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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Recruitment of felons up in U.S. Army and Marine Corps
By Lizette Alvarez

Strained by the demands of a long war, the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps recruited significantly more felons into their ranks in 2007 than in 2006, including people convicted of armed robbery, arson and burglary, according to data released by a House committee.

Recruitment of felons up in U.S. Army and Marine Corps - The New York Times
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Army Giving More Waivers in Recruiting

By LIZETTE ALVAREZ

The number of waivers granted to Army recruits with criminal backgrounds has grown about 65 percent in the last three years, increasing to 8,129 in 2006 from 4,918 in 2003, Department of Defense records show.

Recruitment of felons up in U.S. Army and Marine Corps - The New York Times
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Two of the offenders pictured in the video have now been identified, according news reports.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ohh so if you serve int he military you have the sudden urge to piss on dead corpses?
Gotcha...


So its a question now, if i served or not is it?
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Why would you insult our service members just to make a point?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Yeah, I know. Your argument amounts to "You have no way of knowing what you would do, so shut up and stop criticizing them!" That's a weak argument.
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Not really. It's one thing to say, "that's wrong". It something entirely different to judge those Marines as people.
 
Ockham said:
There's an investigation because it was filmed and put on youtube.
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Ohhh so its only bad if its filmed...
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Is it okay to pee on corpses --- sure.
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Its ok?
Ok then i guess you wont mind if the taliban pee on people.. Hell i guess its ok if i go to a funeral and if i have to pee instead of going to the bathroom ill pee on the dead person...

If I'm with a company and some guy decides to take a deuce on top of a dead enemy, I'm not sayin' boo for a variety of reasons.
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Yea im sure that will help out our cause real well..


Sure.
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What's not okay about it?
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1.)Respecting the dead
2.)How it represents the USA
3.)How the terrorists are going to use this as a propaganda piece to recruit more members


You thought? So now Marines have to live up to what you think?
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No they dont i was just expressing my opinion and what my family members who were in the armed forces portrayed to myself

That's not their job to live up to what you think they should or should not do.
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NEver said it was

Their job is to do what they're told, to kill when told, to help when told and to do it in exceptional fashion. I'm sure this Marine when he pissed, did it very well.
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Sweet


It means you cannot empathize nor understand what did or did not prompt this Marine to do what he did. As you cannot and do not understand his state of mind, your view on the matter is one of a product of misunderstanding.
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Sense i dont think we should be peeing on people it means that i'm "misunderstood"? :shock:

I'm not saying you have to agree or condone his actions - but you have no way of understanding his frame of mind. You might just want to weigh that into your abject criticism and outrage.
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I have...
I know plenty of service members and im sure they didnt pee on people...
 
CriticalThought said:
Did they also teach the Marines that desecrating an enemy corpse is against the Geneva convention? Or was that lesson left out?
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You think they're worried about the GC, or what might happen to them for pissing on someone that is already dead. No, they're not. They're worried about one thing and that's completing their primary mission: to make it back home, mentally and physically intact.
 
apdst said:
Not really. It's one thing to say, "that's wrong". It something entirely different to judge those Marines as people.
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I think that's what most people are doing - judging them as people.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ohhh so its only bad if its filmed...
Gotcha...


Its ok?
Ok then i guess you wont mind if the taliban pee on people.. Hell i guess its ok if i go to a funeral and if i have to pee instead of going to the bathroom ill pee on the dead person...


Yea im sure that will help out our cause real well..



:roll:


1.)Respecting the dead
2.)How it represents the USA
3.)How the terrorists are going to use this as a propaganda piece to recruit more members



No they dont i was just expressing my opinion and what my family members who were in the armed forces portrayed to myself


NEver said it was


Sweet



Sense i dont think we should be peeing on people it means that i'm "misunderstood"? :shock:


I have...
I know plenty of service members and im sure they didnt pee on people...
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I've never pissed on a dead body, on a battlefield, either--had to specify there...LOL--but I've escaped situations with my life before, too and can understand how one feels, which is why I say: this is no big deal.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I think that's what most people are doing - judging them as people.
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Those that are doing so are doing it from an uninformed position. That's why those people are wrong.
 
apdst said:
Not really. It's one thing to say, "that's wrong". It something entirely different to judge those Marines as people.
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Pissing on a corpse tells me all I need to know about a man.

Have you tried applying this sort of thinking to people on welfare, by any chance?
 
Deuce said:
Pissing on a corpse tells me all I need to know about a man.

Have you tried applying this sort of thinking to people on welfare, by any chance?
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Getting one's panties in a twist over a soldier on a battlefield, possibly after multiple deployments, who is mentally and physically drainsed and ahppier than hell just to be alive, pissing on a dead enemy, whose head he just exploded with an FMJ round, speaks volumes.

Like I say, it's not that big of a deal to waste someone, but OMG! Don't piss on'em! :lamo
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ohhh so its only bad if its filmed...
Gotcha...
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It's only an issue because it was filmed.


TheDemSocialist said:
Its ok?
Ok then i guess you wont mind if the taliban pee on people.. Hell i guess its ok if i go to a funeral and if i have to pee instead of going to the bathroom ill pee on the dead person...
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Sure... the Taliban have done much worse already Them pissing an a dead Marine would be a few steps up. If you do piss on a dead person at a funeral, make sure someone's recording it until they scrape you up off the ground. They may not be as understanding as I am. :lol:

TheDemSocialist said:
Yea im sure that will help out our cause real well..
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The only cause I'd want is more dead terrorists.

TheDemSocialist said:
1.)Respecting the dead
2.)How it represents the USA
3.)How the terrorists are going to use this as a propaganda piece to recruit more members
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The act was disrespectful on purpose. It doesn't represent the USA. The Marines may say it represents them badly but that's up to them, it represents the Marine who pissed on the dead Taliban guy, but it doesn't represent the USA at all. So everything you do represents the USA? The terrorist use whatever they can to recruit - if it wasn't this it would be something else - that's weak sauce.

TheDemSocialist said:
No they dont i was just expressing my opinion and what my family members who were in the armed forces portrayed to myself
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Ok.


TheDemSocialist said:
NEver said it was
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Ok.


TheDemSocialist said:
Sense i dont think we should be peeing on people it means that i'm "misunderstood"? :shock:
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See I learned something today. There's a time when a socialist is intolerant of "water sports".

TheDemSocialist said:
I have...
I know plenty of service members and im sure they didnt pee on people...
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You need to ask those service members, first if they were in combat and then describe what occurred and tell me if they're still so outraged as you are. What you don't seem to realize is there are at least a few service people here on DP who have provided a little different insight than your own. Again, we're not condoning. At risk of being flippant about this --- did you ever hear the Chris Rock standup where he talks about O.J. and he says, "I'm not saying he should have killed her.... but I understand". Well I'm the same way about this. Not too hard to understand.
 
apdst said:
Getting one's panties in a twist over a soldier on a battlefield, possibly after multiple deployments, who is mentally and physically drainsed and ahppier than hell just to be alive, pissing on a dead enemy, whose head he just exploded with an FMJ round, speaks volumes.

Like I say, it's not that big of a deal to waste someone, but OMG! Don't piss on'em! :lamo
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That rationale of "don't piss on 'em" is a bit strange....
 
I get the part about respecting a corpse. I mean, that's the right thing to do.

But, to be clear, I do not respect the Taliban, dead or alive.

Even though I may never actually urinate on one, I do have a "piss on 'em" attitude.

But this was some bad ju-ju. No doubt.
 
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Latest big scandal is soldiers pissing on dead Taliban, since when has war become so PC? These guys have seen their buddys killed and horribly wounded by Taliban and a little celebrating when they kill some of them is no big deal indeed most wars see far worse. Hillary is all shook up over this and said they will be held accountable which is infuriating. Why is it OK to shoot, bomb, stab, incinerate or whatever it takes to kill the enemy but then you have to be respectful of their corpse. Stand by her cheating man Hillary has alot of nerve saying squat to these brave soldiers and should shut her ****** mouth! END RANT
 
apdst said:
I've never pissed on a dead body, on a battlefield, either--had to specify there...LOL--but I've escaped situations with my life before, too and can understand how one feels, which is why I say: this is no big deal.
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Because they were under fire maybe from these people maybe not, does that give them the right to piss on them?
 
Ockham said:
It's only an issue because it was filmed.
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It was brought to light by the film..



Sure...
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I would beg to differ...
You seriously think that's ok?
the Taliban have done much worse already
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Ok.

Them pissing an a dead Marine would be a few steps up.
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But marines pissing on a dead militant is totally different?

If you do piss on a dead person at a funeral, make sure someone's recording it until they scrape you up off the ground. They may not be as understanding as I am. :lol:
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Ehhh i would rather not. But sense pissing on people ok is cool maybe you can try and i will videotape? :cool:


The only cause I'd want is more dead terrorists.
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But this action i gurantee wont help out so much..



The act was disrespectful on purpose. It doesn't represent the USA. The Marines may say it represents them badly but that's up to them, it represents the Marine who pissed on the dead Taliban guy, but it doesn't represent the USA at all. So everything you do represents the USA? The terrorist use whatever they can to recruit - if it wasn't this it would be something else - that's weak sauce.
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I thought are women and men in the amred forces represent the USA?






See I learned something today. There's a time when a socialist is intolerant of "water sports".
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I actually chuckled at this :lol:

You need to ask those service members, first if they were in combat and then describe what occurred and tell me if they're still so outraged as you are. What you don't seem to realize is there are at least a few service people here on DP who have provided a little different insight than your own. Again, we're not condoning. At risk of being flippant about this --- did you ever hear the Chris Rock standup where he talks about O.J. and he says, "I'm not saying he should have killed her.... but I understand". Well I'm the same way about this. Not too hard to understand.
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Ok...
 
Ockham said:
He shot the guy dead. No problem with that?
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I have no problem them shooting him if they were under fire by these people. But if your going to disrespect them and just pee on them, that is what i have a problem with for several reasons..
 
TheDemSocialist said:
It was brought to light by the film..
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Semantics ... you're saying the same thing.

TheDemSocialist said:
I would beg to differ...
You seriously think that's ok?
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I've answered this like 3 times already.

TheDemSocialist said:
But marines pissing on a dead militant is totally different?
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It's a step up from the Taliban's past actions.

TheDemSocialist said:
Ehhh i would rather not. But sense pissing on people ok is cool maybe you can try and i will videotape? :cool:
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I've already answered where I urinate - also multiple times.

TheDemSocialist said:
But this action i gurantee wont help out so much..
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

TheDemSocialist said:
I thought are women and men in the amred forces represent the USA?
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You didn't answer my question. Does everything you do represent the USA? You have your answer...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I have no problem them shooting him if they were under fire by these people. But if your going to disrespect them and just pee on them, that is what i have a problem with for several reasons..
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Do you see anything wrong with your answer? The Marine took the guys life - justifiably, but you're more concerned about his urination.... I have to echo others who have said it many times.... this is not that big of a deal.
 
Not going to read 400+ posts. The problem is not that they pissed on the scumbag dead ragheads. The problem is that it became known outside of that unit. Really well known. I am sure this sentiment has been said already.

Edit in: This is a first. The word "outside" appears twice above, but is only typed once, and when I go to edit, is also only there once.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Not going to read 400+ posts. The problem is not that they pissed on the scumbag dead ragheads. The problem is that it became known outside of that unit. Really well known. I am sure this sentiment has been said already.
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It has, but it can't be said enough. I'm figuring that the guy who videoed it sent it to a couple of friends state side and one of them posted it up. Bad move. Unfortunately, it's going to get pretty ugly for these guys. Too bad they don't observe Vegas Rules.
 
In the Nam, they used to cut their little VC dick's off and ram 'em down their throats.

If I could not make myself piss on somebody, I doubt I could make myself shoot a hole in their head.

Just sayin' that after you blow somebody's brains out, it is quite obvious you don't have a whole lot of regard for them. But putting a zipper in them is acceptable but pissing on their dead face isn't? I need a while to ponder that idea.

In the military, I never even seen my targets face to face. They were merely a blip on a radar screen.
 
Ockham said:
Do you see anything wrong with your answer? The Marine took the guys life - justifiably, but you're more concerned about his urination.... I have to echo others who have said it many times.... this is not that big of a deal.
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Was the urination justified? I think you've answered your own question. Defending yourself is necessary. Desecrating the dead is not.

Eighty Deuce said:
Not going to read 400+ posts. The problem is not that they pissed on the scumbag dead ragheads. The problem is that it became known outside of that unit. Really well known. I am sure this sentiment has been said already.

Edit in: This is a first. The word "outside" appears twice above, but is only typed once, and when I go to edit, is also only there once.
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Yeah, throw in a racial slur. That'll really help you make your point!
 
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Deuce said:
Was the urination justified?
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I dont' know, I wasn't there.

Deuce said:
I think you've answered your own question. Defending yourself is necessary. Desecrating the dead is not.
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Since when is "necessary" the benchmark of action in the military? :lol:
 
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