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Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

1Perry said:
I'm wondering how it could be that nobody at a parade would have seen what transpired?
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People saw it happen. Then they went home. If you need a witness, it's usually a good idea to get one before they all go home.

Without any witnesses, it becomes a liar's game. The prosecution had no evidence. The judge should have just dismissed the case without the lecture. I've been lectured to before from the bench. It's not part of the case. The judge will wait until the case is officially over before he/she makes you listen to the lecture. You can walk out while the judge is still talking to you and you won't be cited for contempt, but I doubt anyone ever does.

At this point, the lecture is not grounds to dismiss the judge. It's just some friendly advice.
 
Peter Grimm said:
It's a philosophical position that some of us take.

If you want to read up on it, it's called "natural law." Natural law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, as you already know but out of duty I should mention, the Declaration of Independence contains this memorable line: "we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights."

I would hold that philosophical view regardless. It is nice to know that the founding fathers shared it, however.
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Yet as Kant has shown us, natural law can be derived without invoking a deity.
 
Thunder said:
no, you can't use the excuse "dem iz fightin' words"...to justify assault.
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Mitigate. Yes, you can mitigate assault by saying I was provoked.

And, if the words could create a potentially dangerous situation, then they're not covered.
 
hazlnut said:
Mitigate. Yes, you can mitigate assault by saying I was provoked.

And, if the words could create a potentially dangerous situation, then they're not covered.
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So if I punch someone for wearing a Zombie Jesus costume I can get away with it because I "was provoked?"
 
hazlnut said:
Mitigate. Yes, you can mitigate assault by saying I was provoked.

And, if the words could create a potentially dangerous situation, then they're not covered.
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It is not an excuse to assault someone. You don't get a "pass". The government can tell you not to say those things.
 
hazlnut said:
Mitigate. Yes, you can mitigate assault by saying I was provoked.

And, if the words could create a potentially dangerous situation, then they're not covered.
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If you physically attack someone you do not get a "pass". The government can tell you not to use those words.

Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (If you don't know anything about these folks please read otherwise the quote below won't make any sense)
Actions by opponents

During a picket in Seaford, Delaware on May 21, 2006, one person broke through police lines and assaulted WBC members who fled into a police van. Five people faced criminal charge.

Early in the morning of August 2, 2008, someone set fire to a garage near the Westboro Baptist Church, causing an estimated $10,000 in damages.

On November 30, 2010, disabled Army veteran Ryan Newell was arrested in his parked SUV outside the Wichita, Kansas, city hall while members of WBC were in a meeting inside. Guns and ammunition were found in the back of the SUV, and Newell was charged with weapons violations and felony conspiracy to commit aggravated battery. On June 23, 2011, Newell pled guilty to impersonating a law enforcement officer and was sentenced to two years of probation. Newell received public support for his actions, and fundraisers and websites were created by the public to help in his defense.
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The guy who dressed up in the case we are talking about may or may not have been trying to make a point that he believes Muslims are wrong, but it does not matter. Plenty of groups find parody of their icons to be offensive, we should make an exception for Muslims's?

Part of the point of the marketplace of ideas is that eventually "the better" or "the right" idea will win.

I a not offended by things like this. For example I find the show South Park hilarious and it has crossed many lines of socially acceptable limits, so what? :rofl
 
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Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

Sparky said:
According to the news source, the Judge was muslim. Isn't that a conflict of interest?
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Only if the Judge suscribes to Sharia... then absolutely.

Thunder
so Christian judges can't rule on cases dealing with Christianity?
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The point is that Sharia, and Islam, are united with regards to law, religion, culture, etc. They cannot be separated and therefore the Muslim Judge cannot be impartial while the Christian one can be.
 
Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

I think we should impose Sharia Law on that judge, and cut his tongue out for saying bad words to the accused. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

Legally, pretending to be zombie Muhammed is not fighting words. Neo-Nazis can march, and antiabortion demonstrators can yell at people entering a Planned Parenthood. Think more: Saying something like "I'm gonna enjoy stomping your face in", or telling someone to walk over a rotten bridge, or running around telling people who don't know any better that there's an emergency.

"that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace"

If the guy was mocking something besides religion I doubt he would've been assaulted.
 
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"Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US? "

"To put it simply, without these "experts," their donors, and Fox News (their media mouthpiece) you would never have heard that a Muslim community center (the "Ground Zero Mosque") was being constructed in New York City. And the center certainly would not have become a major news story.

A new report details how a small group of donors and 'intellectuals' have pushed Islamophobia into the mainstream."

Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US? - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
 
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Kane said:
"Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US? "

"To put it simply, without these "experts," their donors, and Fox News (their media mouthpiece) you would never have heard that a Muslim community center (the "Ground Zero Mosque") was being constructed in New York City. And the center certainly would not have become a major news story.

A new report details how a small group of donors and 'intellectuals' have pushed Islamophobia into the mainstream."

Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US? - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
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Two things.

1. Could you find a source of "Muslim Baiting" that is not supplied by a Muslim news orqanization please, and;
2. I think that most people only need to here the very real news reports of Muslim suicide bombers, the 911 attacks, the attack on the Cole and the embassies in Africa, the shootings of US Soldiers by Muslim US Soldiers etc etc etc already pretty much established the phobia about Islam.

Get a grip and use some perspective.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Two things.

1. Could you find a source of "Muslim Baiting" that is not supplied by a Muslim news orqanization please, and;
Get a grip and use some perspective.
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A. Look in my posts at my profile
B. When you want something, don't insult people
C. Don't generalize about your personal xenophobia
D. Your views are amateurish and uninformed about govmnt propaganda
 
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Kane said:
A. Look in my posts at my profile
B. When you want something, don't insult people
C. Don't generalize about your personal xenophobia
D. Your views are amateurish and uninformed about govmnt propaganda
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A. No
B. It was not intended as an insult though I can see now that it is written like one... I apologize.
C. I am not taking the view of one that is fearful of Islam, so no phobia here.
D. We haven't talked about government propoganda so I am not sure how you arrived at that conclusion and you use a source that mocks Fox News as a mouth piece for Islamaphobia with a source started by and run by Muslims that has been accused of being a Muslim mouth piece against Islamaphobia. THAT sounds amateurish.
 
Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

American said:
I think we should impose Sharia Law on that judge, and cut his tongue out for saying bad words to the accused. :mrgreen:
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yeah. this judge's ruling offends me. actually, now that I think about it, the fact that this guy is a Muslim offends me as a Christian. how dare he disagree with me in public! wonder if you can find out online where he lives, this guy might need a good remedial choking....
 
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