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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Catawba said:
I won't be part of the decision making process on their punishment. However, I was asked my opinion. Actions have consequences.
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These soldiers will suffer the consequences for their actions. For all their training, sacrifice and dedication they showed a moment of terrible judgement, it is that poor judgement they will be remembered for. I can hardly beleive they will be able to get good jobs, respect for their service or enjoy the dignity other members of their unit/organization will garner. No discharge, Honorable or otherwise, could ever wipe this stain of dishonor from these soldiers for doing what they did.
 
They did serve to take our minds off the leader of the Haditha Massacre party getting away with it like the rest of his buddies.

" ...Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich, 31, was sentenced instead to a demotion to the rank of private, the lowest rank in the service, a day after he pleaded guilty to a single count of dereliction of duty.
Wuterich, who could have faced a maximum penalty of three months in confinement, showed no emotion as a military judge pronounced his sentence.
More serious charges of involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault had already been dismissed as part of a plea deal, which cut short Wuterich's court-martial and was decried by a victim's relative as "an insult to all Iraqis." ..."

US marine sergeant spared jail for his role in Iraqi Haditha massacre - Telegraph
 
TheNextEra said:
Well since you have no problem with people pissing on dead bodies, the next time one of your family members dies, please let us know where the viewing will be. I'm sure you or your family won't mind pissing on the body. It's just a hunk of dead flesh right?
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Do you understand how the quote system works? If you do you can quote where I said there was no problem about people pissing on dead bodies. If you do not understand then ask one of the moderators.

Now, can you answer the question as to why you want to endear yourself to terrorists?
 
Paratrooper said:
It's no surprise that the military is going to come out and do damage control. While I don't condone what they have done I understand how you can build up strong feelings against a group of terrorist that have set up a ied that killed your battle buddies or sniped them. Once you get them, it is kind of anti-climatic, it doesn't bring back the buddies that have died it just prevents them for killing more of your buddies.

I honestly feel like we should never have had press, and cameras in a war zone in the first place. War is hell and if you don't want to see this type of stuff happen, do a better job on the diplomacy front so we don't have to fight.
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You feel diplomacy works with terrorists? What do you think might be the focus of any diplomatic discussions?
 
Connery said:
These soldiers will suffer the consequences for their actions. For all their training, sacrifice and dedication they showed a moment of terrible judgement, it is that poor judgement they will be remembered for. I can hardly beleive they will be able to get good jobs, respect for their service or enjoy the dignity other members of their unit/organization will garner. No discharge, Honorable or otherwise, could ever wipe this stain of dishonor from these soldiers for doing what they did.
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The only stains are on the dead terrorists.
 
Grant said:
The only stains are on the dead terrorists.
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While I cannot condone what these soldiers did, I do not think there is a hell of a lot of honor in being a terrorist. From your statement you appear to honor these type of people and their method and mode of behavior.

This is a good definition of terrorism: "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims"
 
TheNextEra said:
That has NOTHING to do with backing up your claims at all. Why don't you just admit your comment was partisan hackery and be done with it? Man up
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It is just a generalization. The Right. The Left. These are used to describe the general policies or views of that side. It really isn't that big of a deal and people do it all the time. I am a Republican. I don't support pro-life the way that the party does though. People try to lump my in and I make a simple statement that I don't agree, if anything. Saves yourself a LOT of meaningless debate about who is lying and what not.
 
Connery said:
While I cannot condone what these soldiers did, I do not think there is a hell of a lot of honor in being a terrorist. From your statement you appear to honor these type of people and their method and mode of behavior.

This is a good definition of terrorism: "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims"
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Pee stain. I think that it is a joke.
 
Connery said:
These soldiers will suffer the consequences for their actions. For all their training, sacrifice and dedication they showed a moment of terrible judgement, it is that poor judgement they will be remembered for. I can hardly beleive they will be able to get good jobs, respect for their service or enjoy the dignity other members of their unit/organization will garner. No discharge, Honorable or otherwise, could ever wipe this stain of dishonor from these soldiers for doing what they did.
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I would hire them in a second if I thought that they would be good employees. I understand how to put things in context... like peeing on a dead enemy combatant during a war and just peeing on a random dead person that you find on the street. If people can't start thinking outside of their little constrants and make good analogies based on proper perspective then what is the point of any type of debate?
 
Catawba said:
Were these Marines drafted, or did they join voluntarily?

Afraid I am too old, however I have served my country, as did my Dad, Granddad, and my Son.
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Regardless...4 men short on the wall.These men are taking fire...doing the job...and they made a stupid decision....and your only response is a dishonorable discharge. You 'served' and thats your 'solution'?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I would hire them in a second if I thought that they would be good employees. I understand how to put things in context... like peeing on a dead enemy combatant during a war and just peeing on a random dead person that you find on the street. If people can't start thinking outside of their little constrants and make good analogies based on proper perspective then what is the point of any type of debate?
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Again while I do not condone the action, I have absolutely no problem with these soldiers. I would hired them as well, I am not condemning them, society and the media has done so through this moment. Incidentally I have done some bonehead things in my like and I am sure i will do more silly things. Thankfully I had great people in my life and yes it had to do with urine.....:3oops:
 
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Connery said:
Yes this mode of communication sometimes makes context and emotion a bit difficult to detect.
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I completely agree... I also think that he sounded as if he was giving up on trying to make his point, hence the dry sound to the joke. I could be completely wrong though I hardly ever am.
 
Catawba said:
Were these Marines drafted, or did they join voluntarily?

Afraid I am too old, however I have served my country, as did my Dad, Granddad, and my Son.
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If you did, then you would know your "dishonorable discharge" position is based on your emotion and a lack of empathy for your fellow brothers and sisters in harms way.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
If you did, then you would know your "dishonorable discharge" position is based on your emotion and a lack of empathy for your fellow brothers and sisters in harms way.
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Spare us the pompous twaddle. These lowlifes broke the UCMJ and several sections of the Geneva conventions. They are as scummy as their defenders.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Spare us the pompous twaddle. These lowlifes broke the UCMJ and several sections of the Geneva conventions. They are as scummy as their defenders.
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So what do you think should happen to these soldiers? specifically. These "lowlifes" left thier families behind to fight for thier country in a hellish warzone where our VP states that these taliban savages are "not our enemy" all while they kill our soldiers..... Some would say these "lowlifes" have done more and are willing to do more than some of thier internet detractors. War is hell, if your bothered that much about how they treated those poor poor taliban savages, perhaps you should go join jihad.
 
Connery said:
While I cannot condone what these soldiers did, I do not think there is a hell of a lot of honor in being a terrorist. From your statement you appear to honor these type of people and their method and mode of behavior.

This is a good definition of terrorism: "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims"
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Yes, that's not a bad definition, although "religious aims" could be added to that.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Spare us the pompous twaddle. These lowlifes broke the UCMJ and several sections of the Geneva conventions. They are as scummy as their defenders.
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A further look into their training, morale program and other factors which assist soldiers in these circumstances should be looked at. Obviously the military let these soldiers down and that should considered a mitigating factor when sentencing. If this was one soldier then the failing was on that individual, but this was a group and there iss more to this story than has been told.
 
Connery said:
This is a good definition of terrorism: "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims"
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That's a stupid definition, as it would include every country.


Here's a better definition: "Targetting civilians".
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
So what do you think should happen to these soldiers? specifically. These "lowlifes" left thier families behind to fight for thier country in a hellish warzone where our VP states that these taliban savages are "not our enemy" all while they kill our soldiers..... Some would say these "lowlifes" have done more and are willing to do more than some of thier internet detractors. War is hell, if your bothered that much about how they treated those poor poor taliban savages, perhaps you should go join jihad.
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Leaders in the military are taught how to correct behavior such as this. I'll say straight up that I would rather serve in the field under fire with these marines than the whiny ****s that are peeing themselves over this incident.
 
ecofarm said:
That's a stupid definition, as it would include every country.


Here's a better definition: "Targetting civilians".
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Every country does that too... So much for stupid definitions......:roll::2razz:
 
Not every country targets civilians; that's nonsense.
 
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