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Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abortion

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AdamT said:
You know you're actually making a good case FOR abortion.
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Yes…it just turns you on doesn't it the idea of the killing that is.
 
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Redress said:
Actually I say exactly what I mean. It's not my fault you cannot argue against what I say and have to make **** up to argue against.
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Did I see correctly…..YOUR A MODERATOR? LOL
 
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This is why i hate abortion threads...hyperbole, straw men, and complete bull**** from both sides....
 
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hazlnut said:
So, as a LIBERTARIAN, you're okay with Big Government invading the OBGYN exam room and making medical decisions for your wife or daughter??
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no, i'm not....i'm not in favor of "big government" in most capacities... that's why i'm neither a liberal(progressive) or conservative.

i see you are now a "moderate"... when did that happen and why the radical change?
 
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ScarlettOHara said:
Did I see correctly…..YOUR A MODERATOR? LOL
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Red's status as a moderator is immaterial here.
If you have a point to make, make it, but do not bring Red's moderation status in this discussion.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Gotcha, so her point was to actually cause voters that didn't know much about her to actively decide to vote against her in the following election and convince others to do the same.

Well, amazing political strategy that. Happy to hear she's "actually achieved what she set out to do".
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I would be willing to bet she gains two votes for every vote she loses for making such an excellent point in the very public way she did.
 
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Redress said:
You probably should have read what I was responding too. You would not have screwed up so badly. Hint: I was referring to her proposal.
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I'm not the one cheering on millions of deaths. I'd reconsider my position were I you in the "screwed up" department.
 
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Obviously legislators know nothing about the medical profession and should shut their pie holes.

If you are for abortion, fine, stick to your guns and argue that a fetus is just a fetus, and should not count as a human in all laws, including homicide.

If you are against abortion, fine, stick to your guns and support criminal investigations into all still births and miscarriages, because someone needs to be held accountable.
 
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Just another reason why women do not belong in politics, folks. What a waste of time.
 
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MrVicchio said:
I'm not the one cheering on millions of deaths. I'd reconsider my position were I you in the "screwed up" department.
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Niether am I. Are you going to address my arguments or keep making **** up?
 
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Zyphlin said:
Perhaps if someone didn't do something even more ridiculous than what the original bill is...because at least the original bill is being put forth by people honestly supporting it and honestly representing their constituents rather than this piss poor excuse for political discourse that this woman put out...and the bill was posted about I would say something about it. However, much like other instances...when someone does something so ****ing stupid you sometimes have to go after that before you can even get to the thing they were being stupid about. This is the same kind of thing as having to rant about someone calling Obama a socialist when criticizing one of his policies...yeah, the policies bad, but you gotta deal with the idiocy first. Yeah, requiring this kind of thing is stupid...but before I can rant about that we have to deal with this stupid bitch wasting tax payer, including mine as a VA resident, time and money with this idiotic and ridiculous joke of an amendment aimed at forcefully penetrating males.

The woman is stupid as ****. She, or you, wants to the bill she's protesting to be addressed and to be treated like a ****ing adult...then how about she actually address it like a reasonable adult politician rather than making ignorant inaccurate comments and throwing forward juvinile joke amendments to try and make a point.
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You do realize you're having the mirror response to those who object to the application of extreme psychological coercion the original bill represents, right?

It was DESIGNED to cause discomfort. It is INTENDED to COERCE.

Until America stops killing kids people WANTED, and ALREADY love, through our wars and policies, concern over UNBORN kids is hollow at best, hypocritical at worst.

You know, like destroying the civilian drinking water treatment plants in Iraq at the end of the first Gulf War and refusing to allow them to have the equipment/parts to repair them. IIRC, one of the legit health orgs estimate that 200,000+ children died there of water-borne illnesses as a result.

And don't get me started on "collateral damage".
 
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Redress said:
Niether am I. Are you going to address my arguments or keep making **** up?
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Why? Your arguments are bs cover for your real thinking. You don't "care" about the supposed harassment, you're upset because when women are given ALL the information, ya know, see their child, more choose life then death. And that's just not what you support. It's called cutting through the bull.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Why? Your arguments are bs cover for your real thinking. You don't "care" about the supposed harassment, you're upset because when women are given ALL the information, ya know, see their child, more choose life then death. And that's just not what you support. It's called cutting through the bull.
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So you are not going to address my arguments, and are going to keep attacking what you imagine I think.

Let me ask you a question MrV: if before you could own a gun, there was a law requiring you to go attend a gun death autopsy. Would you support such a law, since all it is is giving people ALL the information?
 
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Redress said:
Let me ask you a question MrV: if before you could own a gun, there was a law requiring you to go attend a gun death autopsy. Would you support such a law, since all it is is giving people ALL the information?
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Apples and Oranges, but I wouldn't have a problem with that. Of course I'm the individual who feels that anyone who couldn't pull the trigger on another human being shouldn't own a gun to begin with.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Why? Your arguments are bs cover for your real thinking. You don't "care" about the supposed harassment, you're upset because when women are given ALL the information, ya know, see their child, more choose life then death. And that's just not what you support. It's called cutting through the bull.
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Bull **** argument.

If they passed a bill offering to pay for the procedure for any body that chooses to have one, I'd be all for it, but mandating that they have to pay for a procedure that they have to go through whether they want to or not is ridiculous.
 
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I give this idea a thumbs up!
 
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A lot of money will be wasted showing sonograms to women with closed eyes.
 
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Tigger said:
Apples and Oranges, but I wouldn't have a problem with that. Of course I'm the individual who feels that anyone who couldn't pull the trigger on another human being shouldn't own a gun to begin with.
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So your anti second ammendment and pro sociopath.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Why? Your arguments are bs cover for your real thinking. You don't "care" about the supposed harassment, you're upset because when women are given ALL the information, ya know, see their child, more choose life then death. And that's just not what you support. It's called cutting through the bull.
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Why are you upset about men who can't get erections being given information? Maybe they can't get it up because they have prostate cancer and the doctor just saved their life by not just mindlessly writing a script for viagra.

But why let that get in the way of name-calling?
 
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Redress said:
So you are not going to address my arguments, and are going to keep attacking what you imagine I think.

Let me ask you a question MrV: if before you could own a gun, there was a law requiring you to go attend a gun death autopsy. Would you support such a law, since all it is is giving people ALL the information?
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When did you stop beating your spouse?
 
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MrVicchio said:
When did you stop beating your spouse?
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I figured you would dodge the question. Get back to me if you ever actually want to debate the issue instead of making **** up and evading.
 
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This is stupid. A doctor is supposed to check a man's blood pressure anyway before prescribing ED medication. ED is not equal with abortion.
 
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Redress said:
I figured you would dodge the question. Get back to me if you ever actually want to debate the issue instead of making **** up and evading.
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I'm not the one evading or making bs up to hide my true motivations. YOU ARE.

WHY do you have a problem with this law?

Tell us. Don't claim it's about unnecessary treatment, that's bull. It's because it reduces abortions, and in fact, turns public opinion away from abortion, something you firmly believe in.

That's the real truth. Abortion is losing it's hold in America, and every inch closer to making it scarce, people like yourself will fight, because that's what your marching orders are. Fight Life. It's pure politics your position. You just don't like that I call it out. Hey, it might even be true you don't realize the crux of the issue and why you believe what you do. Consider yourself educated.
 
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MrVicchio said:
I'm not the one evading or making bs up to hide my true motivations. YOU ARE.

WHY do you have a problem with this law?

Tell us. Don't claim it's about unnecessary treatment, that's bull. It's because it reduces abortions, and in fact, turns public opinion away from abortion, something you firmly believe in.

That's the real truth. Abortion is losing it's hold in America, and every inch closer to making it scarce, people like yourself will fight, because that's what your marching orders are. Fight Life. It's pure politics your position. You just don't like that I call it out. Hey, it might even be true you don't realize the crux of the issue and why you believe what you do. Consider yourself educated.
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No, actually the reason I oppose the law is the same as the reason why I would oppose my hypothetica law about guns. Because it is unneccessary and intended to stop people from excercising a right they have in this country. One of us is perfectly consistant on this, and one of us is not making **** up because they cannot actually argue against the point being made. That "one" is not you.
 
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