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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

I think there's value in being better than the opposition. There's also value in not representing your country poorly. There's also value in not pissing off terrorists even more so that they'll have another video to use to recruit more terrorists who eventually kill you or other Americans.


I never said you shouldn't. In fact, I pretty much said the exact opposite.


When you learn to look at things from more than just your perspective, you can answer that question for yourself.


I don't know. You probably have an answer that is insulting to liberals and I probably have an answer that's insulting to conservatives.

✥ We already ARE better than the opposition. We didn't ram two planes into a building thus killing 3000+ people, nor have we engaged in terrorist activities that have claimed numerous lives. The moment the Taliban decided to kill people in such a way and commit other heinous things, they LOWERED themselves to us.

✥ Oh, OK.

✥ Then what perspective would you have me look through to understand? Perhaps those people of those perspectives should follow your advice and look through my perspective.

✥ I have no insults for liberals. For the Taliban? Yes, as well as contempt. I merely wonder why, as I've seen in the past, liberals moreso are outraged, while conservatives moreso aren't outraged.
 
These people are human beings. Humans. Who cares if they were members of the Taliban or not... Remember we used to love the Taliban!
These are humans...

This doesn't figure at all into my thought process when I see this. Whether or not the Talibans are humans, jerks, assholes or whatever, US Marines generally hold themselves to a higher standard than this (or at least they claim to, and I think that in the vast majority of cases they are true to their word).

Isn't that what Honor, Courage, and Commitment is all about?
 
These people are human beings. Humans. Who cares if they were members of the Taliban or not... Remember we used to love the Taliban!
These are humans...

NAZIs were humans too...

:2bigcry:
 
An investigation has been ordered.

It's funny, but a lot of the same people who worried about military decorum breaking down with the repeal of DADT seem to be the same people arguing that pissing on dead enemies is entirely justified.
 
I'd have to disagree.

It actually makes it much easier to piss on a person if you've killed them first. The live ones usually don't like it so much and many can manage to redirect the stream when motivated by the attempt to do so in such a way as to prevent the completion of the act.

Ah, a man with experience peeing on people in various states health. Are you a hedge fund manager? :lamo
 
✥ We already ARE better than the opposition. We didn't ram two planes into a building thus killing 3000+ people, nor have we engaged in terrorist activities that have claimed numerous lives. The moment the Taliban decided to kill people in such a way and commit other heinous things, they LOWERED themselves to us.

The terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan.
 
No, they're definitely still human. I don't know what the point in even debating that is. Whether it matters that they are human is another story.

It's a lifeless husk and decomposes as any other living thing does and it decomposes the exact same way as non-human flesh. No... it's definitely NOT human.
 
✥ We already ARE better than the opposition. We didn't ram two planes into a building thus killing 3000+ people, nor have we engaged in terrorist activities that have claimed numerous lives. The moment the Taliban decided to kill people in such a way and commit other heinous things, they LOWERED themselves to us.

✥ Oh, OK.

✥ Then what perspective would you have me look through to understand? Perhaps those people of those perspectives should follow your advice and look through my perspective.

✥ I have no insults for liberals. For the Taliban? Yes, as well as contempt. I merely wonder why, as I've seen in the past, liberals moreso are outraged, while conservatives moreso aren't outraged.
1. In the big picture, I would agree that we are 'better'. However, in this specific instance, these specific Marines did something gratuitous and arrogant that the Taliban would do. Consequently, in this specific moment, no they aren't better.

2. Yep.

3. I already see it through your perspective. Not only that, I agreed with it. And as for other points of view, I already explained them in the first part of my response.

4. This part of your post is BS.
 
"Were" human beings.... they are no longer and a little assistance in the decomposition process is better for the general health of the society and mankind who still is alive.
Yes, the Taliban should thank those Marines for increasing the poppy harvest next year. In fact, if they really cared about their countrymen, all members of the Taliban and Al Qaeda would line up in front of a M1A1 Abrams and aim their AK-47's at it. This would give the crew manning the Abrams positive id of a threat, resulting in clearance for them to mow them all down. Then, we could sell the ground they fall on to the Afghan farmer with the highest bid, give them the wheat to grow on it, and come home.
 
Yes and you dont think this is going to help our cause at all?
You dont think that some Al Qaeda or Islamo-fascist organization is going to pick this up and use it to recruit more members to fight the "great devils"?

Personally, I'm sick to death of the argument that we should give a flying flip what people who hate us anyway will think of what we do. Better not oppose the GZ mosque or burn the Quran or it'll make people mad. **** that. It, honestly, strikes me as a way to disguise concern or sympathy for jihadists by pretending concern for how it impacts our military. I could be wrong about that.
 
They [not all] care in that the TALIBAN is being disrespected. If they DIDN'T care, then why make this an issue, and why do there seem to be more outraged liberal than conservatives on this issue?

It's not that I care that the Talican was being disrespected it was that our troops have a higher code of conduct and discipline that they adhere too.
 
Yes, the Taliban should thank those Marines for increasing the poppy harvest next year. In fact, if they really cared about their countrymen, all members of the Taliban and Al Qaeda would line up in front of a M1A1 Abrams and aim their AK-47's at it. This would give the crew manning the Abrams positive id of a threat, resulting in clearance for them to mow them all down. Then, we could sell the ground they fall on to the Afghan farmer with the highest bid, give them the wheat to grow on it, and come home.

On the farm we called that a "manure spreader", same basic function. Stunk like hell but the plants sure like the nitrogen boost.
 
It's a lifeless husk and decomposes as any other living thing does and it decomposes the exact same way as non-human flesh. No... it's definitely NOT human.
No, it's definitely human. If decomposition makes something not human, then I suggest you present your theory to archaeologists so they can pack up their gear.
 
I will wait until the authenticity of the video is established before I condemn any soldier. That being said, if true, these soldiers will be punished and the the command itself will be under scrutiny as how something like this could occur.
 
No, it's definitely human. If decomposition makes something not human, then I suggest you present your theory to archaeologists so they can pack up their gear.

I didn't say that decomposition makes something not human... :roll: What makes a person human is their brain, their human brain and consciousness. Dead bodies don't have that any longer - hence, rotting meat.
 
Personally, I'm sick to death of the argument that we should give a flying flip what people who hate us anyway will think of what we do. Better not oppose the GZ mosque or burn the Quran or it'll make people mad. **** that. It, honestly, strikes me as a way to disguise concern or sympathy for jihadists by pretending concern for how it impacts our military. I could be wrong about that.

People who "hate us anyway"? Those people might be numerous, but the vast majority of them don't really care to do anything about it. However, for the people who do care to actually take up arms and fight against us, it's episodes like these that help them to enlarge their numbers. If you don't think that this will be used as propaganda for the Taliban to draw more supporters to their cause, well I disagree.
 
The terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan.

Alright. The Taliban is still guilty of heinousness and terrorism.

1. In the big picture, I would agree that we are 'better'. However, in this specific instance, these specific Marines did something gratuitous and arrogant that the Taliban would do. Consequently, in this specific moment, no they aren't better.

2. Yep.

3. I already see it through your perspective. Not only that, I agreed with it. And as for other points of view, I already explained them in the first part of my response.

4. This part of your post is BS.

1. They may not be better, but I certainly am not outraged by it. Sure, it's not nice to pee on a dead body, but the scales are tipped quite a bit when that person is part of a murderous organization, whether Taliban or NAZI. I have no sympathy for these murderers and I find them to be justified.

4. How so? I'm not here to insult liberals. I will say that I see that more liberals than conservatives are outraged over this instance. ...or would you have me believe it is mainly the liberals who have no outrage at all for this instance?


It's not that I care that the Talican was being disrespected it was that our troops have a higher code of conduct and discipline that they adhere too.

And I can understand that, but knowing how heinous the TALIBAN are, I have no outrage, unlike others here.
 
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A full 21 pages before this thread got Godwinned. I'm impressed.

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

>TDS: "OH, the TALIBAN were people TOO..."
>>Me: "Yeah, so were the NAZIs yet I doubt people here would be as outraged."
 
However, for the people who do care to actually take up arms and fight against us, it's episodes like these that help them to enlarge their numbers. If you don't think that this will be used as propaganda for the Taliban to draw more supporters to their cause, well I disagree.
But if it's not this, they'll use something else as propaganda. It's not like the Taliban are hurting for things to use for propaganda to enlarge their numbers.
 
No, it's definitely human. If decomposition makes something not human, then I suggest you present your theory to archaeologists so they can pack up their gear.
So, noticing your lean I'm making an assumption here, a decomposed body is human, but a fetus is not. In other words, something dead is still what it was, but something still growing isn't what it is.......riiiiiiight.
 
NAZIs were humans too...

:2bigcry:

You really like to bring up the Nazi card dont you?

So you would piss on a dead Nazi soldier?
Even tho not all soldiers were generally "Nazis"....
Even tho many of them had no other choice to fight (could be the case for many of the "fighters in Afghanistan")
Even tho many of the Nazi soldiers did not believe in the Nazi ways
Even tho many of the Nazi soldiers were "just doing their job"
 
It's a lifeless husk and decomposes as any other living thing does and it decomposes the exact same way as non-human flesh. No... it's definitely NOT human.

Can i piss on dead people here in the US?
 
I didn't say that decomposition makes something not human... :roll: What makes a person human is their brain, their human brain and consciousness. Dead bodies don't have that any longer - hence, rotting meat.
So, you are saying that decomposition of a human body makes it not human. Again, tell that to archaeologists. A human being is a member of the Homo Sapiens species, alive or dead which is why we call human bodies from 100 BC human.
 
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