be PETA euthanizing unwanted and sick animals in a non cruel way. My issue is that PETA receives so much in ways of donations to SAVE animals and yet puts down such a high percentage. Basically it is a scam on their part is what I have problems with.
 
00timh said:
My problem would not be PETA euthanizing unwanted and sick animals in a non cruel way. My issue is that PETA receives so much in ways of donations to SAVE animals and yet puts down such a high percentage. Basically it is a scam on their part is what I have problems with.
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PETA does not run animal shelters. If some one is giving money to PETA to save animals in the situation they are euthenizing them, it's their own fault for not knowing what PETA does. Of course, I would recommend donating to the SPCA or Humane Society over PETA. Both of those are great organizations with little downside.
 


Pretty much sums up PETA
 
Redress said:
PETA does not run animal shelters. If some one is giving money to PETA to save animals in the situation they are euthenizing them, it's their own fault for not knowing what PETA does. Of course, I would recommend donating to the SPCA or Humane Society over PETA. Both of those are great organizations with little downside.
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This is why I refuse to send money to any crisis or cause. Corruption is rampant with the money donated. Me sending canned goods and a few cases of water to the hurricane Katrina victims went a lot further than those who sent out a $50 check.

I will be honest and say that I am not much of an animal person. I have had a few pets, but just don't have any ambition right now to have one. As I said, I have no problems with any org. putting down these animals in a humane way. people sending all this money to them, or anyone and then them taking this money then putting down the animals is corrupt, and scandalous. People should send pet food and other essential items used for pet care rather than sending money.
 
00timh said:
This is why I refuse to send money to any crisis or cause. Corruption is rampant with the money donated. Me sending canned goods and a few cases of water to the hurricane Katrina victims went a lot further than those who sent out a $50 check.

I will be honest and say that I am not much of an animal person. I have had a few pets, but just don't have any ambition right now to have one. As I said, I have no problems with any org. putting down these animals in a humane way. people sending all this money to them, or anyone and then them taking this money then putting down the animals is corrupt, and scandalous. People should send pet food and other essential items used for pet care rather than sending money.
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I like donating time, but I could not do it working with animals. I get way too attached way too quick.
 
Guys, maybe we should cut PETA a bit of slack:

In my first year working at a grossly substandard animal shelter in Maryland, I forced myself to go in early to euthanize dogs by holding them in my arms and gently helping them escape an uncaring world without trauma or pain and to spare them from being stabbed haphazardly—while they were fully conscious, terrified and aware—in the general vicinity of their hearts with needles blunt from reuse and left to thrash on the floor until they finally died by the callous people who would arrive later to do the job.

I always wonder how anyone cannot recognize that there is a world of difference between painlessly euthanizing animals out of compassion—aged, injured, sick, and dying animals whose guardians can't afford euthanasia, for instance—as PETA does, and causing them to suffer terror, pain, and a prolonged death while struggling to survive on the streets, at the hands of untrained and uncaring "technicians," or animal abusers.
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Why We Euthanize | PETA.org

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Diamond was suffering from a painful facial tumor that was slowly eating away at his face

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Sasha had a severely infected bite wound.

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This dog was suffering from advanced cancer.

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Santana had facial injuries so serious that his right eye was swollen shut and his jaw was ripped and hanging.

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Big Girl was still alive when a field worker found her.
 
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00timh said:
This is why I refuse to send money to any crisis or cause. Corruption is rampant with the money donated. Me sending canned goods and a few cases of water to the hurricane Katrina victims went a lot further than those who sent out a $50 check.

I will be honest and say that I am not much of an animal person. I have had a few pets, but just don't have any ambition right now to have one. As I said, I have no problems with any org. putting down these animals in a humane way. people sending all this money to them, or anyone and then them taking this money then putting down the animals is corrupt, and scandalous. People should send pet food and other essential items used for pet care rather than sending money.
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I'm with you brother. I am very, very hesitant to send money to any organization. The only place that gets my money is my church. I treat these organizations like homeless people. I will buy a homeless guy a huge meal, take him into Wal-Mart to buy clothes, into the grocery store if need be, but he's not getting a red cent of actual money. I just don't know where its gonna go.
 
Wake said:
Guys, maybe we should cut PETA a bit of slack:



Why We Euthanize | PETA.org

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Diamond was suffering from a painful facial tumor that was slowly eating away at his face

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Sasha had a severely infected bite wound.

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This dog was suffering from advanced cancer.

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Santana had facial injuries so serious that his right eye was swollen shut and his jaw was ripped and hanging.

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Big Girl was still alive when a field worker found her.
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Forgive me if I'm skeptical bro. These animals should have been put down, I agree. However, 95% of the animals in their care don't look like this I'm sure. Further, I am not going to trust an organization with as radical a background as PETA. Their track record hurts their credibility IMO.
 
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