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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

jamesrage said:
The Taliban have done way much worse than piss on someone..
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Of course they have. They are subhumans.

We don't refrain on pissing on them because they are human but because we are.
 
MaggieD said:
Get off my ass, Hatuey. You do this every once in a while, and it's growing tiresome.
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It's not my fault you're being blatantly hypocritical. Apparently pissing on dead people is acceptable... killing enemies working on nuclear bombs not so much.
 
justabubba said:
sure it would pissing on their buddies would also motivate them further here is an example of a population being motivated in a way it otherwise would not: BBC NEWS | Middle East | Bodies mutilated in Iraq attack
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Pft, bro, whatever, the Taliban has plenty of reason to hate us, mainly that we're not also radical islamists, we let our women out in public, and Team America. Pissing on a few bodies isn't going to worsen anything. Now maybe if those were Afgan local nationals it would be a different story, but these were Taliban. If anything, the US swayed local opinion in our favor by showing that we can protect them from the Taliban.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I guess I don't really understand what there is to applaud here. Nor do I understand the intense hatred some have for the enemy. I mean, these guys are already dead. While they held a horrible ideology, they are still human beings. Why not show them dignity in death? You've already won. I'm also incredibly sick of the bull**** macho posturing that condones this kind of behavior. I sincerely hope that the morons responsible for this heinous act are held accountable. See, we are supposed to be the good guys. We are supposed to be held at a level above the enemy, which is why our military has a code of honor. No, instead the usual tough talkers of DP come along and applaud it (boner and all) and also talk tough to the people who are disgusted by behavior. Your schtick is incredibly old and tired.
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If you truly view someone as scum of the earth then why should you show that person's corpse any dignity,especially if that person killed someone you loved or cared about? Besides that person is dead I do not think they are capable of caring if someone pisses on their corpses. If they were alive and conscience then they would care if someone was pissing on them.
 
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Whiney babies everywhere....how many of you posters have even been in the military much less seen combat. While I am not pleased to see this my punishment would be verbal repremand only with no loss of pay or rank and a "carry on". When you aim at a human and pull the trigger with the sole purpose of killing that person, urinating on the remains is most likley not a major concern of a typical soldier, American or other. Bless our fighters every day and may they forever be held in our hearts and spirit.
 
Hatuey said:
It's not my fault you're being blatantly hypocritical. Apparently pissing on dead people is acceptable... killing enemies working on nuclear bombs not so much.
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Where did I say that pissing on dead people is acceptable?
What does "pissing on a dead body" have in common with killing someone? Answer: Not a thing.

Address the thread topic, Hat.
 
MaggieD said:
What does "pissing on a dead body" have in common with killing someone? Answer: Not a thing.
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I'd have to disagree.

It actually makes it much easier to piss on a person if you've killed them first. The live ones usually don't like it so much and many can manage to redirect the stream when motivated by the attempt to do so in such a way as to prevent the completion of the act.
 
TheNextEra said:
Given your response to me, you must not have read my previous post on this. I said previously I wasn't outraged and I understood (and also might be inclined to do the same thing put in the situation they were just in), but they ARE responsible for their own actions regardless. Actions can sometimes have negative consequences associated with those actions.
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I agree...my biggest upset is that they are stupid enough to record their act AND post it. It doesnt reflect poorly on just those individuals. While I find their act idiotic, frankly, if someone has put a sniper bullet through my head...Im probably not all that fired up concerned over whether or not they have urinated on me after I am dead.

I will give a lot of the 'outraged' or 'disgusted' voices (since people dont like the word 'outraged') a bit more credence when they are leading the charge expressing outrage over the atrocities committed by the Taliban and other terrorist entitities.
 
Gardener said:
I'd have to disagree.

It actually makes it much easier to piss on a person if you've killed them first. The live ones usually don't like it so much and many can manage to redirect the stream when motivated by the attempt to do so in such a way as to prevent the completion of the act.
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This was hilarious. I literally laughed out loud when I read it.
 
VanceMack said:
I will give a lot of the 'outraged' or 'disgusted' voices (since people dont like the word 'outraged') a bit more credence when they are leading the charge expressing outrage over the atrocities committed by the Taliban and other terrorist entitities.
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What makes you think that those who are disgusted with the actions in the OP, wouldn't express the same in a thread about the Taliban?
 
VanceMack said:
I agree...my biggest upset is that they are stupid enough to record their act AND post it. It doesnt reflect poorly on just those individuals. While I find their act idiotic, frankly, if someone has put a sniper bullet through my head...Im probably not all that fired up concerned over whether or not they have urinated on me after I am dead.

I will give a lot of the 'outraged' or 'disgusted' voices (since people dont like the word 'outraged') a bit more credence when they are leading the charge expressing outrage over the atrocities committed by the Taliban and other terrorist entitities.
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aren't we supposed to be better than that? seriously? NO ONE condones the atrocities the taliban commits, and everyone should be outraged that our marines behave this way. it's disgusting and speaks to a serious lack of discipline.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
What makes you think that those who are disgusted with the actions in the OP, wouldn't express the same in a thread about the Taliban?
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Perhaps the fact that I dont see people tripping over themselves to create threads and have yet to see anyone in THIS thread doing that very thing. TYPICALLY...some evil anti-Muslim type will post a story and picture showing burned bodies and the immediate response is to show how anti-Muslim the OP is and how the atrocities of a few dont reflect on the majority of the good honest peaceful folk that really just are loving and kind and would never do or support or condone such a thing (pictures of cheering crowds in the street to the contrary).
 
VanceMack said:
I will give a lot of the 'outraged' or 'disgusted' voices (since people dont like the word 'outraged') a bit more credence when they are leading the charge expressing outrage over the atrocities committed by the Taliban and other terrorist entitities.
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For some, like myself, the reason I don't express outrage at the Taliban or terrorists (at least on an internet debate board) is this is what we have come to expect from the Taliban and terrorists. We know they are not honorable, we know their atrocities are worse, we know terrorists are generally bad people. I'm outraged but I just don't feel I need to express that here. I express it to people I know at home or friends I hang out with personally.

The outrage or disgust from people comes from the fact people don't expect this from Marines. They have a higher expectation from them. That is actually a good thing. It generally means they have a good view of the Marines and military.

Now where I will take offense from people's outrage or digust is when they try to paint the entire military that way. That's where I say it is too much and will gladly speak out against that type of broad bruch being painted.
 
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liblady said:
aren't we supposed to be better than that? seriously? NO ONE condones the atrocities the taliban commits, and everyone should be outraged that our marines behave this way. it's disgusting and speaks to a serious lack of discipline.
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Why? What is this magic bean that our military personnel are supposed to get that removes 'society' from the soldier? Better? I work with soldiers. I LOVE our military. I spent 20 years AD and a lifetime around the military. The organization teaches high standards and MOST of the people are just like society...PEOPLE with high standards. Some...are just like the average civilian and prone to the same bouts of occasional stupidity. Except maybe a LITTLE bit more intensified because of their experiences.
 
liblady said:
aren't we supposed to be better than that? seriously? NO ONE condones the atrocities the taliban commits, and everyone should be outraged that our marines behave this way. it's disgusting and speaks to a serious lack of discipline.
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You have no idea what discipline is. Discipline is the fact that these snipers in that video can keep their eye in a scope for 8 plus hours, in the prone position, without moving, and still take an effective shot at up to 1,000 yards. Pissing on their bodies shows more of a lack or respect and disdain for the enemy than anything else. It also shows a complete breakdown in concern for their fellow man. At least, when that fellow man is of the mold that likes to plant IED's that kill their buddies, throw acid on little girl's faces, and cut women's noses off when they are raped. Always view a Marine or soldiers acts, in combat, in context before forming your opinion. I never said it was right, if you look through all my posts on this thread. But I sympathize with them on it because I've been there and know how they feel.
 
TheNextEra said:
For some, like myself, the reason I don't express outrage at the Taliban or terrorists (at least on an internet debate board) is this is what we have come to expect from the Taliban and terrorists. We know they are not honorable, we know their atrocities are worse, we know terrorists are generally bad people.

The outrage or disgust from people comes from the fact people don't expect this from Marines. They have a higher expectation from them. That is actually a good thing. It generally means they have a good view of the Marines and military.

Now where I will take offense from people's outrage or digust is when they try to paint the entire military that way. That's where I say it is too much and will gladly speak out against that type of broad bruch being painted.
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I think we teach those standards and stand for higher standards. I just hope people are smart enough to accept that not every marine...not every soldier is going to embrace them 24/7. I've seen GOOD soldiers do incredibly STUPID things 'in the moment'. You can teach a lot of things but you cant program out human nature.
 
I don't get the outrage. This type of thing probably happens a lot more often than people think. War is hell and soldiers get through it by dehumanizing their enemy. And its probably made worse by the fact that we have an enemy that doesn't play by the accepted "rules" of warfare.

The part that warrants punishment in my mind is that they recorded it and shared it on the internet. But even there, let's be honest. Its not like terrorists had trouble recruiting before this. This incident gives the enemy a little extra piece of propaganda, but its not like there is going to be a surge of new Taliban recruits because of a video of a few guys pissing on some corpse. It did not seriously undermine our mission in anyway. And while we're speaking of the mission to win hearts and minds, let me add that armies are ill suited to do such tasks. Their purpose is splatter hearts and brains.

All in all, if these guys are never identified and punished, I won't lose sleep over it. It's not like they are war criminals or something, which if we went by how strongly some people here are reacting, you might think they are.
 
VanceMack said:
Why? What is this magic bean that our military personnel are supposed to get that removes 'society' from the soldier? Better? I work with soldiers. I LOVE our military. I spent 20 years AD and a lifetime around the military. The organization teaches high standards and MOST of the people are just like society...PEOPLE with high standards. Some...are just like the average civilian and prone to the same bouts of occasional stupidity. Except maybe a LITTLE bit more intensified because of their experiences.
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then don't complain when we see the same from our enemies. every instance of behavior like this is fodder for the world to condemn us. i also have high respect for our military, and it's sickening to see these people tarnish their reputation.
 
VanceMack said:
Perhaps the fact that I dont see people tripping over themselves to create threads and have yet to see anyone in THIS thread doing that very thing. TYPICALLY...some evil anti-Muslim type will post a story and picture showing burned bodies and the immediate response is to show how anti-Muslim the OP is and how the atrocities of a few dont reflect on the majority of the good honest peaceful folk that really just are loving and kind and would never do or support or condone such a thing (pictures of cheering crowds in the street to the contrary).
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First of all, this thread isn't about the Taliban, it's about the Marines so I don't understand how you could read so much into people not making their comments about the Taliban. Second, I doubt you trip over yourself to make threads about the Taliban either. Most people don't trip over anyone to make threads about anything. So again, I don't understand how you can read so much into people not 'tripping over themselves' to post a thread. 3. Saying that most Muslims aren't burning bodies is not the same thing as refusing to acknowledge that disgusting actions by the Taliban are, in fact, disgusting.
 
Would all of you here and the world in general have been more or less "outraged" if these Marines had just covered the bodies of the dead enemy in pig fat?
 
VanceMack said:
I think we teach those standards and stand for higher standards. I just hope people are smart enough to accept that not every marine...not every soldier is going to embrace them 24/7. I've seen GOOD soldiers do incredibly STUPID things 'in the moment'. You can teach a lot of things but you cant program out human nature.
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I agree fully. People are only human. And in a situation where a military member does something...well.....stupid, that is what nonjudical punishment can be used for quite well IMO. I don't think what they did warrants a court martial at all. I think NJP would be sufficient and I don't think these actions represent at all the military in general.
 
liblady said:
then don't complain when we see the same from our enemies. every instance of behavior like this is fodder for the world to condemn us. i also have high respect for our military, and it's sickening to see these people tarnish their reputation.
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Let's at least be honest here, the actions of these Marines in no way shape or form is going to cause any more harm from a Taliban soldier than they would already be doing to a U.S. military member if captured.

That being said, I don't think it was the brightest and smartest thing for them to do either and I think nonjudicial punishment will be sufficent in this area.
 
a777pilot said:
Would all of you here and the world in general have been more or less "outraged" if these Marines had just covered the bodies of the dead enemy in pig fat?
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That would be in the same catagory as pissing on them IMO. No worse or better for me.
 
MarineTpartier said:
You have no idea what discipline is. Discipline is the fact that these snipers in that video can keep their eye in a scope for 8 plus hours, in the prone position, without moving, and still take an effective shot at up to 1,000 yards. Pissing on their bodies shows more of a lack or respect and disdain for the enemy than anything else. It also shows a complete breakdown in concern for their fellow man. At least, when that fellow man is of the mold that likes to plant IED's that kill their buddies, throw acid on little girl's faces, and cut women's noses off when they are raped. Always view a Marine or soldiers acts, in combat, in context before forming your opinion. I never said it was right, if you look through all my posts on this thread. But I sympathize with them on it because I've been there and know how they feel.
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pissing on their bodies shows a lack of restraint, a lack of humanity and a moment of stupidity.
 
liblady said:
aren't we supposed to be better than that? seriously? NO ONE condones the atrocities the taliban commits, and everyone should be outraged that our marines behave this way. it's disgusting and speaks to a serious lack of discipline.
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Mr. Hat said that my opinion was this behavior was acceptable. I don't think it's acceptable. I think it's understandable and no big deal. The over-the-top adjectives people in this thread have used to describe these soldiers' actions are just that: over-the-top. It doesn't speak to a serious lack of discipline, in my opinion. It speaks to the consequences of teaching men and boys to kill without remorse. "Outraged?" "Disgusted?" As for me, I save use of those words for things much more egregious than this.
 
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