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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

apdst said:
Sure!

Watada: failure to deploy, dereliction of duty and disobeying a lawful order
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Those were offenses he was charged with, not necessarily charges that he was guilty of.

Watada's argument was that under the doctrine of command responsibility, he had both the moral duty and obligation to disobey what he viewed as an illegal order. Since there no objective evaluation as to whether or not the Iraq War was legal or illegal under international law, Watada's actual guilt or innocence of those charges is an entirely subjective judgment.

Choi: Violating DADT, conduct unbecoming an officer and violation of Army uniform regulations.
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Those aren't really "crimes" per se, but wasn't he appropriately punished for all of those?

*For the record, I think that Watad should go to prison for the rest of his life and Choi shouldn't face anything more than NJP, but the question has been tabled to the Libbos that think these Marines need to burn. Let's see how many hypocrites we have on this thread.
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I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but the important thing they should know is just how stupid they were to allow themselves to be videotaped and have it end up on the Internet.

I dunno what the appropriate punishment is,
 
StillBallin75 said:
Those were offenses he was charged with, not necessarily charges that he was guilty of.

Watada's argument was that under the doctrine of command responsibility, he had both the moral duty and obligation to disobey what he viewed as an illegal order. Since there no objective evaluation as to whether or not the Iraq War was legal or illegal under international law, Watada's actual guilt or innocence of those charges is an entirely subjective judgment.



Those aren't really "crimes" per se, but wasn't he appropriately punished for all of those?



I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but the important thing they should know is just how stupid they were to allow themselves to be videotaped and have it end up on the Internet.

I dunno what the appropriate punishment is,
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Hypocrisy reigns supreme. I love it!

Watada wasn't guilty? :rofl Nice!!!
 
apdst said:
Hypocrisy reigns supreme. I love it!
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Mind showing me where I was actually being a hypocrite?

Watada wasn't guilty? :rofl Nice!!!
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Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension? Where did I say that?

He certainly wasn't found guilty. Whether or not he is ACTUALLY guilty is a subjective judgment. That's what I said. If you wanna put words in my mouth at least have the balls to admit that you're being dishonest.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Mind showing me where I was actually being a hypocrite?



Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension? Where did I say that?

He certainly wasn't found guilty. Whether or not he is ACTUALLY guilty is a subjective judgment. That's what I said.
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You want these Marines punished with a courts martial, yet want to deny any guilt on the part of Choi and Watada.

Watada was issued an order to deploy to an opeartional theater and he refused to deploy. That's illegal.
 
apdst said:
So, you want these Marines to face a harsher punishment for breaking the same rules? Really?
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Dishonorable discharge isn't harsher than a court marshal that can carry time in a military prison.
 
apdst said:
You want these Marines punished with a courts martial, yet want to deny any guilt on the part of Choi and Watada.
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Yeah...point out where exactly I said that.

Watada was issued an order to deploy to an opeartional theater and he refused to deploy. That's illegal.
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Not if the order itself was illegal - which, once again, is a matter of debate.
 
kenvin said:
Dishonorable discharge isn't harsher than a court marshal that can carry time in a military prison.
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Watada and Choi were dishonoably discharged? Spent time in prison?

The question isn't what penalty they actually faced. The question is, what penalty should they actually face.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yeah...point out where exactly I said that.
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Refresh my memory: what should happen to these Marines?



Not if the order itself was illegal - which, once again, is a matter of debate.
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I guess that means that you support the officers who refused to deploy, because they believed that Obama was the ligitimate president, because he wasn't a natural born citizen.
 
apdst said:
Watada and Choi were dishonoably discharged? Spent time in prison?

The question isn't what penalty they actually faced. The question is, what penalty should they actually face.
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Watada court marshal Choi NJP and guys who pissed on corpses dishonorable discharge.
 
kenvin said:
Watada court marshal Choi NJP and guys who pissed on corpses dishonorable discharge.
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Ok! So, you want these Marines to suffer a harsher punishment, for committing the same offense, at the most?

In the case of Watada, these committed a much lesser offense.
 
apdst said:
Refresh my memory: what should happen to these Marines?
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I said I don't really know. I don't support them being discharged. I do however think someone should explain to them how stupid their actions were.

I guess that means that you support the officers who refused to deploy, because they believed that Obama was the ligitimate president, because he wasn't a natural born citizen.
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Well, I certainly respect their right to want to make that argument if that's what they believe. Whether or not they can actually provide evidence and rationale for their belief is another matter. This might be a leetle stretch, but I'm gonna go with they probably can't come up with a sound argument.

Since birthers and most other conspiracy theorists are stupid by definition, my problem with those guys isn't so much that they did something wrong or criminal, but that they're just being idiots.
 
apdst said:
Ok! So, you want these Marines to suffer a harsher punishment, for committing the same offense, at the most?

In the case of Watada, these committed a much lesser offense.
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They committed a lesser offence that Watada, but a worse offence than Choi.
 
kenvin said:
They committed a lesser offence that Watada, but a worse offence than Choi.
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What are you basing your opinion on? Please show us the regs they violated, that are worse than those violated by Watada and Choi. Thanks in advance.

FYI: Both Watada and Choi are guilty of conduct unbecoming an officer, which is punishable by a dishonorable discharge.

Let the hypocrisy spill out all over the place!
 
apdst said:
What are you basing your opinion on? Please show us the regs they violated, that are worse than those violated by Watada and Choi. Thanks in advance.

FYI: Both Watada and Choi are guilty of conduct unbecoming an officer, which is punishable by a dishonorable discharge.

Let the hypocrisy spill out all over the place!
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Enough with the melodrama. Watada certainly is the worst and deserves what he gets for refusing to be deployed, and for trying to make a political stunt.

Choi please he admitted he was gay, and worked to point out DADT was a stupid regulation. He didn't make it a ridiculous spectacle and showed honor. When he tesified one could tell he really wanted to make the military better for everyone.

The Marines who desecrated a corpse did not show honor. Not only did they committ an act that would be criminal in the civilian world. They dishonored themselves, their service and their country. They went even further and put the whole thing on video so the world could share the same they brought on themselves their service and their country. They inflamed hatred. So for being dishonorable they deserve dishonorable discharge.
 
kenvin said:
Enough with the melodrama. Watada certainly is the worst and deserves what he gets for refusing to be deployed.

Choi please he admitted he was gay, and worked to point out DADT was a stupid regulation. He didn't make it a ridiculous spectacle and showed honor. When he tesified one could tell he really wanted to make the military better for everyone.

The Marines who desecrated a corpse did not show honor. Not only did they committ an act that would be criminal in the civilian world. They dishonored themselves, their service and their country. They went even further and put the whole thing on video so the world could share the same they brought on themselves their service and their country. They inflamed hatred. So for being dishonorable they deserve dishonorable discharge.
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Choi broke the rules, not only did he violate DADT, he was arrested while in uniform--a major violation.

Basically, you're telling us that you're all about enforcement of the rules that you agree with and to hell with the ones that you don't like.

Hey! I get it, brother!!! You did a damn fine job making my point for me.
 
apdst said:
Choi broke the rules, not only did he violate DADT, he was arrested while in uniform--a major violation.

Basically, you're telling us that you're all about enforcement of the rules that you agree with and to hell with the ones that you don't like.

Hey! I get it, brother!!! You did a damn fine job making my point for me.
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Those guys deserve dishonorable discharge for being dishonorable. That is why they have that as a punishment. Why you want to cry about it and be a drama queen I don't know.
 
If they want to urinate let them... for heavens sake .... so what .... its not like they are cutting their throats ... omg, nature calls ! .....let the Marines alone!!!!
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah those silly little hand wringers like the Marine Corp that has spoken up against this. Is the Marine Corp now lefties?
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No. But they are tip toeing around for fearing to anger the political correctness machine of the left that will politically smash the Corp if they don't dance the dance.
 
kenvin said:
Those guys deserve dishonorable discharge for being dishonorable. That is why they have that as a punishment. Why you want to cry about it and be a drama queen I don't know.
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What is dishonorable about peeing on your dead enemies that you just killed? That is just your opinion, that's all.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What is dishonorable about peeing on your dead enemies that you just killed? That is just your opinion, that's all.
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Desecration of a corpse is a crime. They embarrassed themselves and the Marines. They should get dishonorable discharge for having no honor. They should be happy they aren't facing a court martial or facing local prosecution for their crimes.

If you don't think peeing in a corpse is a crime just go down to a funeral home pee in one and see what happens.
 
Kane said:
Pakistan woman blogger laments drone killings being swept under the rug, as their U.S. puppet leadership there gets caught lying that it was Pakistani jets killing civillians when they were in fact US drones, secret deals between Washington and the puppets/Presidents, killed Benazir Bhutto, the first bombing of Mumbai in India to draw that country into the war on terror and on the the side of the U.S. in order drive a wedge beween the nations and 250,00 innocent Pashtuns running away from the Swat valley where TAPI IS GOING but must be relocated to make room for the pipeline, all the while the stupid 2 year GOP debates mthe 1992 Newt is a villian Dem scares for the herd to listen to distraction, to censor news with 9 dittohead warmonger candidates who all say the same thing, and (see Howard Dean silenced by ten Democrat dittoheads in 2004 and sidelined by “kill the terrorist” CFR man John Kerry)the scream and”Dean was not Presidential” repeated a thousand times, fix the primaries etc. Scapegoat Iran when NeoCon Iraq disaster fails and scapegoat Pakistan when Afghanistan goes bad, same **** different year. Recycle nuke threat from Bush in Iraq to Obama and Iran. Fears of China is the evil with the Hollywood photos staged Dali Lama/ Richard Gere free tibet psyop, and darfur proxy wars w/George Clooney (send your money) sponsored by USAid/Africom to plunder oil, kill somalians for oil, and Angelina photos w/ victorious Libyan murderers on Yahoo.com. (on and on) Yeah, Peace and Justice!
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apdst said:
You want these Marines punished with a courts martial, yet want to deny any guilt on the part of Choi and Watada.

Watada was issued an order to deploy to an opeartional theater and he refused to deploy. That's illegal.
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StillBallin75 said:
Yeah...point out where exactly I said that.

Not if the order itself was illegal - which, once again, is a matter of debate.
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Not to mention that the whole Af-Pak war is illegal.

You've got to wonder why every time there is an anti-war candidate like Ron Paul or Howard Dean that each political party enlists 10 primary candidates to sideline that position in the debate. In case of the lamestream media and Ron Paul, the corp. media moderators just ignore him most of the time and don't let him speak or ask him a question, or just turn away from the war issues. Totally bogus, IMO.
 
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kenvin said:
Desecration of a corpse is a crime. They embarrassed themselves and the Marines. They should get dishonorable discharge for having no honor. They should be happy they aren't facing a court martial or facing local prosecution for their crimes.

If you don't think peeing in a corpse is a crime just go down to a funeral home pee in one and see what happens.
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Straw Man. We are talking about war. In war you shoot and kill people. Do you see me making an argument that it is OK to go to the store and shoot and kill people in downtown LA?

Dishonor is a subjective term anyway, as is Desecration. I see nothing dishonorable about peeing on the dead enemy that you just killed. Nothing dishonorable at all. Do I advocate that everybody do it? Nope. Would I? No idea... probably not. Do I think that it is honorable? No. But that does not make it dishonorable either...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Straw Man. We are talking about war. In war you shoot and kill people. Do you see me making an argument that it is OK to go to the store and shoot and kill people in downtown LA?

Dishonor is a subjective term anyway, as is Desecration. I see nothing dishonorable about peeing on the dead enemy that you just killed. Nothing dishonorable at all. Do I advocate that everybody do it? Nope. Would I? No idea... probably not. Do I think that it is honorable? No. But that does not make it dishonorable either...
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It is dishonorable. It outraged many here and around the world. The fact that you kill them in battle isn't an excuse to act like animals.
Hey we were going to kill her anyway let's rape her first war is hell type of thinking doesn't work.
 
kenvin said:
It is dishonorable. It outraged many here and around the world. The fact that you kill them in battle isn't an excuse to act like animals.
Hey we were going to kill her anyway let's rape her first war is hell type of thinking doesn't work.
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Are you even able to stay on topic? Stop making these ridiculous logical fallacies... now you are introducing Red Herrings.

Can you tell me what animals pee on their kills for me? Thanks..

So what if it outraged people... that does not make it dishonorable. Perhaps the outraged are just a bunch of sissies...
 
1149 posts about Marines pissing on a few Taliban, really?
 
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