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While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited)

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Proud South Korean said:
:doh
Guess you never heard of the Sino-Soviet split
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and now china supports russia financially in their resource developments, including a hefty pipeline to china.

russia will do as they are being told, says their banker.
 
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WhyteRash said:
and now china supports russia financially in their resource developments, including a hefty pipeline to china.

russia will do as they are being told, says their banker.
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Trade between any two countries is something that even two enemies would do. Russia has pipelines all over the world, from Western Europe to the Korean peninsula. Who the **** is their banker?
If anybody knows **** about Cold War history, they'll know that even before the split, Chinese and Soviet relations were very chilly
 
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WhyteRash said:
and now china supports russia financially in their resource developments, including a hefty pipeline to china.

russia will do as they are being told, says their banker.
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Bullcrap! The man who controls the valves on the pipelines has the power. Russia is selling resources to China and good business says to be nice to China, Russia has the control. Meaning that no Country is going to tell them what to do. The USA is still mad at Putin for snatching control of Russia's OIL resources from the tentacles of Exxon/Mobil, JPMorgan and David Rockefeller.
 
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WhyteRash said:
russia will do whatever china tells them to do.. and like it..
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Not hardly.
 
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I think we should stay out of this. I'm with China and Russia this week.
 
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Higgins86 said:
melodramatic???? Hows that Bubble treating you?
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(Will ask again.)


What would your solution be to resolve the issue....??
 
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Cole said:
(Will ask again.)


What would your solution be to resolve the issue....??
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(will ask again)

How's that Bubble treating you?

p.s Not going to engage someone in a serious debate when they accuse you of being melodramatic whilst innocent people get butchered in the streets. Turn on the News tonight or read some articles before you start throwing around the word melodarmatic.

West offers words, only, as Syria killing rages | Reuters
The Associated Press: Humanitarian crisis deepens in Syrian city of Homs

Here is a good start for you but I warn you you may have to actually start searching for articles because it probably wont appear on your local 10 oclock news that you are so fond of. Read up on the death tolls, take in some eye witness accounts and watch some videos and see if that wakes you up.
 
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WhyteRash said:
and now china supports russia financially in their resource developments, including a hefty pipeline to china.

russia will do as they are being told, says their banker.
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Come again? It's the other way around. Especially now that Iran is under sanction siege. Russia can dictate terms to China as China needs Russia's resources far more then Russia needs Chinese credit.
 
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Look at y'all gettin' all trolled-up about a guy whos name is phonetically 'white trash'.

The Soviets get their marching orders from the Chi-coms! Read a newspaper!!

hah



China values its own currency. China operates without human, labor or environmental rights. Combined, we can see that China's economy is a paper tiger. If anyone's balls are in a sling, it's China. They would collapse if the US (and perhaps even just Russia) voided all deals and refused self-valued currency.
 
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Opposition activists said they had received reports that the Syrian army had transferred a significant quantity of grenades and mortars containing chemical agents to a school building in Homs.

The opposition also reported that gas masks were being distributed to soldiers at roadblocks.

Homs has become the focal point of violent confrontations between insurgents and the country's military in recent days, and opposition figures are concerned that the moves could signal the regime's intention to use chemical weapons against its citizens.

News agencies reported over 130 killed in Syria on Thursday, as Bashar Assad's government intensified its crackdown on an expanding uprising against his regime.
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Assad forces mull use of chemical weapons in Homs, opposition says - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News


If he gasses his people, then we do something, right?
 
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These pretexts are false. Do you recall that NPR used the Matt Cooper and Judy Miller false threats from the NYT before Iraq? The path to Iran is thru Syria apparently. Some Newspeak going on here. Militants armed by the U.S. have been destablizing the nations experiencing "the Arab Spring," (merely a new name for the protracted War on Terror.) Google News recently quoted Obama as using 9/11 in his speeches just as Bush/Cheney did in order to justify invasions of whatever country they wish, and at that time it was Iraq.

"The human rights crusade has been the medium through which an entire social layer of ex-left and liberal members of the more affluent sections of the middle class—a key constituency of the Democratic Party—has abandoned the antiwar posture it embraced under the Bush administration and largely integrated into the imperialist war drive under Obama.

"Typical of this layer is the MSNBC news program host Rachel Maddow, who appeared on NBC’s “Today” program Tuesday morning to declare that the “entire world” has lined up against Iran and that “everybody expects Israel to take the lead” in attacking the country’s nuclear program.

"The “entire world” for Maddow and her ilk consists of the capitalist governments of the US and Western Europe and presumably excludes Russia, China and India—comprising nearly half of the planet’s population—not to mention the hundreds of millions of working people throughout the world who oppose yet another and far bloodier war in the Middle East.


War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


Syria and the Seeds of World War

Land Destroyer: Syrian NGOs Working Directly With British Government

Land Destroyer: Clinton Turns to Naked Corporate-Fascism
 
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Higgins86 said:
(will ask again)

How's that Bubble treating you?

p.s Not going to engage someone in a serious debate when they accuse you of being melodramatic whilst innocent people get butchered in the streets. Turn on the News tonight or read some articles before you start throwing around the word melodramatic.
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Cole is right to be skeptical. People are being butchered by their government all of the time around the world. It is absolutely terrible, but the government terrorizing their citizens is not cause enough for intervention. Unless there is a credible path, we cannot really do much of anything to help them and may just make things worse. Again, what would you do?
 
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ecofarm said:
Assad forces mull use of chemical weapons in Homs, opposition says - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News


If he gasses his people, then we do something, right?
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History dictates that we rarely intervene when dictators are killing their own, unless there's an ulterior motive for us. Stalin, Pol Pot, murdered millions, but they were THEIR millions, so they died in their beds in old age. Hitler killed the neighbours, so he died in his bunker, in flames. Saddam and Muammar had oil we wanted, so their paltry thousands of dead were the perfect excuse for us. Syria? Not in the millions yet, and no oil. Invasion's unlikely.
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
Cole is right to be skeptical. People are being butchered by their government all of the time around the world. It is absolutely terrible, but the government terrorizing their citizens is not cause enough for intervention. Unless there is a credible path, we cannot really do much of anything to help them and may just make things worse. Again, what would you do?
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what we did in Libya, arm the rebels and offer air support. Its your continued skepticism that allows events like Rwanda and Darfur to unfold and then we all sit around afterwards and say " oh this is so terrible, never again"
 
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Obama would be wise to let this one go.
The opposition in Syria is aligned with Al Quaeda, So it would be as though we were aligning the USA with the filth that murdered near 3000 souls on 9/11.
 
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For all of you convinced the Arab Spring is "spontaneous".

"What then is the new anatomy of the great game? In the past, color revolutions were largely blueprinted in the offices of the political consultancies of "K" Street in Washington. But in the new format, the "technicians" attempting to shape the region [2] , hail directly from the US government: according to reports by senior official sources in the region, Jeffrey Feltman, a former ambassador in Lebanon, and presently assistant secretary of state, as chief coordinator [3], together with two former US ambassadors, Ron Schlicher and David Hale, who is also the new US Middle East Peace Envoy. "

Asia Times Online :: The 'great game' in Syria

Asia Times Online :: The shadow war in Syria
 
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Higgins86 said:
what we did in Libya, arm the rebels and offer air support. Its your continued skepticism that allows events like Rwanda and Darfur to unfold and then we all sit around afterwards and say " oh this is so terrible, never again"
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Air support will not accomplish much of anything at this phase. There is no unified opposition, only scattered pockets of armed resistance. Syria is also far more mountainous than Libya, making air support even more problematic. Perhaps when a more unified opposition takes on the government, air support will be a viable option, but as of now, it is not.
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
Air support will not accomplish much of anything at this phase. There is no unified opposition, only scattered pockets of armed resistance. Syria is also far more mountainous than Libya, making air support even more problematic. Perhaps when a more unified opposition takes on the government, air support will be a viable option, but as of now, it is not.
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"On Thursday, Russia’s vice-minister of defense, Anatoly Antonov, was quoted as saying on Russian television that Russian military personnel are deployed in various sites around Syria. (See here as well.) This is the first high-level confirmation of such an extensive Russian presence, and it is obviously not a random comment. The Russians are anxious to have it understood that if a Western-Arab coalition fires on Syria, it will hit Russians. In Antonov’s words, Russia “cannot remain indifferent.”

Syria, Russia: It all looks different from out there « The Greenroom


Interesting article. Believe Russia has political/financial/regional interests in supporting the current Syrian regime. They seem to be taking the position that Assad is simply a leader putting down a violent rebellion. Makes for an awkward situation with regard to the U.S. getting actively involved.

Suspect this is an event (although tragic) that we (Americans) should and likely will stay out of....




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How the World Could—and Maybe Should—Intervene in Syria - Anne-Marie Slaughter - International - The Atlantic


The second scenario is even worse. A full-fledged civil war in Syria could quickly become a proxy war between Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and/or at least some NATO countries on one side against Iran, Russia, Hizbollah, and possibly Iraq and Hamas on the other. That is a deeply dangerous and destabilizing prospect.



Fourth, the intervention would have to receive the authorization of a majority of the members of the UN Security Council -- Russia, actively arming Assad, will probably never go along, no matter how necessary -- as an exercise of the responsibility to protect doctrine, with clear limits to how and against whom force could be used built into the resolution. Finally, Turkish and Arab troops would have to take the lead in creating zones to protect civilians, backed by NATO logistics and intelligence support if necessary.
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
Air support will not accomplish much of anything at this phase. There is no unified opposition, only scattered pockets of armed resistance. Syria is also far more mountainous than Libya, making air support even more problematic. Perhaps when a more unified opposition takes on the government, air support will be a viable option, but as of now, it is not.
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"Air power never won a war"
 
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ecofarm said:
Assad forces mull use of chemical weapons in Homs, opposition says - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News


If he gasses his people, then we do something, right?
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Chemical weapons are rarely used, for their horrifying political repercussions. Using chemical weapons almost ensures a full-out war with NATO.
Also, I doubt whether the Syrian Army is sufficiently equipped enough for chemical warfare
 
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Cole said:
"On Thursday, Russia’s vice-minister of defense, Anatoly Antonov, was quoted as saying on Russian television that Russian military personnel are deployed in various sites around Syria. (See here as well.) This is the first high-level confirmation of such an extensive Russian presence, and it is obviously not a random comment. The Russians are anxious to have it understood that if a Western-Arab coalition fires on Syria, it will hit Russians. In Antonov’s words, Russia “cannot remain indifferent.”

Syria, Russia: It all looks different from out there « The Greenroom


Interesting article. Believe Russia has political/financial/regional interests in supporting the current Syrian regime. They seem to be taking the position that Assad is simply a leader putting down a violent rebellion. Makes for an awkward situation with regard to the U.S. getting actively involved.

Suspect this is an event (although tragic) that we (Americans) should and likely will stay out of....




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yes we turks will involve instead of you ,i think you like this idea..:mrgreen:
 
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spud_meister said:
Maybe Obama listened to all the conservatives criticising his actions, and decided not to do it again.
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Maybe we don't want Obama to get our troops killed.
 
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johnny_rebson said:
Maybe we don't want Obama to get our troops killed.
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so did you want other presidents to get your troops killed ?
 
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