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Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music All

Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

I draw a somewhat gray line between getting arrested for civil disobedience and getting arrested for say assault & battery. I do not see civil disobedience as being a "criminal act" even though, per the definition of the word it is. That said, it's still illegal.
The problem with civil disobedience is that it is used as an excuse. Online hacker attacks on sites are a good example. Anonymous has from the start portrayed themselves as a group that acts outside of the law on their own terms. They make it clear that everything in the world must go as they dictate or they will attack you in some form. Definitely criminal, there's no two ways about it. Anonymous's entire strategy is militant it never has been a protest, it is attack based hacking.

Anon regularly attacks commerce and the government in essence Anon is attacking the American people. Anon is not the American people it is a small group of thugs terrorizing society with computers. The corporations that they attack are used by the people. The method of doing these attacks is by taking over innocent peoples computers. They are hackers they most likely are funding their ideological crusade by illegally hacking into others computers and stealing the funds. Or more likely just using your information and writing checks for that new Mac.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

The problem with civil disobedience is that it is used as an excuse. Online hacker attacks on sites are a good example. Anonymous has from the start portrayed themselves as a group that acts outside of the law on their own terms. They make it clear that everything in the world must go as they dictate or they will attack you in some form. Definitely criminal, there's no two ways about it. Anonymous's entire strategy is militant it never has been a protest, it is attack based hacking.

Anon regularly attacks commerce and the government in essence Anon is attacking the American people. Anon is not the American people it is a small group of thugs terrorizing society with computers. The corporations that they attack are used by the people. The method of doing these attacks is by taking over innocent peoples computers. They are hackers they most likely are funding their ideological crusade by illegally hacking into others computers and stealing the funds. Or more likely just using your information and writing checks for that new Mac.

How else are they to get attention and show that there are those who have power (albiet limited) are displeased? Write on a forum board? Not likely.... My point here is this is the only way to gain attention of the media with the non-hacker world, and gain the attention of those who they are trying communicate with, in such a way as they are taken seriously. It's the same as protesting and civil disobedience. Sure, civil disobedience is abused and often used as an excuse, but that does not cheapen it's effectiveness. As long as it's effective, they'll continue to do it.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

Certainly illegal but this hardly qualifies as terrorism.

Typical right-wing, playing the terrorism card. :D
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

Certainly illegal but this hardly qualifies as terrorism. Typical right-wing, playing the terrorism card. :D

I wouldn't call it terrorism, but I would suggest that attackes on any of those sites which are run by the US Government come downright close to meeting my personal definition of treason.
 
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How else are they to get attention and show that there are those who have power (albiet limited) are displeased? Write on a forum board? Not likely.... My point here is this is the only way to gain attention of the media with the non-hacker world, and gain the attention of those who they are trying communicate with, in such a way as they are taken seriously. It's the same as protesting and civil disobedience. Sure, civil disobedience is abused and often used as an excuse, but that does not cheapen it's effectiveness. As long as it's effective, they'll continue to do it.

Well if you approve how about if the KKK starts hacking to get their message out? Maybe they could take down all sites that do not represent the KKK's beliefs? Or maybe the Republicans and the Democrats should start hacking each other? Maybe we should all learn to hack so we could all get our messages out. Lets all shut down the internet that will show them.
 
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Well if you approve how about if the KKK starts hacking to get their message out? Maybe they could take down all sites that do not represent the KKK's beliefs? Or maybe the Republicans and the Democrats should start hacking each other? Maybe we should all learn to hack so we could all get our messages out. Lets all shut down the internet that will show them.

Exaggerate much?
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

It should be abundantly obvious that internet censorship will bring cyber warfare. If that's what the U.S. gov wants then they should proceed.

I ****ing hate this government right now.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

It can be both. I would describe it as criminal activity done as civil disobedience, with the emphasis being on the criminal activity part.

This. Most civil disobedience IS criminal activity of some sort or another. This is just taking it on the internet.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

Well if you approve how about if the KKK starts hacking to get their message out? Maybe they could take down all sites that do not represent the KKK's beliefs? Or maybe the Republicans and the Democrats should start hacking each other? Maybe we should all learn to hack so we could all get our messages out. Lets all shut down the internet that will show them.

I can't stop the KKK just like I can't stop these guys - using some BS like the KKK is ad hominem nonsense. Either you can address the issue or you cannot and it seems you cannot. Fact remains such acts can be acts of civil disobedience whether it's Satan, Hitler, the KKK or anyone else doing it.

I love when people like yourself bring up stupid groups like the KKK... as if that gives a non existent position more credibility. :lamo
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

The DOJ goes after megaupload, but not the MPAA or RIAA for violating antitrust legislation.
Seems the DOJ likes to selectively enforce the law. :shrug:
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

I can't stop the KKK just like I can't stop these guys - using some BS like the KKK is ad hominem nonsense. Either you can address the issue or you cannot and it seems you cannot. Fact remains such acts can be acts of civil disobedience whether it's Satan, Hitler, the KKK or anyone else doing it.

I love when people like yourself bring up stupid groups like the KKK... as if that gives a non existent position more credibility. :lamo
People like myself?

Lol it didnt really matter who I used as an example in my sarcasm. I only used the KKK because it was highly likely that I would not piss off some KKK follower and if I did I wouldnt have lost any sleep over it. Satan, Hitler, the KKK? What about those damn Commie's? Or Anarchists like what Anon claim to be. Im not sure why you left them out and included Satan. Its like one of those questions in school; point out what does not belong in this group. Satan a mythical figure and real person that lived and a group that is still in existence. Hmm.

I was trying to say that Anon was doing something more than civil disobedience. But after researching civil disobedience further I discovered that Anon and the Occupy movement are involved Revolutionary civil disobedience. Both intend to overthrow the government that they assert is corrupt beyond repair. Well except the useful idiots that dont know they are being used to overthrow the country.

So yea Anon is breaking the law to pave way for revolution. You are a little fast on the personal attacks aren't you?
No idea. Truth is I never heard of Anonymous until this story came out yesterday on Drudge.
Where exactly have you been if you never heard of Anon by now? Maybe you are misinformed and just believe it is some hackers looking out for the good of all Americans? Yesterday seriously?

Maybe you should read this. https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...rvival-guide-for-citizens-in-a-revolution.pdf

AnonOps Communications: LIVE #GlobalRevolution
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

Dont understand sarcasm much?

Sarcasm is all well and good...except that its awefully hard to convey on an internet board. My suggestion...give some sort of sign that it was meant sarcastically.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

The government attacked people unjustly and deserve what they get for it.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

Sarcasm is all well and good...except that its awefully hard to convey on an internet board. My suggestion...give some sort of sign that it was meant sarcastically.
I thought it was obvious but apparently it was not. My bad.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

The government attacked people unjustly and deserve what they get for it.
What people where? And what did they get and who did it? And what government the US?
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

The government attacked people unjustly and deserve what they get for it.

Somebody needs to stand up for owners of intellectual property. As a songwriter who has intellectual property, I don't want anybody and everybody to be able to steal it. (Now if I could just get people interested enough to want to steal my music...). Protecting property rights is the single most important thing the government can do.

The problem with SOPA is that it's too broad and too vague. Unintended consequences and what not.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

The problem with what the government did to Megaupload is that they went after people that were providing a service for something that IS legal to do. That of file sharing. While it is illegal to share copyrighted material it is not illegal to share personal files. It was the people that were using that service that shared copyrighted material. As such they were the ones that broke the law. And as such the government should have tried to work with megaupload and gone after those people instead of some people that were providing a legal service to others.

There is no way to tell if X zipfile is copyrighted or not unless a person downloads it and opens it. No company is able to do this.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

Somebody needs to stand up for owners of intellectual property. As a songwriter who has intellectual property, I don't want anybody and everybody to be able to steal it. (Now if I could just get people interested enough to want to steal my music...). Protecting property rights is the single most important thing the government can do.

Not really. Ideas are not property, no matter how many people say they are. I am also not completely convinced that ideas need to protected to have a growing an prosperous market. I think in fact, the only way to maximum the benefit of copyright law and perhaps not feel the negative side effects is if they are very limited in nature. Saying that however, I don't have a problem with music and general arts being protected forever as they really is no marketable reason to not.

Saying all of this, I have a serious problem with copyright law as it is used. It should be to maintain the market so people can't profit from your ideas when the copyright law is around, not to punish people for using your products without permission.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

I draw a somewhat gray line between getting arrested for civil disobedience and getting arrested for say assault & battery. I do not see civil disobedience as being a "criminal act" even though, per the definition of the word it is. That said, it's still illegal.

One of the few times we have agreed.

Edit: Possibly the only time.
 
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Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

It's terrorism. End of story.

It's illegal activity, but terrorism? Was anybody killed? No? Then it's not terrorism, but we now need a new word to describe it. How about PainInTheAssIsm?
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

. While it is illegal to share copyrighted material...

Not exactly.

It is illegal to share copyrighted material WITHOUT PERMISSION from the copyright holder. Lots of content out there that is legally free is copyrighted, or using licensing schemes that need copyright to really exist/have teeth, that and anything that can be copyrighted in the U.S automatically is according to current law.

If I make a work, copyright it, share it freely, and tell others to do so, /we are sharing copyrighted materials, but broke no laws since I gave the OK to do so.



How the quoted misconception got to be so popular is kinda scary.
 
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Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

Is this civil disobedience or illegal activity?

Civil disobedience is often illegal activity.
 
Re: Anonymous Goes on Megaupload Revenge Spree: DoJ, RIAA, MPAA, and Universal Music

It's terrorism. End of story.

I think that could better be said about the government actions taken prior.
 
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