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Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

Thunder said:
its not a bull**** Truther theory, that Bush failed in many ways to stop terrorism & prevent 9-11. Its a fact. Ask Richard Clarke.
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Wow, I didn't think you were serious.
 
If for nothing else, Obama should get blamed for the effects of his on-again, off-again, on-again attitude toward domestic oil and gas production. But nobody has ever accused Obama of being consistent.
 
Thunder said:
how childish.

I wasn't talking about bull**** Truther theories. I was referring to blaiming Bush for not doing enough to stop the threat and deal with terrorism head on.

If we can blaim Obama for gas prices, than we can blaim Bush for ALL of the failures that took place before and on 9-11.
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You mean the whole 18 months Bush was in office prior to 9/11? Clinton knew about this threat for 8 years and did nothing, including a chance to take out bin Laden that he chose to pass on. Clinton also said Iraq had nuclear weapons, and did nothing.
 
He is doing all he can possibly do to bring Israel to the peace table and deal with the problems re Iran..

That market nervousness is what is driving higher prices.

Gie said:
President Obama does not "accept responsibility" for high gas prices, his spokesman indicated today, arguing that Obama has done everything he could to bring down the price of oil and blaming the high gas prices on oil price increases caused by global factors.

"The president accepts the responsibility that he identified the next president should accept, which is the need for comprehensive energy policy," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today when asked if Obama "accept responsibility" for the high price of oil and gas. "If you're suggesting that there is responsibility for a rise in the price of oil, it's certainly not because of anything he hasn't done to expand oil production," Carney added.

Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

This is an interesting and important turn in the upcoming election. Can Obama, with his moratoriums and pipeline blocking, successfully pull off the "don't blame me" game when few presidents before him could? IMO 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas could spell the end for his re-election plans, despite the mess the republican filed of contenders is. This is an issue that will weigh heavily on the outcome of the election IMO.
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1Perry said:
It isn't all his fault but if gas continue's to rise he will be the one blamed come November.
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True. However, what people miss is that when you seek to assign blame, you have to point to actions taken or not taken that are the cause. Causal relationships are difficult, and can't be just that he was president.
 
Mycroft said:
If for nothing else, Obama should get blamed for the effects of his on-again, off-again, on-again attitude toward domestic oil and gas production. But nobody has ever accused Obama of being consistent.
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Doesn't seem on again or off again. He shut production down in the gulf during a disaster. That was prudent. Price of oil determines production in the U.S. the easy to get oil has been gotten. As the price rises oil companies are more willing to spend the money to get the oil that is harder to get. That is the major determining factor in U.S. oil production.
 
Didn't ethanol blending subsidies expire late last year (not that I don't agree with)? Wouldn't that have an affect on the gasoline prices? Who allowed them to expire? just sayin...
 
kenvin said:
Doesn't seem on again or off again. He shut production down in the gulf during a disaster. That was prudent. Price of oil determines production in the U.S. the easy to get oil has been gotten. As the price rises oil companies are more willing to spend the money to get the oil that is harder to get. That is the major determining factor in U.S. oil production.
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On again: Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time - NYTimes.com

Off again: Obama bans offshore oil drilling in Atlantic waters - USATODAY.com

On again: Obama calls for offshore oil drilling and clean energy

Inconsistency is also a factor in the determination of the price of oil.
 
Mycroft said:
On again: Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time - NYTimes.com

Off again: Obama bans offshore oil drilling in Atlantic waters - USATODAY.com

On again: Obama calls for offshore oil drilling and clean energy

Inconsistency is also a factor in the determination of the price of oil.
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Inconsistency in politics is nothing new and does not affect the fluctuations of oil. Well wars and embargos affect it, but that isn't what we are talking about. Oil is a world wide commodity. Off shore drilling was going to be allowed then a huge oil spill happened in deep water and they thought it was a good idea to reassess the idea of wanton deep water drilling off the coast. Now he reverses in an election year. Obama is running for re election.
 
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Gie said:
President Obama does not "accept responsibility" for high gas prices,
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Why not blame him for the weather. Makes about as much sense.
 
kenvin said:
1. Inconsistency in politics is nothing new and does not affect the fluctuations of oil. Well wars and embargos affect it, but that isn't what we are talking about. Oil is a world wide commodity. Off shore drilling was going to be allowed then a huge oil spill happened in deep water and they thought it was a good idea to reassess the idea of wanton deep water drilling off the coast.

2. Now he reverses in an election year. Obama is running for re election.
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1. Not only do I disagree with you, but oil industry leaders disagree with you:

Oil and gas industry leaders lobbed criticism at the Obama administration Wednesday, using the stage of an annual industry conference in Houston to assert that the domestic energy boom has occurred in spite of what they call a corrosive energy strategy out of the White House.

Energy executives and other industry players took President Barack Obama to task during the Winter NAPE Conference, an annual expo of oil and gas prospects, technology exhibits and industry networking.

They said the White House has limited the availability of federal land for drilling and created an atmosphere of uncertainty over future regulations and taxes, reinforcing the nation's tether to oil imports and keeping gasoline prices high.

"These have been the most difficult three years from a policy standpoint that I've ever seen in my career," said Bruce Vincent, president of Houston-based oil and natural gas producer Swift Energy. "They've done nothing but restrict access and delay permitting."

"The Obama administration, unfortunately, has threatened this industry at every turn."
Oil and gas leaders slam Obama - Houston Chronicle
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2. This has been my contention all along...that Obama's flip-flops have been politically motivated and have no relation to what's best for the country.
 
Mycroft said:
1. Not only do I disagree with you, but oil industry leaders disagree with you:



2. This has been my contention all along...that Obama's flip-flops have been politically motivated and have no relation to what's best for the country.
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Some oil companies didn't want to comply with safety regulations..
 
Mycroft said:
2. This has been my contention all along...that Obama's flip-flops have been politically motivated and have no relation to what's best for the country.
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When exactly are flip flops related to something other than politics? "What's best for the country" is almost always debatable anyway.
 
sharon said:
Some oil companies didn't want to comply with safety regulations..
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If this were only about safety regulations, you might have a point...if you can prove that oil companies don't want to comply with them. But it's not. It's about the inconsistency of the Obama administration. Heck, he can't make up his mind whether to allow drilling or not. It all depends, for him, on whether his current position will help him get elected.

Oh, and avoiding blame.
 
Top Cat said:
When exactly are flip flops related to something other than politics? "What's best for the country" is almost always debatable anyway.
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I see...

So you would debate that it is good for US gas prices to be dependent upon the whims of OPEC?
 
Mycroft said:
If this were only about safety regulations, you might have a point...if you can prove that oil companies don't want to comply with them. But it's not. It's about the inconsistency of the Obama administration. Heck, he can't make up his mind whether to allow drilling or not. It all depends, for him, on whether his current position will help him get elected.

Oh, and avoiding blame.
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Actually I know about it first hand because my brother was asked to solve the safety audit issues..
 
Mycroft said:
If this were only about safety regulations, you might have a point...if you can prove that oil companies don't want to comply with them. But it's not. It's about the inconsistency of the Obama administration. Heck, he can't make up his mind whether to allow drilling or not. It all depends, for him, on whether his current position will help him get elected.

Oh, and avoiding blame.
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The oil companies are lobbying the government for more mineral rights. They always do that. Other companies are lobbying for a restriction to their rights. sometimes these companies use the media to put pressure on politicians. When the Florida tourism and fishing industry starts airing commercials showing the gulf oil spill and platforms mucking up the view from their beaches it will have an effect too. There are many things to consider when making these decisions. If things were easy they wouldn't be so hard.
 
kenvin said:
When the Florida tourism and fishing industry starts airing commercials showing the gulf oil spill and platforms mucking up the view from their beaches it will have an effect too.
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First off, its easy to solve the first problem. Florida could work with the Oil Cos to set a minimum distance they can be from shore. 15-20 miles would be adequate and no one would see the rigs from shore. As far as fishing, well, the fisherman love oil rigs. Especially in the Gulf. They create habitat and are some of the best fishing spots in the Gulf.
 
Fishstyx said:
First off, its easy to solve the first problem. Florida could work with the Oil Cos to set a minimum distance they can be from shore. 15-20 miles would be adequate and no one would see the rigs from shore. As far as fishing, well, the fisherman love oil rigs. Especially in the Gulf. They create habitat and are some of the best fishing spots in the Gulf.
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Yes.. fishing is unbelievable in the Persian Gulf around the offshore platforms.
 
Fishstyx said:
First off, its easy to solve the first problem. Florida could work with the Oil Cos to set a minimum distance they can be from shore. 15-20 miles would be adequate and no one would see the rigs from shore. As far as fishing, well, the fisherman love oil rigs. Especially in the Gulf. They create habitat and are some of the best fishing spots in the Gulf.
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Really fishing still isn't back to what it was in the Gulf before the spill, and you can certainly see oil rigs from the beach in Galveston.
 
1Perry said:
It isn't all his fault but if gas continue's to rise he will be the one blamed come November.
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I'm sure you'll be the first to give him credit for the improving economy come November too.
 
Obama is not directly responsible for oil prices. Market forces dictate that. But, Obama has chosen not to do several things that could have helped the price of oil. From approving new leases, to drilling in ANWAR, approving off shore drilling to the pipeline he shot down...all would have helped with the cost of oil, to some extent. Of course, there are outside forces that he can't control like the Saudis and Iran. But there is no doubt that he could have created a better environment and avoided some of the criticism (I'm not going to pretend someone some where wouldn't be dogging him) if he had done some of these high profile actions.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Obama is not directly responsible for oil prices. Market forces dictate that. But, Obama has chosen not to do several things that could have helped the price of oil. From approving new leases, to drilling in ANWAR, approving off shore drilling to the pipeline he shot down...all would have helped with the cost of oil, to some extent. Of course, there are outside forces that he can't control like the Saudis and Iran. But there is no doubt that he could have created a better environment and avoided some of the criticism (I'm not going to pretend someone some where wouldn't be dogging him) if he had done some of these high profile actions.
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Actually Obama approved 60 new Deepwater drilling permits in the Gulf of Mexico last fall.

The Saudis have increased production to protect both the dollar and supply in EVERY geopolitical crisis.
 
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