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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Because I believe people should be tried by a jury of their peers. I suspect their judgement might be just as harsh. I realize that you might prefer the trial to be held in San Francisco and judgement rendered by a jury composed of Code Pink members. I don't.

Uh...what? Seriously, what region of your ass did you pull that out of? Simply because I don't understand your reasoning for wanting the court martial board to be made up of soldiers who have seen combat (and therefore will be more sympathetic) doesn't automatically mean that I fall into your completely failure of a stereotype about liberals. Nice try, though. Maybe next you can make up something about how I watch Keith Olbermann in the nude or am posting from my mobile device while I'm in some park during yet another OWS protest. Wait, why am I giving you ideas? I'm sure you have plenty of your own.
 
The correct response should be "Yes, but the military should hand down the punishment, not some bureaucrat in DC." It should have nothing to do with who makes up the board. That's like saying that a person on trial for murdering his cheating spouse should have a jury made up of those who have also had their spouse's cheat on them. The military doesn't work that way. I would hope that those pissing on the corpses get punished. While I understand why they did it, it doesn't make it right that they did it.

Your analogy is faulty. Again, maybe your comment is directed at somebody else, but I have not defended what they did, nor do I think it is defensable. What I find amazing is the number of people who think that this is something new and different in warfare. Too many sanitzed Hollywood war movies, I guess.
 
Morally superior? To people who have reduced themselves to pissing on dead people and joking about it? Clearly that is a perfectly healthy and respectable way of dealing with traumatic stress.

I didn't say morally superior. I said morally outraged. And admit it, it feels kind of good to be morally outraged now and again, doesn't it? Especially when you don't much like soldiers to begin with and don't respect the job they do.
 
Your analogy is faulty. Again, maybe your comment is directed at somebody else, but I have not defended what they did, nor do I think it is defensable. What I find amazing is the number of people who think that this is something new and different in warfare. Too many sanitzed Hollywood war movies, I guess.

Nowhere did I imply that this is new or that worse things haven't happened. I think that the behavior is disgusting and that the soldiers responsible should be punished for what they did. I also am disgusted by the macho posturing that is going on. I also don't base any of my views on movies, especially Hollywood ones. You are defending them because you have wish that special provisions be made to the court martial board so that their case will be viewed with more sympathy.
 
Uh...what? Seriously, what region of your ass did you pull that out of? Simply because I don't understand your reasoning for wanting the court martial board to be made up of soldiers who have seen combat (and therefore will be more sympathetic) doesn't automatically mean that I fall into your completely failure of a stereotype about liberals. Nice try, though. Maybe next you can make up something about how I watch Keith Olbermann in the nude or am posting from my mobile device while I'm in some park during yet another OWS protest. Wait, why am I giving you ideas? I'm sure you have plenty of your own.

This just in - court marital boards are made up of soldiers. As I said, I realize you might prefer a jury of Jane Fondas, but that probably won't happen.
 
Nowhere did I imply that this is new or that worse things haven't happened. I think that the behavior is disgusting and that the soldiers responsible should be punished for what they did. I also am disgusted by the macho posturing that is going on. I also don't base any of my views on movies, especially Hollywood ones. You are defending them because you have wish that special provisions be made to the court martial board so that their case will be viewed with more sympathy.

And you're a left wing hippy who would just as soon spit on a soldier as look at him. See, I know as much about you as you do about me.

And no, I expect they may be judged more harshly by those who have actually seen combat. But I don't expect you to believe that.
 
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This just in - court marital boards are made up of soldiers. As I said, I realize you might prefer a jury of Jane Fondas, but that probably won't happen.

Wow, get over yourself. Making up bull**** stereotypes about me does absolutely nothing for your argument.
 
And you're a left wing hippy who would just as soon spit on a soldier as look at him. See, I know as much about you as you do about me.

You know absolutely nothing about me or my politics. Show me where I presumed to know as much about you as you are claiming to know about me?
 
I didn't say morally superior. I said morally outraged. And admit it, it feels kind of good to be morally outraged now and again, doesn't it? Especially when you don't much like soldiers to begin with and don't respect the job they do.

No where in this thread did DrP say that. You are jumping to invalid conclusions here.
 
I didn't say morally superior. I said morally outraged. And admit it, it feels kind of good to be morally outraged now and again, doesn't it? Especially when you don't much like soldiers to begin with and don't respect the job they do.

I had a grandfather and an uncle who served. I can't say that either of them would approve of soldiers pissing on dead bodies.

I'm pretty amoral. I'm approaching this more from a position of intelligence. Videotaping yourself pissing on a fallen enemy, which could in no way improve America's image in the world and is a slap in the face to your fellow servicemen, would probably not be considered particularly intelligent.
 
Im sure everyone realizes...This...ISNT...SPARTA!!! These folks werent raised from birth to be soldiers...they are your cousin...your brother...your neighbor. And sometimes...they make STUPID decisions...professional training aside. The military will deal with them appropriately. Frankly...those expressing the outrage...please...by all means...Jump right to the front of the line. Lets see how you respond to the real world where you dont get to re-spawn and start the war scenario over from your last saved scene and the blood of your buddy isnt digital..
 
Im sure everyone realizes...This...ISNT...SPARTA!!! These folks werent raised from birth to be soldiers...they are your cousin...your brother...your neighbor. And sometimes...they make STUPID decisions...professional training aside. The military will deal with them appropriately. Frankly...those expressing the outrage...please...by all means...Jump right to the front of the line. Lets see how you respond to the real world where you dont get to re-spawn and start the war scenario over from your last saved scene and the blood of your buddy isnt digital..

Exactly what constitutes "expressing outrage"? It seems I am expressing outrage but I am not entirely sure how I am doing it.
 
Exactly what constitutes "expressing outrage"? It seems I am expressing outrage but I am not entirely sure how I am doing it.
Are you expressing outrage? If so...this applies...if not...not. If you just cant fathom how someone could possibly do something like this...put yourself...or your buddies in the actual situation and not the PS3 version.
 
Are you expressing outrage? If so...this applies...if not...not. If you just cant fathom how someone could possibly do something like this...put yourself...or your buddies in the actual situation and not the PS3 version.

When I played Halo, I teabagged my fallen enemies. It is the fact that I can relate the behavior of those soldiers to video games that has me so amused by it.
 
Many here think pissing on a dead body is soooooo horrible. Give me a break. Get off your high horses and get down in the trenches with the soldiers. It's been too long and we are too far removed from the realities of war.

Can I please remind you of this in the thread where you called killing somebody working on the Iranian nuclear bomb project "terrorism"?
 
So what? They were Taliban. I'm sure they deserved it.

UCMJ article 134

Article 134. General article:
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

That's the "so what" about it.
 
Can't really get horribly worked up about it.

That said, its against the marine code, and I think the bigger issue to be honest is having it recorded rathre than just doing it. Three guys randomly doing something like that...it ends there. No big whoop. When you record it you open up the possability of it being brought to public and it sullies the name of the Marines.

I don't find it stomach churningly disgusting as the melodramatic person in the OP stated. Part of the way these guys, and most everyone before them in wars, survive through these things is through a slight dehumanizing of the enemies in their mind. As such, it wouldn't shock me that people would do this. I'm not saying appropriate action shouldn't be taken...it absolutely should. I'm just not all that "outraged" about it.
 
Cant help but wonder how many of those expressing outrage have worn the uniform and 'been there'.

Stupid...yes. Both in the doing and more importantly, recording it.

These guys were morons and have set themselves up for major punishment by their superiors. I have worn the uniform and I know stuff happens but to grandstand it would be retarded.
Nonetheless outrage is appropriate at that stupidity of it all.

But ironic I in another thread bring up the fact that not one Romney has ever worn the uniform and you called me a hack. I guess in this case one must need to wear the uniform to appropriately be outraged.
Do you think any of the Romney men could even relate to this, well alone send someone's son to war?
 
When I played Halo, I teabagged my fallen enemies. It is the fact that I can relate the behavior of those soldiers to video games that has me so amused by it.

Strangely, this is one of the first things I thought of. This kind of juvenile defiling of the dead is fairly common in a virtual world, and with the way some have to dehumanize the enemy to be able to mentally get past the notions of war, this happening occasionally with young men in the real world doesn't shock me or turn my stomach. There's a difference between "excusing it" or stating that its "okay", and stating that it doens't surprise you and you can understand how it could come to be.

As I said, I have a bigger issue and annoyance and perhaps "outrage" over the stupidity of going to the length of providing any kind of visual evidence of it. A one off thing like htis is unlikely to damage the reputation of the marines nor the mission in any even minor way. Doesn't make it right, but that's the truth of it. By being dumb enough to put it down on film they were taking risks that negatively affect not just them but those serving with them. That bothers me more so than some 20 somethings, marine or not, acting in a juvenile fashion.
 
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These guys were morons and have set themselves up for major punishment by their superiors. I have worn the uniform and I know stuff happens but to grandstand it would be retarded.
Nonetheless outrage is appropriate at that stupidity of it all.

But ironic I in another thread bring up the fact that not one Romney has ever worn the uniform and you called me a hack. I guess in this case one must need to wear the uniform to appropriately be outraged.
Do you think any of the Romney men could even relate to this, well alone send someone's son to war?
You are a partisan hack because you are selective in your disgust of people who dont serve. Tell me...in that thread you cite...did you first express your disgust with Obama? Or Clinton? No...of course not. When you bring it up here, do you similarly wonder how the current commander in chief can 'relate'?

As for this issue...I dont expect everyone to serve in the military. I DO expect everyone to do their job as a citizen. I dont expect this story not to bother people...but I DO expect people to at least attempt to put themselves in their position before they rush to judgement of others.
 
You are a partisan hack because you are selective in your disgust of people who dont serve. Tell me...in that thread you cite...did you first express your disgust with Obama? Or Clinton? No...of course not. When you bring it up here, do you similarly wonder how the current commander in chief can 'relate'?

As for this issue...I dont expect everyone to serve in the military. I DO expect everyone to do their job as a citizen. I dont expect this story not to bother people...but I DO expect people to at least attempt to put themselves in their position before they rush to judgement of others.

Here's your statement "Cant help but wonder how many of those expressing outrage have worn the uniform and 'been there'." Sounds to me like you are saying that unless you have worn the uniform you can't comment on it.

How do I differ from you when I said that I don't expect everyone to serve in the military either. But I believe most American families have had at least one member in the military to know what it is like to have a loved one fighting in a war. You can stop with the crap about Clinton and Obama as they both have had family members served so can relate. A Romney has never served this country. Period.
 
Nobody applauds or condones it? Have you even read some of the replies in this thread? What is the point of having a code of honor if this type of behavior is "understandable"? **** it, why have any rules at all? Let's just be careless chaotic assholes and **** everything up!!

What code of honor? How about providing us a copy? I never saw one during my enlistment.
 
It may be disgusting, but hardly surprising, their action encapsulates in their limited way the entire sweep of American foreign policy.
 
Poor excuse. Tens of thousands of our soldiers have experienced similar or worse stress and terror than what these men experienced. Most do not piss on corpses.

How do you know any of what you just said is fact? What is fact is that most military men and women don't video themselves doing things that the lily white, flag waving, yellow magnet Americans can't stomach seeing. That is the only fact.
 
A Marine vet buddy of mine told me that they used to cut off the genitals and sew them to the lips of the enemy soldiers. This was done preferably to an enemy soldier that was still alive. Then they would disembowel them and stretch their intestines out to their full length (30 ft) in front of them.

This practice was done by both sides and my friend said that he didn't know which side started it, but it was sad to come across one of your own, still alive in this predicament. Scorsese put a scene about this in one of his Nam Vet movies.

Pissing on the dead pales in comparison.
 
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