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Girl Beaten Unconscious Over Bus Seat: Cops

it's not his fault.

It was his fault. There was mayhem on that bus, he lost control of those students, he operated the bus in an unsafe manner. Children were crying out to him that there was a beat down in the bus. He is charged with the safe operation of that vehicle. The bus driver stated that, "he did not know there had been a fight on the bus". The chaos, the yelling and the frenzy that occurred right behind him and that should have been enough for the bus driver to become aware of the situation and take control of his vehicle.

According to Tommy Crosby, the district's executive director of support services, "the driver failed to take attendance, failed to keep control of the bus, and failed to follow a seating chart that requires boys and girls to sit on opposite sides. Bobbie Engelhardt, coordinator of transportation, told the board that she immediately met with Cosenza and they began watching a security video, which revealed an out-of-control bus."

http://www.ocala.com/article/20120209/ARTICLES/120209657?tc=ar
 
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Bull****! If it were my child on the bus, I'd be all over school district officials like white on rice. School systems have the responsibility of protecting the health and safety of children from the moment they step on a school bus until the moment they steep off at home once again. They'd have to call out the National Guard to get me off of the school district.

WHY did the bus driver not pull over and call 911? Why did he or she not do that? Oh, no, no, no. Heads would ****ing roll if that were my child!

My freshman year I was on the bus after school in mid September. It was probably 102 outside and easily 115 on the bus (no AC!!). Somewhere between the stop before mine and my stop the idiots at the back who'd be arguing about the superiority of the Bloods v. the Crips raised their voices loud enough to catch the attention of the bus driver. She stopped the bus and said she wouldn't move or let anybody off until the idiots shut up. They didn't hear or didn't listen so I, being a self-important little twerp, stood up and screamed, "Hey, dip****s. We're all sitting here because of you. Why don't you shut the **** up so we can get moving!"

Well, the idiots didn't seem to like that and one of them started screaming threats at me. The bus driver pulled me to the front by the door, stood between us, and radio the school to report the incident immediately. She then took down the girl's name and stop number (and mine) and filed disciplinary actions against both of us. The girl who made the threats was banned from the bus for a month and received ISS (in school suspension) and a week of detention during lunch. I got a week of detention during lunch.

But the point is, the bus driver got involved. She was quick, efficient, and quelled the issue before it could become something violent. I think we need more of that.
 
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But the point is, the bus driver got involved. She was quick, efficient, and quelled the issue before it could become something violent. I think we need more of that.

I think we need more of that as well, but more importantly, I think we need more parents who will teach their children not to act like little animals.
 
I think we need more of that as well, but more importantly, I think we need more parents who will teach their children not to act like little animals.

Each component of this incident is responsible: the children, the school, the driver and the parents. Each has to shoulder their burden and act more responsibly before something like this happens again.
 
It wouldn't have escalated as badly as it did IF the bus driver would have taken control of the situation immediately. He didn't.

If that kid was yours, you wouldn't find fault with his actions? Really? I damn sure would.
 
Each component of this incident is responsible: the children, the school, the driver and the parents. Each has to shoulder their burden and act more responsibly before something like this happens again.

Imo, the most important and liable component lies on the parents. Children learn how to act from their parents, starting in early childhood. If we didn't have authority figures teaching us how to act, we'd barely be above the level of animals, which is what these kids were acting like. Children will usually act in the manner which they have been taught is acceptable in their formative years.

Sure the bus driver should have done more, but the parenting is the critical factor here. As for the kids, their behavior is atrocious, but if they've never learned to behave and control their impulses, then they are just doing what their overriding instinct tells them to do.
 
Imo, the most important and liable component lies on the parents. Children learn how to act from their parents, starting in early childhood. If we didn't have authority figures teaching us how to act, we'd barely be above the level of animals, which is what these kids were acting like. Children will usually act in the manner which they have been taught is acceptable in their formative years.

Sure the bus driver should have done more, but the parenting is the critical factor here. As for the kids, their behavior is atrocious, but if they've never learned to behave and control their impulses, then they are just doing what their overriding instinct tells them to do.


The children and the bus driver were the only parties present when this occurred. The ages range from 12 to 15. To suggest that this was the largely result of poor parenting is spurious and without basis. Indeed, one can suggest that if the parents were present on the bus this never would have taken place.
 
Something bad happened! It must be the liberals' fault.

It's interesting how supposedly a majority of the country is conservative, yet liberals seem to make all the rules.

Feel persecuted much?

Every mom wanted her son too be a doctor or a lawyer and now we are awash in lawyers looking for somebody to sue, we have become a litigious society and the reason I blamed libs is because lawyers tend to be democrats or at least support democrats, just the way it is.
 
75 kids on a bus? That sounds like too many kids... is the school not paying attention? Those kids should go to jail. Punish them harshly now and teach them that that is not acceptable or they will be worse as adults.
 
Those kids should go to jail. Punish them harshly now and teach them that that is not acceptable or they will be worse as adults.
LMFAO 12 year olds in general population...

Sorry I couldnt help it.
 
Every mom wanted her son too be a doctor or a lawyer and now we are awash in lawyers looking for somebody to sue, we have become a litigious society and the reason I blamed libs is because lawyers tend to be democrats or at least support democrats, just the way it is.


If conservatives are the majority, how is that it seems every occupation is majority liberal. Teachers, artists, lawyers, auto plant workers, journalists, (drug dealers, hookers :p)... It would just seem that the percentages would follow the overall population. Some professions may be awfully liberal, but to listen to some of you guys, it's all of them.
 
Link plz... =\?

I'll have to agree with wanting a link, considering a good number of lawyers go into politics and a good number of politicians are republicans. Common sense really.
 
LMFAO 12 year olds in general population...

Sorry I couldnt help it.

Actually I'm all for capital punishment for 12 year olds, and this bunch of high school-aged miscreants would definitely be in line for it.
 
Actually I'm all for capital punishment for 12 year olds, and this bunch of high school-aged miscreants would definitely be in line for it.

...I'm for donkeyfisting. Only because it is somewhat less absurd than what you say.
 
...I'm for donkeyfisting. Only because it is somewhat less absurd than what you say.

Why is holding children accountable for their actions "absurd"? As a parent I have found that this produces quality children that are growing into respectful and responsible young people. He started out with jail. You added the "general population". I taught at a juvenile detention center and the kids there certainly deserved it. What is wrong with jail for kids that beat other kids unconscious?
 
Adults cannot touch children and apparently most children know that these days. It would be a good idea to have an adult on each bus but as soon as the kids determined that the adult have no real power it wouldn't matter.

Adults can touch minors if they are stopping a beating. I stopped a girl when she pulled a knife on a boy and started to attack him over a CD. I practically flipped her onto the desk since she was so crazy and the authorities were completely fine with it.
 
Why is holding children accountable for their actions "absurd"? As a parent I have found that this produces quality children that are growing into respectful and responsible young people. He started out with jail. You added the "general population". I taught at a juvenile detention center and the kids there certainly deserved it. What is wrong with jail for kids that beat other kids unconscious?


Great, throw a bus-full of 12 year olds in general population and subject them to the death penalty.
Iran isn't even that absurd.
 
So MKboy,
What is your solution in handling this situation?
 
Great, throw a bus-full of 12 year olds in general population and subject them to the death penalty.
Iran isn't even that absurd.

Are you unable or unwilling to talk about this honestly and why?
 
Are you unable or unwilling to talk about this honestly and why?

I am...

The terms of jail for 12 year olds was put out in this thread.
As was the death penalty.

I gave my answer.

I'll happily discuss more if you have more.
 
I am...

The terms of jail for 12 year olds was put out in this thread.
As was the death penalty.

I gave my answer.

I'll happily discuss more if you have more.

Yeah... but you either purposely or ignorantly took them out of context. That is the issue...
 
Yeah... but you either purposely or ignorantly took them out of context. That is the issue...

Then give me the context..... of 12 year olds in jail. A jail for 12 year olds?
And the death penalty for 12 year old..... are you going to create some sort of lethal injection chamber modeled for tots?
 
There may be more to this incident than the information provided in the OP. What was the motive behind the beating? Did she do something that hurt some other students?
 
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