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US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to Egyptians: Look to the Constitutions

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Peter Grimm said:
Ginsburg is an ACLU nutcase who should be thrown off the court. This is exactly the kind of crazy comment that makes the far left seem so nutty.

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Didn't Reagan appoint her?
 
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SheWolf said:
Didn't Reagan appoint her?
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Bill Clinton appointed her.
 
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SheWolf said:
Didn't Reagan appoint her?
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Clinton appointed her.

She had worked her entire career for the ACLU, serving as its general counsel in the 1970's. She was a law professor at that liberal haven called Columbia.

She may very well be the biggest left wing nutcase in this country, and that's not an exaggeration. She ought to be tossed off the bench.

As for her comment, it's unfathomable how someone whose role is to interpret and uphold the Constitution of the United States can come out and say that another nation's constitution is somehow better. Nice to know how highly she regards the piece of law she's sworn to uphold.

I can't say I'm at all surprised, though. Just another leopard showing her spots.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Clinton appointed her.

She had worked her entire career for the ACLU, serving as its general counsel in the 1970's. She was a law professor at that liberal haven called Columbia.

She may very well be the biggest left wing nutcase in this country, and that's not an exaggeration. She ought to be tossed off the bench.

As for her comment, it's unfathomable how someone whose role is to interpret and uphold the Constitution of the United States can come out and say that another nation's constitution is somehow better. Nice to know how highly she regards the piece of law she's sworn to uphold.

I can't say I'm at all surprised, though. Just another leopard showing her spots.
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That's not what she said. Nice to know your reading comprehension skills are the same as ever.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
[...] She [Ginsburg] ought to be tossed off the bench. [...]
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Should there be a trial first? Or just tar, feathers, and torches?



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Karl said:
Should there be a trial first? Or just tar, feathers, and torches?



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Cut it out.

Supreme Court justices can be removed. There is a process for this. She is not doing the job she is sworn to do.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Cut it out.

Supreme Court justices can be removed. There is a process for this. She is not doing the job she is sworn to do.
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Where exactly is she "not doing her job?" Please, by all means show us.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
That's not what she said. Nice to know your reading comprehension skills are the same as ever.
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I listened to the actual interview, and that is the essence of what she said. Nice try.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Where exactly is she "not doing her job?" Please, by all means show us.
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The Court and Constitutional Interpretation

Here you go. To sum it up for you, her job is to interpret and uphold the constitution.

In her confirmation hearings, she did not answer questions involving matters such as abortion, gay rights, separation of church and state, and disability rights. Only one witness testified against Ginsburg at her confirmation hearings, and the hearings lasted only four days.

Upon being appointed to the Supreme Court, she has consistently legislated from the bench.

She ruled against having competent firefighters in Ricci v. DeStefano, with the rest of the court going against her.

She ruled for the abhorrent partial birth abortion practice in Gonzales v. Carhart, once again she was overruled by her fellow justices

Just to name a couple.

Let's not forget Bush vs Gore... where she tried to overturn the very will of the American people and unilaterally nominate Al Gore to be president. Luckily, she was overruled in that case as well.

In sum, she is a partisan left-wing nut.
 
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Wiseone said:
I think the US Constitution was written for its time and place, and certain parts of it are certainly feeling its age but we keep it up to date. However the Egyptians aren't the Americans, nor is their government or country structured on the same line as ours, for example the concept of a "United States" is completely foreign to Egyptian government, its just not how their country is organized. So everything having to do with state's rights and federal government powers would be meaningless to an Egyptian.

I would disagree with your preamble.



They should look to whatever Constitutions are best for their specific situation, and no American should have such a weak ego as to be insulted they aren't using ours or that one of the most knowledgeable and experienced people in Constitutional law thinks ours isn't best for this situation.
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However your final paragraph is, to me, logical.
 
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TurtleDude said:
there is a kernel of truth in your claim
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Well said oh wise and intelligent Turtle.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
[...] Supreme Court justices can be removed. There is a process for this. [...]
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Just checking... your previous comment seem to be a summary judgement.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
The Court and Constitutional Interpretation

Here you go. To sum it up for you, her job is to interpret and uphold the constitution.

In her confirmation hearings, she did not answer questions involving matters such as abortion, gay rights, separation of church and state, and disability rights. Only one witness testified against Ginsburg at her confirmation hearings, and the hearings lasted only four days.

Upon being appointed to the Supreme Court, she has consistently legislated from the bench.

She ruled against having competent firefighters in Ricci v. DeStefano, with the rest of the court going against her.

She ruled for the abhorrent partial birth abortion practice in Gonzales v. Carhart, once again she was overruled by her fellow justices

Just to name a couple.

Let's not forget Bush vs Gore... where she tried to overturn the very will of the American people and unilaterally nominate Al Gore to be president. Luckily, she was overruled in that case as well.

In sum, she is a partisan left-wing nut.
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I am not now nor ever have been a so called 'Left wing Nut Job'.
But I most strongly advise that it is in the best interests of the USA Supreme Court to have a reasonable balance of opinions.
Too many Left wing Nut Jobs leads to rubber stamping of Government edicts thus Communism.
Too many Right Wing Nut jobs leads to rubber stamping of Government Edicts thus National Socialism.
Best to have Supreme Court that can accommodate both viewpoints, at least that way the USA stands a 1 in 9 chance of having one sane sensible opinion.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
[...] She [Ginsburg] ruled against having competent firefighters in Ricci v. DeStefano, with the rest of the court going against her.
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That was a 5-4 decision. Stevens, Souter, and Breyer ruled with her. Should they be removed from the court also?

Peter Grimm said:
She ruled for the abhorrent partial birth abortion practice in Gonzales v. Carhart, once again she was overruled by her fellow justices
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Once again you are dangerously incorrect. That also was a 5-4 decision, with the same parties ruling in dissent (Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter, and Breyer). Are you sure that you don't want all four removed from the court?

Peter Grimm said:
[...] Let's not forget Bush vs Gore... where she tried to overturn the very will of the American people and unilaterally nominate Al Gore to be president. Luckily, she was overruled in that case as well.
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Wow! You've won the propaganda trifecta! (another 5-4 decision, with the same dissenters, and a bald faced lie about the facts of the case).

Peter Grimm said:
In sum, she is a partisan left-wing nut.
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In sum, I believe you've set some kind of record for the most, and most obvious, falsehoods in one post!
 
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Pointy said:
I am not now nor ever have been a so called 'Left wing Nut Job'.
But I most strongly advise that it is in the best interests of the USA Supreme Court to have a reasonable balance of opinions.
Too many Left wing Nut Jobs leads to rubber stamping of Government edicts thus Communism.
Too many Right Wing Nut jobs leads to rubber stamping of Government Edicts thus National Socialism.
Best to have Supreme Court that can accommodate both viewpoints, at least that way the USA stands a 1 in 9 chance of having one sane sensible opinion.
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How on earth do you equate conservatism to the NAZI party??
 
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Karl said:
That was a 5-4 decision. Stevens, Souter, and Breyer ruled with her. Should they be removed from the court also?


Once again you are dangerously incorrect. That also was a 5-4 decision, with the same parties ruling in dissent (Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter, and Breyer). Are you sure that you don't want all four removed from the court?


Wow! You've won the propaganda trifecta! (another 5-4 decision, with the same dissenters, and a bald faced lie about the facts of the case).


In sum, I believe you've set some kind of record for the most, and most obvious, falsehoods in one post!
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To answer your question bluntly, yes, all activist judges should be removed.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Glad we're on the same page then :)
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Oh, that's just temporary, I assure you. Very temporary ;)
 
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Peter Grimm said:
The Court and Constitutional Interpretation

Here you go. To sum it up for you, her job is to interpret and uphold the constitution.

In her confirmation hearings, she did not answer questions involving matters such as abortion, gay rights, separation of church and state, and disability rights. Only one witness testified against Ginsburg at her confirmation hearings, and the hearings lasted only four days.

Upon being appointed to the Supreme Court, she has consistently legislated from the bench.

She ruled against having competent firefighters in Ricci v. DeStefano, with the rest of the court going against her.

She ruled for the abhorrent partial birth abortion practice in Gonzales v. Carhart, once again she was overruled by her fellow justices

Just to name a couple.

Let's not forget Bush vs Gore... where she tried to overturn the very will of the American people and unilaterally nominate Al Gore to be president. Luckily, she was overruled in that case as well.

In sum, she is a partisan left-wing nut.
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And I don't see how her stating that the U.S. Constitution may be a poor form of government inherently invalidates her from being a Supreme Court Justice.

Because if that's the case then the fact that conservatives are against government powers and services should invalidate Republicans from being elected to political offices.
 
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samsmart said:
And I don't see how her stating that the U.S. Constitution may be a poor form of government inherently invalidates her from being a Supreme Court Justice.

Because if that's the case then the fact that conservatives are against government powers and services should invalidate Republicans from being elected to political offices.
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Maybe not that fact in itself, but the body of her work is certainly disturbing.

Think about what that comment says about her. It says that the very law she is supposedly dedicating her life to uphold and interpret for us... she doesn't believe is exceptional.

By its very nature, her statement suggests that she would like to see changes to our constitution.

Are you surprised that there is an uproar over this? A Supreme Court justice should not want to change the constitution. This is not their job. Their job is to read it, uphold it, and interpret it.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
[...] Are you surprised that there is an uproar over this? [...]
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Given the ignorance and intellectual dishonesty of the talk media right? I'd be surprised if there wasn't :lamo

I mean, come on, you can walk by any right wing media host and just whisper the word Obama, Ginsburg, Holder, Wright, Ayers, Van Jones, and watch them immediately begin twitching... mention the word a few more times and they'll break into a full-blown spasmodic fit. I'm not trying to bait here; it's a commonly observed occurrence. Beck and his communist buildings, Hannity and Wright hating on America, Issa on painting Holder as some kind of traitor, Limbaugh and DeMint and Lord knows how many others incessantly hoping for Obama to fail... the psychotic behavior is simply predictable.

Ergo, the uproar is -- predictable. A crafty person could even instigate it at will, I'd imagine -- scientifically proving that when it comes to anyone or anything that does not automatically and immediately patriotically prostrate itself at the mere mention of America, a Pavlovian reaction is instilled in the more rabid segment of the right in which they salivate, and then attack.

Grrr... woof woof! :mrgreen:
 
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Karl said:
Given the ignorance and intellectual dishonesty of the talk media right? I'd be surprised if there wasn't :lamo

I mean, come on, you can walk by any right wing media host and just whisper the word Obama, Ginsburg, Holder, Wright, Ayers, Van Jones, and watch them immediately begin twitching... mention the word a few more times and they'll break into a full-blown spasmodic fit. I'm not trying to bait here; it's a commonly observed occurrence. Beck and his communist buildings, Hannity and Wright hating on America, Issa on painting Holder as some kind of traitor, Limbaugh and DeMint and Lord knows how many others incessantly hoping for Obama to fail... the psychotic behavior is simply predictable.

Ergo, the uproar is -- predictable. A crafty person could even instigate it at will, I'd imagine -- scientifically proving that when it comes to anyone or anything that does not automatically and immediately patriotically prostrate itself at the mere mention of America, a Pavlovian reaction is instilled in the more rabid segment of the right in which they salivate, and then attack.

Grrr... woof woof! :mrgreen:
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How about that Rachel Maddow, though? She's a fine lad.

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Seriously, though, it's interesting how the left views the right. You can see that we're worked up, you see the attacks on left-wing figures, but maybe you don't really see why or how we arrive at our philosophies.

I wish there were a left-wing talk show element. It would be interesting to hear, and to call in and slam the host for being wrong about everything. :)
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Maybe not that fact in itself, but the body of her work is certainly disturbing.

Think about what that comment says about her. It says that the very law she is supposedly dedicating her life to uphold and interpret for us... she doesn't believe is exceptional.

By its very nature, her statement suggests that she would like to see changes to our constitution.

Are you surprised that there is an uproar over this? A Supreme Court justice should not want to change the constitution. This is not their job. Their job is to read it, uphold it, and interpret it.
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Just because a Justice believes the Constitution to be inadequate does not mean that they are incapable of reading it, upholding it, and interpreting it as it is written.

I mean look at it from the angle of these countries currently trying to form a constitution. As a Justice, Ginsburg is an expert on constitutionalism. But because she's a Justice doesn't mean she should automatically be forced to be a cheerleader for the U.S. Constitution, especially when it comes to giving other nations advice on how to write their own constitution.

Doing that - giving advice that you, in your expert opinion, believe to be wrong to a group of people attempting to lay the foundation for their system of governance - is morally reprehensible.

And there are TONS of weaknesses in the U.S. Constitution. For example, as many Republicans like to point out, it doesn't give specific powers to the government for things such as social programs. But there are many countries who LIKE social programs. So their constitution may want to include provisions for those things.

Another weakness of the U.S. Constitution was that it totally disregarded the Native Americans. When Canada wrote its current constitution it wrote specific provisions regarding people of the First Nations.

There are also civil libertarians who are concerned with how our executive branch operates. Under our system, the Cabinet Secretaries are nominated by the President and approved by the Senate. Which means that none of them are elected. And because Cabinet Secretaries are in the presidential line of succession it is entirely possible that people who were put into positions of power with no approval by the people may become President during a crisis or emergency.

And, as I said earlier, a Bill of Rights wasn't even originally included in the U.S. Constitution - it had to be amended to include them. And many more rights have been acknowledged by many countries which aren't even included in the Constitution, such as a right to health care or education or food.

So I still don't see the problem in a Justice acknowledging these things to nascent countries seeking to form their own constitution for their own governance by and for their own people.
 
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samsmart said:
Just because a Justice believes the Constitution to be inadequate does not mean that they are incapable of reading it, upholding it, and interpreting it as it is written.

I mean look at it from the angle of these countries currently trying to form a constitution. As a Justice, Ginsburg is an expert on constitutionalism. But because she's a Justice doesn't mean she should automatically be forced to be a cheerleader for the U.S. Constitution, especially when it comes to giving other nations advice on how to write their own constitution.

Doing that - giving advice that you, in your expert opinion, believe to be wrong to a group of people attempting to lay the foundation for their system of governance - is morally reprehensible.

And there are TONS of weaknesses in the U.S. Constitution. For example, as many Republicans like to point out, it doesn't give specific powers to the government for things such as social programs. But there are many countries who LIKE social programs. So their constitution may want to include provisions for those things.

Another weakness of the U.S. Constitution was that it totally disregarded the Native Americans. When Canada wrote its current constitution it wrote specific provisions regarding people of the First Nations.

There are also civil libertarians who are concerned with how our executive branch operates. Under our system, the Cabinet Secretaries are nominated by the President and approved by the Senate. Which means that none of them are elected. And because Cabinet Secretaries are in the presidential line of succession it is entirely possible that people who were put into positions of power with no approval by the people may become President during a crisis or emergency.

And, as I said earlier, a Bill of Rights wasn't even originally included in the U.S. Constitution - it had to be amended to include them. And many more rights have been acknowledged by many countries which aren't even included in the Constitution, such as a right to health care or education or food.

So I still don't see the problem in a Justice acknowledging these things to nascent countries seeking to form their own constitution for their own governance by and for their own people.
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I don't want her to cheerlead, I want her to sincerely support our constitution. It's not her behavior that troubles me as much as her intentions, which her behavior elucidates.

I still question why someone who is not completely sold on our constitution would take a job which demands that they uphold and interpret that constitution... unless they wanted to legislate from the bench.

If you believe there are weaknesses in the constitution, the proper avenue is to amend it.

Perhaps she is better suited for a career in the legislature.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I still question why someone who is not completely sold on our constitution would take a job which demands that they uphold and interpret that constitution... unless they wanted to legislate from the bench.
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Or she wants a different society with different values and different political needs to have a system of governance that's more suited to that society's individualized needs.

I don't see how a Justice saying "The US Constitution isn't for everybody and has particular weaknesses" equates to "I dislike the US Constitution and want to change it into something else despite what the people say and despite the amendment process."
 
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