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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Viktyr Korimir said:
This is disgusting, and there should be appropriate disciplinary action. I can't imagine that there's anyone out there who has anything else to say on the matter.
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You would be wrong.

Pee'ing on the dead bodies of Taliban. **** COIN. The only bad thing that happened here was the movie got out to the public. This was just a passive release of stress. No harm don.
 
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Viktyr Korimir said:
This is disgusting, and there should be appropriate disciplinary action. I can't imagine that there's anyone out there who has anything else to say on the matter.
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Then you would imagine wrong....

While I don't think it was the smartest or most mature move in the world, I don't see all that much wrong with it. Those bodies represent the scum of the earth, and urinating on them is about the least of the things that I would not mind seeing done to them.
 
Jerry said:
You would be wrong.

Pee'ing on the dead bodies of Taliban. **** COIN. The only bad thing that happened here was the movie got out to the public.
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This is unbecoming of a marine or anyone else in uniform. I don't think they should be kicked out, but I definitely think nonjudicial punishment (Article 15 for the Army not sure what the Marines call it) should be done for these marines. It would be the same as if a marine was in uniform drunk and beligerant in public. He is still held accountable for his actions especially while in uniform.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
It may be disgusting, but hardly surprising, their action encapsulates in their limited way the entire sweep of American foreign policy.
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I'm sure that's what they were thinking while they were doing it.:roll: That you think it isn't surprising encapsulates in its limited way your thought of the American serviceman.
 
CriticalThought said:
When I played Halo, I teabagged my fallen enemies. It is the fact that I can relate the behavior of those soldiers to video games that has me so amused by it.
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Hatuey said:
Can I please remind you of this in the thread where you called killing somebody working on the Iranian nuclear bomb project "terrorism"?
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Swear to God...coffee out my nose.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I got a few thoughts on this, seeing as how I'm a Marine who was in Afghanistan with those guys (not serving in the same unit) and they are on the same base as I am.

A) Why film it? Dumb
B) There are very few people on this website that have actually been to combat. I have numerous times. While I never thought of doing something like this, the lives of your enemy can become very cheap to you. Especially after you see guys you have known and served with for 3-4 years blown to bits by the IED's these cowards put out. While I don't condone it, I can understand where it comes from. I've given less than satisfactory medical care to terrorists that just killed 2 and wounded 1 of my buddies.
C) These guys are snipers. So, the already low level of pity held by them for their enemy is magnified by the fact that they were probably watching these guys put an IED in and they got a close look at them. That is one of the main missions of snipers right now in Afghan. Deter IED emplacers. When you see a guy doing something like that, it infuriates you even further.

I don't condone the actions of these guys. However, I understand where it comes from. Take all of the political crap out of it. All the "we shouldn't be there in the first place" or "thats what we get for being the aggressive occupiers we are". That stuff doesn't matter to the grunt on the ground. All he knows is he's away from his family, his buddies have been killed, mauled, and maimed for 6 months (that's about how long they've been there) and you just don't care about this Taliban puke laying on the ground in front of you. To be honest, if I caught my guys doing this, I would chew them out and that would be the end of it. There would be no paperwork involved. 3rd Battalion 5th Marine Regiment took 45 KIA, 140 loss of eyesight or limb in 6 months in the Sangin River Valley. They deployed with 600 guys. Those are just the dead and traumatic injuries. I'm not counting the concussions and flesh wounds received. Think of that, 200 out of 600 guys that you will never see again, or who will never see you or be able to walk up and shake your hand again. Thats traumatic. I'm tearing up typing this. Marines are in the best shape of any service, bar none. Sure, some high level special ops guys are better, but we are the best out of the conventional forces. When you see guys around you, combat athletes, titans of physical fitness, great Americans, patriots, being helo'd off with out their legs and arms, you're damn right some piss on a terrorist isn't a big deal to us.
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I only want to hear what military memebers and especially Marines have to say.

I am a MARINE, status: Retired. .....different time, different war


"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion." — Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army


....'nuff said.
 
Crosscheck said:
Here's your statement "Cant help but wonder how many of those expressing outrage have worn the uniform and 'been there'." Sounds to me like you are saying that unless you have worn the uniform you can't comment on it.

How do I differ from you when I said that I don't expect everyone to serve in the military either. But I believe most American families have had at least one member in the military to know what it is like to have a loved one fighting in a war. You can stop with the crap about Clinton and Obama as they both have had family members served so can relate. A Romney has never served this country. Period.
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Sounds to me like you are hearing what you want to hear. I posed a direct question...how many that are outraged have served.

And you dont think thats just a REALLY stupid defense of your partisan hack stand? You dont hold democrats to a higher standard because somewhere someone in their family tree must have served???? Seriously???
 
CriticalThought said:
Morally superior? To people who have reduced themselves to pissing on dead people and joking about it? Clearly that is a perfectly healthy and respectable way of dealing with traumatic stress.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. War is not fought by civilians. Military people are not civilians with guns. There is training, lots of it and is starts in boot camp where civilians are "re-educated", "brainwashed", "transformed" "reprogrammed" - pick one - to think like soldiers. It is a process and a metamorphosis that is as genuine as the day is long. At some point during boot camp you no longer think like a civilian nor act like a civilian. It isn't a choice, you don't turn that on and off. You no longer are a civilian. Period. Your training prepares you for war and death.

War changes each individual beyond what most people can conceive, even if you have been trained to go to war. You quickly learn to become desensitized. You soon see what happens to people who can't handle it. Some go bat **** crazy. Some curl up in a fetal ball, I've seen that. It sickens you to see that crap. Some people want to kill everybody. No one is the civilian or even the stateside soldier they once were. People don't reduce themselves in war, war reduces people. THAT is something you clearly cannot fathom.

We don't know the situation in the video, we don't know what those grunts have been through up to the minute the video was made. We don't know, we weren't there. If you have been to war you see a lot **** no one would believe. Some you never talk about, some you don't talk about to family or friends, some you only talk about to other veterans, some you only talk about to people you served with, some you don't even want to think about.

Marineteapartier has the correct response in my opinion and that is to chew the asses off those involved and be done with it.

The last thing these people need is a gaggle of yammering clueless civilians ****ing with them. Let the military handle its own. People in the military walk the talk. They're doing what very few Americans are willing to do. So y'all shut the hell up.

If you feel too strongly to let it go then march your butt down to the recruiter and raise your hand to "Protect against all enemies foreign and domestic". Tell the recruiter you want to go to war soonest so you can straighten out the kind of crap some of you are whining about here. Stop complaining and do something for your country and if you are unwilling to make the massive sacrifices these people and their families make, be quiet.

I was USAF Security Police, different time, different war.
 
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VanceMack said:
Sounds to me like you are hearing what you want to hear. I posed a direct question...how many that are outraged have served.
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I have served in the Army. Outraged? No, but it does deserve at the very least nonjudicial punichment. Sorry, but anyone (whether it be a Marine, soldier, airman, etc.), is responsible for their own actions (especially in uniform) and there are sometimes negative consequences that happen because of those actions. Pissing on a dead body is not the actions becoming of a Marine or anyone in uniform.

I understand why they did it. Put in the same situation that they were just in, I might even be inclined to do it myself. However, I would not be overly suprised that because of that action I would receive at the very least nonjudicial punishment for it.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Let the military handle its own.
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People ARE letting the military handle it. I haven't seen any person suggesting that a civilian court handle it have you?

As for telling people to shut up just because they have an opinion, isn't exactly in the spirit of debate now is it? Free speech is free speech.
 
Risky Thicket said:
"God, mom and apple pie" or "Country, mom and apple pie" or variations thereof didn't start with me. It's been around for quite a while. Google it, and you will quickly discover that it was not intended sarcasm.
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I know it wasn't started by you. It would be super cool if you could actually READ what I'm saying instead of making things up to argue against. My point is that your entire post was an attempt to educate me in a condescending manner about something I'm already aware of presumably because I'm a civilian even though I said had already stated that the actions in the OP were understandable.

As to the action of the Marines, their mistake was in filming it. I can assure that 99.5% of their time in-country is NOT thinking about being representatives of the United States. For Christsakes, Marines are not deployed to be nice and make friends. Those bastards live like animals, get the ****tiest missions and are continually short supplied, with, more often than not, not the latest of weapons. They are expected to outfight and outlast every enemy they encounter and they almost always do, at great personal sacrifice. That is SOP for Marines. If they want to pee on dead people, go ahead on. If anyone has a problem with it it should only be other Marines.
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Again, you're just restating your experiences and trying to "educate" me after I've already stated that their actions are understandable. This just proves that instead of actually hearing what I'm saying, you're just blocking it out.

You're argument amounts to: "You just don't understand, so your opinion is invalid." The problem with this argument is that I actually have family members who are Marines (vets) who have agreed with my position in the past when talking about similar situations to these. So "not understanding" is clearly not the problem. The other problem, again, is that I've said about 5 times now that the actions are understandable because I am aware that Marines are not "deployed to be nice and make friends" even though you condescendingly repeat the same nonsense over and over again as if a civilians could not POSSIBLY have a valid disagreement with you while understanding that war is disgusting and dirty.

My best friend, 3/3, was chopped up like hamburger on Hill 881. Read some Marine history and tell us about standards of conduct.

Read some Marine history.
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Why don't you tell that to both my uncles who served as Marines and agree with me? Why don't you tell that to my father who served in the Army and agreed with me? As hard as you attempt to imply that my position is invalid because I'm not a Marine, you continually ignore the fact that Marines can and do make the same argument which pisses on your position.

Like I said, it's understandable. It's still disgusting and a poor representation of our country.
 
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VanceMack said:
Sounds to me like you are hearing what you want to hear. I posed a direct question...how many that are outraged have served.
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I don't think many, if any, people here are outraged...
 
TheNextEra said:
People ARE letting the military handle it. I haven't seen any person suggesting that a civilian court handle it have you?

As for telling people to shut up just because they have an opinion, isn't exactly in the spirit of debate now is it? Free speech is free speech.
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You are certainly entitled to voice your opinion...it should just be tempered by a little reality check. as in..."while I am expressing all this shock and outrage, what might I have done placed in their position" And then throw that **** right out the window, because until you have ACTUALLY been there you dont have the first clue.
 
VanceMack said:
You are certainly entitled to voice your opinion...it should just be tempered by a little reality check. as in..."while I am expressing all this shock and outrage, what might I have done placed in their position" And then throw that **** right out the window, because until you have ACTUALLY been there you dont have the first clue.
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Given your response to me, you must not have read my previous post on this. I said previously I wasn't outraged and I understood (and also might be inclined to do the same thing put in the situation they were just in), but they ARE responsible for their own actions regardless. Actions can sometimes have negative consequences associated with those actions.
 
Temporal said:
Yeah, and that's why soldiers don't set policy, their commanders and leaders do. If we let soldiers do whatever they wanted, they would piss on the whole world and tell them to like it. You don't insult an entire people by pissing on their corpses, especially when we are trying to positively incentivize their region to endorse our foreign policy and strategic infrastructure; and especially when our operations have already killed members of people's families.

Just how stupid can you get?
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They pissed on dead Taliban,who the hell cares if other Taliban get pissed off.The only people who would be insulted are Taliban and Taliban sympathizers.The Taliban and Taliban sympathizers don't give two ****s about our government and troops trying to win the hearts and minds of the people and most likely oppose us trying to win the hearts and minds of the people in that country. Whining over over some marines pissing on dead terrorists is ****en idiotic and even more idiotic than the marine who posted the video online.
 
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jamesrage said:
They pissed on dead Taliban,who the hell cares if they piss off other Taliban.
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actually there is a real downside, and that is inciting the opponent with motivation they otherwise would not have summoned but for your actions, to do you harm
 
jamesrage said:
They pissed on dead Taliban,who the hell cares if other Taliban get pissed off.The only people who would be insulted are Taliban and Taliban sympathizers.The Taliban and Taliban sympathizers don't give two ****s about our government and troops trying to win the hearts and minds of the people and most likely oppose us trying to win the hearts and minds of the people in that country. Whining over over some marines pissing on dead terrorists is ****en idiotic and even more idiotic than the marine who posted the video online.
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Ah yes, the ole "If you don't agree with me, you are a Taliban or Taliban sympathizer" fallacy.

I can understand how people can get outraged by this. They have a gleaming view of the military and the epxectations of those that serve and how they should act right or wrong. People don't want our military pissing on dead bodies. The military doesn't want it's members pissing on dead bodies. That doesn't make anyone a Taliban or Taliban sympathizer just because they don't like what these marines did.

I personally am not outraged by this, but the people that did it should not be suprised in the least if they are handed nonjudicial punishment because of this incident.
 
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jamesrage said:
They pissed on dead Taliban,who the hell cares if other Taliban get pissed off.The only people who would be insulted are Taliban and Taliban sympathizers..
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or anybody who thinks we need to show we are better than these subhumans, and so shouldn't sink to the things own level.
 
justabubba said:
actually there is a real downside, and that is inciting the opponent with motivation they otherwise would not have summoned but for your actions, to do you harm
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So killing their buddies wouldn't motivate them?
 
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justabubba said:
actually there is a real downside, and that is inciting the opponent with motivation they otherwise would not have summoned but for your actions, to do you harm
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They need more than this?? I don't think so.

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Hatuey said:
When somebody is caught being a blatant hypocrite, one tends to react violently.
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Get off my ass, Hatuey. You do this every once in a while, and it's growing tiresome.
 
Gardener said:
or anybody who thinks we need to show we are better than these subhumans, and so shouldn't sink to the things own level.
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justabubba said:
actually there is a real downside, and that is inciting the opponent with motivation they otherwise would not have summoned but for your actions, to do you harm
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The Taliban have done way much worse than piss on someone.If the only thing the Taliban did was piss on someone then I do not think our troops would still be in Afghanistan,heck I do not think our troops would have been sent to Afghanistan in the first place if all the Taliban did was just piss on people.
 
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