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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

In war, lots of terrible things are done by individuals on both sides. On the scale of "bad things that happen in war", this one is pretty trivial really... though it is bad PR, and the soldiers should probably be reprimanded and warned about letting things like this get on camera.
 
I accept you soldiers are saying combat soldiers go psychotic, that may be so. It is also a good reason for less war.

Someone suggested only combat soldiers talk on this as only they would understand. I suggest we take that idea and use it towards our foes and gain the same understanding of their irrational behaviour hence allowing us the opportunity to stop this constant war which I hear from people on this thread 99% of the time makes people psychopaths.

Maybe we should all just form an orderly straight line and quietly wait for the nearest terrorist to come slit our throats. That way THEY get what they want, and we dont offend anyone! I know that i for one, would rather die, than offend the people who have sworn to kill me, and my childrens childrens children.
 
no, they do other things. I've seen them play with the bodies, for example. Guys watching "kill tv" will often have a running bookie on whether or not a guy will make it or become paste.

Or they live in a Locked Up Chain Of Command who doesn't allow them any relaxation on deployment, so they go home, become alcoholics, and beat their wives and children. :shrug:
It's ridiculous how you paint this as an all or nothing situation. Either you piss on dead bodies/play with bodies or you become an alcoholic and beat your wife. I get the feeling most troops are somewhere in between this nonsensical all or nothing situation you've set up. What a joke.
 
Before I forget, I'd just like to add pregnant women who get abortions to this list - a group plenty of men who have never been pregnant have absolutely no qualms about condemning. Do you agree that women who get late-term abortions, or women who use abortion as a method of birth control, are engaging in immoral behavior? If so, what precisely gives you the standing to voice such an opinion, if you've never been a pregnant women? Is that not an analogous situation to this one?
This sums it up. It's interesting how many of the posters claiming that you can't have a valid opinion without experience are some of the main pro-lifers who judge women in that situation or who think all of Obama's decisions are horrible despite not knowing the totality of what a woman goes through or what Obama knows and deals with. I'm almost tempted to respond to every thread now by saying, "You haven't experienced this so your opinion is invalid!" We'd have no more threads on DP. Atheists couldn't talk about Christianity, men couldn't talk about abortion, non-actors can't judge actors' performances, regular citizens can't judge Obama or Congress, non-teachers can't judge teachers and so on.

The argument is pretty much a weak way for people to shout down anyone who disagrees with them because from what I've seen non-combat veterans who agree with them aren't being told to shut up.

EDIT: Shout down anyone who they perceive as disagreeing with them. From what I've read, I and most other non-military posters don't actually disagree much, if at all, with the people who are claiming non-military members can't have a valid opinion. They just perceive disagreement.
 
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In war, lots of terrible things are done by individuals on both sides. On the scale of "bad things that happen in war", this one is pretty trivial really... though it is bad PR, and the soldiers should probably be reprimanded and warned about letting things like this get on camera.

Too late.

This has blown up out of all proportion. IMO, both sides intrinsically know that this conduct was unfortunate, wrong and predictable. The other side is anxious to play "gotcha," and we are all too anxious to wail and gnash our teeth at the inhumanity of it all.

This has happened before. This is not the first time this kind of conduct has been discovered in a war theatre. Many of us will be watching to make sure these men are not used as pawns in a political chess game...that they are treated fairly and appropriately for their misconduct and not unduly punished for being human.

Here's an appropriate response from brass:

"The behavior depicted in the video is wholly inconsistent with the high standards of conduct and warrior ethos that we have demonstrated throughout our history," Gen. Jim Amos, the Marine Corps commandant, said in a statement issued Thursday morning. "Accordingly, late yesterday I requested that the Naval Criminal Investigative Service pull together a team of their very best agents and immediately assign them responsibility to thoroughly investigate every aspect of the filmed event."

Period.
 
'Shut your mouth... war is hell': Ex-Army state politician attacks 'self-righteous' critics of Marines caught urinating over Afghan bodies on video


Read more: Urination video: 4 US Marines to be charged 'within hours' | Mail Online

A state politician who served in the U.S. Army for two decades today slammed those from outside the military who have criticised the four Marines seen in a video urinating on dead Afghan bodies.
Florida Rep. Allen West, an ex-Army lieutenant colonel, insisted the Marines were wrong but fumed: ‘As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.’
His comments follow reports that all four men could imminently face criminal charges of bringing dishonour to the armed forces. Two men have been interviewed but not detained, reported CNN.


Read more: Urination video: 4 US Marines to be charged 'within hours' | Mail Online
 
'Shut your mouth... war is hell': Ex-Army state politician attacks 'self-righteous' critics of Marines caught urinating over Afghan bodies on video

Read more: Urination video: 4 US Marines to be charged 'within hours' | Mail Online
This has already been posted and handled well by StillBallin. By this guy's logic, men shouldn't have opinions on women who get abortions, no one should have an opinion on how the president does his job, non-teachers shouldn't have opinion on teaching and so on. It's a ridiculous opinion.
 
This is so freakin ridiculous I can barely grasp it. In Nam it was common practice to take ears for trophy's and wearing a near necklace wasn't that uncommon. As for cameras it was also common to cut off the heads of a couple of dead VC, and take turns holding them by the hair in front of you for pics. It's WAR, these little celebration things are Good for moral and it really helps blow off steam. I am sick to death of sniveling little lib scum cowards sitting in their easy chairs at home judging soldiers.
Yes, I saw a lot of those pictures. As a young man coming into the service after VN, it almost made me reconsider my decision. Such inhumanity? How does anyone become that type of person? Maybe we all have it in us somewhere, though I hope not, but it was very disagreeable to see people treating other humans like anmals they hunted and collected trophies of.


And Stillballin, yes the really stupid thing was to record their actions.
 
In war, lots of terrible things are done by individuals on both sides. On the scale of "bad things that happen in war", this one is pretty trivial really... though it is bad PR, and the soldiers should probably be reprimanded and warned about letting things like this get on camera.



I don't disagree. I'm more distrubed by those who try to excuse it entirely.
 
Boeing gives illegal orders?

Absolutely. It would hard for any military contractor to survive if all wars were fought legally.

Does anyone else have a problem with that answer? I'm not sure, but it seems fkd up.



Anyway, these guys are ******s. A real unit woulda sht on 'em.
 
This is disgusting, and there should be appropriate disciplinary action. I can't imagine that there's anyone out there who has anything else to say on the matter.

Then you must think it equally disgusting when Somalians dragged the naked and battered bodies of American soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu.
 
At the LEAST, this is just incredibly classless and arrogant. It's a poor representation of our country and if people want to act like this, they ought to do it on their own time when they aren't officially representing their country. I hope that they will be properly disciplined.

The Marines represent our country quite well by the injections they provide to cure terrorism.
 
Watched this video and thanks to another person's post in another forum there is absent a very important part in this video. There is no urine flow from any of the four marines. No splashing, it is pure propaganda.

Now the Huffington post has some splanning to do along with CNN. Why was this done throughout the world media? Ruling class loosing there grip that much?

Not to mention Hillary Clinton for not seeing the absense of the whole firestorm. Urine flow.
 
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Watched this video and thanks to another person's post in another forum there is absent a very important part in this video. There is no urine flow from any of the four marines. No splashing, it is pure propaganda.

Now the Huffington post has some splanning to do along with CNN. Why was this done throughout the world media? Ruling class loosing there grip that much?

Not to mention Hillary Clinton for not seeing the absense of the whole firestorm. Urine flow.

Wouldn't be the first time.

It's like the youtube vid that went viral, that mis-identified British Soliders as Americans.
 
Watched this video and thanks to another person's post in another forum there is absent a very important part in this video. There is no urine flow from any of the four marines. No splashing, it is pure propaganda.Now the Huffington post has some splanning to do along with CNN. Why was this done throughout the world media? Ruling class loosing there grip that much?Not to mention Hillary Clinton for not seeing the absense of the whole firestorm. Urine flow.
Iirc, according to CriticalThought, there is supposedly a video that shows the stream(s) of urine. If that's not the truth, then this story, like the cake, is a lie. It'd be great if we could cut out the confusion and get to the truth.
 
Iirc, according to CriticalThought, there is supposedly a video that shows the stream(s) of urine. If that's not the truth, then this story, like the cake, is a lie. It'd be great if we could cut out the confusion and get to the truth.

The way it has gone, that isn't likely to happen. I agree with you though, for what that is worth.
But here is the thing, was the photoshop of the urine flows or without. Again conflicting evidence to fuel the fires of discontent to each choir of social justification their ideology is more real that any other reality.

That is why I went to stating I am but one male human. That is an absolute physical real result of this compounding moment divided by so many theories and theologies nobody knows what is real for sure anymore and hasn't for centuries.
 
It seem any excuse is being sought for these scum. The "bad apples" lie will be next. It's the norm, these dullards were just too stupid or uncaring to consider the consequences of posting their triumphant victory on Youtube. Were the dead children really terrorists, or just fragged for fun like last years obscenity?
 
Watched this video and thanks to another person's post in another forum there is absent a very important part in this video. There is no urine flow from any of the four marines. No splashing, it is pure propaganda.

Now the Huffington post has some splanning to do along with CNN. Why was this done throughout the world media? Ruling class loosing there grip that much?

Not to mention Hillary Clinton for not seeing the absense of the whole firestorm. Urine flow.

Really? Because there definitely is 'urine flow' in this video:

Marine Corps Investigating 'Marines Peeing on Taliban' Video
 
Really? Because there definitely is 'urine flow' in this video:

Marine Corps Investigating 'Marines Peeing on Taliban' Video

Isn't it great when anything is possible but understanding the absolute truth while every theory and theology has more weight by law and accusation than self evident results functioning the same way all the time as details never stay the same or duplicated twice naturally.

Thank god for technology to even bury the real deeper in doubt.
 
It seem any excuse is being sought for these scum. The "bad apples" lie will be next. It's the norm, these dullards were just too stupid or uncaring to consider the consequences of posting their triumphant victory on Youtube. Were the dead children really terrorists, or just fragged for fun like last years obscenity?


Dead children?

Fragged for fun?


Could you be more needlessly and dishonestly inflammatory?
 
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"disregard for human life"? You have no idea do you, war is far beyond disregard for human life. It is thirsting to kill your enemy that has killed your buddies and taking great delight seeing their dead bodies bloat in the sun. It must be nice in your comfy little world and you should get on your knees and thank all the soldiers through out history that let you have your sweet little life.

You're a fvcking idiot. You know nothing about her life and how "sweet" it has been and what her family has experienced so shut the fvck up.

As for the thirsting to kill your enemy that has killed your buddies and seeing their dead bodies lying in the sun, i bet you're one of those hypocrites who will defend these soldiers actions and then be the first to whine and moan when you see those on the other side of the conflict mock and laugh and celebrate in the streets when one of our boys is killed.

Both are equally disgusting but you would never see that because you're a hypocrite. You are so much like those you so easily condemn it's shocking.
 
You're a fvcking idiot. You know nothing about her life and how "sweet" it has been and what her family has experienced so shut the fvck up.

As for the thirsting to kill your enemy that has killed your buddies and seeing their dead bodies lying in the sun, i bet you're one of those hypocrites who will defend these soldiers actions and then be the first to whine and moan when you see those on the other side of the conflict mock and laugh and celebrate in the streets when one of our boys is killed.

Both are equally disgusting but you would never see that because you're a hypocrite. You are so much like those you so easily condemn it's shocking.

I didn't even know we were in the basement. LOL

I've never understood when people make the "you're as bad or worse than those you condemn" comments. I'm like, really? Posting an opinion makes someone just as bad as terrorists (or whatever)? I don't see it.
 
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