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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

See more and video @: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan (GRAPHIC VIDEO)Well this certainly will not help our cause. These soldiers need to be brought to justice ASAP. This makes my stomach just numb...

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Well perchance the worst thing is the killings and not the peeing. I suppose there should be disciplinary procedures; you cannot have soldiers not obeying the rules and not acting in accordance to the military. Still, peeing on dead bodies is probably the least of the concerns here.
 
Representing the United States has NOTHING to do with it. You go to war. You discover it is nothing like you thought it would be. You discover that your enemy does not conform to the rules of engagement you were told were required of Americans. Imagine that, especially in an asymmetric war! You discover people you know die because rules were followed. The only standard of conduct you know is one that exists for civilians. You do whatever you can to survive and protect your mates (better term than friends). It's you and them against the world. In war, "God, mom and apple pie" is bull****. It's down to less than you and 100 people, "standard of conduct" left your thinking by the second week you were in-country.
Like I said earlier, I'm not arguing that their actions aren't understandable. I know some vets think non-military people are idiots who believe that war is what it looks like in the movies. I'm not one of those people, so you can save the preaching and sarcasm for them as my argument is not based on that premise.

Their actions are understandable as I said, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to support them, refrain from speaking about them negatively or stop believing that those who are, in fact, representing an entire country should have a code of conduct. In fact, I'm willing to stand by my argument, in part, so strongly because I know that it's supported by vets that I know personally - people who have been there.

Somehow, a crap ton of vets have made it without pissing on corpses, so clearly I'm not arguing for too much.
 
This sums it all:

CAIR Condemns Alleged Desecration of Bodies by U.S. Marines



CAIR Condemns Alleged Desecration of Bodies by U.S. Marines - MarketWatch

And we should give a damn what CAIR says? **** em and feed em fish heads. In past wars our troops made ear necklaces, scalped the enemy, hung the corpse of a korean thief from the front gate of a compound to discourage thievery. If our Marines are only pissing on the corpses of the enemy to blow off steam I don't see a problem at all.
 
U.S. soldiers caught with their pants down again, except this time literally. Always a class act.

It's sad that it takes a few bad apples to discredit the rest. I hope these marines are disciplined, and the fact that it was videotaped shows just how stupid they are.
 
I hope these idiots are happy. I don't care whether they or you think the Taliban "deserved it" or not, these soldiers' immature actions have jeopardized the safety of Americans all across the globe. I have no doubt the stress of US military duty in the middle east f***s with soldiers' judgment, so to that extent I am trying to temper my anger at the irresponsibility here. But they POSTED the video. That goes beyond a momentary lapse of judgment. The US needs to make a strong example out of these soldiers, IMO.
 
I hope these idiots are happy. I don't care whether they or you think the Taliban "deserved it" or not, these soldiers' immature actions have jeopardized the safety of Americans all across the globe. I have no doubt the stress of US military duty in the middle east f***s with soldiers' judgment, so to that extent I am trying to temper my anger at the irresponsibility here. But they POSTED the video. That goes beyond a momentary lapse of judgment. The US needs to make a strong example out of these soldiers, IMO.

They have not been identified. May never be identified. And as for these actions jeopardizing the safety of Americans across the globe all I can say to that is FTW. When I was a soldier we used to say FTW. in other words be damned what the rest of the world thinks.
 
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See more and video @: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan (GRAPHIC VIDEO)Well this certainly will not help our cause. These soldiers need to be brought to justice ASAP. This makes my stomach just numb...

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Poor judgment, yes. Against "the rules?" I guess so. But I'm having a hard time getting all worked up over it. A dead body is a dead body. This isn't atrocious behavior; far from it. We try to sanitize war by having stupid rules of engagement...as if there really are any. I have sympathy for these guys; undoubtedly their careers are over at the very least. But I have complete distain for the idiot who posted that video on YouTube. I hope he pays the very same price.
 
They have not been identified. May never be identified. And as for these actions jeopardizing the safty of Americans across the globe all I can say to that is FTW. When I was a soldier we used to say FTW. in other words be damned what the rest of the world thinks.

Yeah, and that's why soldiers don't set policy, their commanders and leaders do. If we let soldiers do whatever they wanted, they would piss on the whole world and tell them to like it. You don't insult an entire people by pissing on their corpses, especially when we are trying to positively incentivize their region to endorse our foreign policy and strategic infrastructure; and especially when our operations have already killed members of people's families.

Just how stupid can you get?
 
Like I said earlier, I'm not arguing that their actions aren't understandable. I know some vets think non-military people are idiots who believe that war is what it looks like in the movies. I'm not one of those people, so you can save the preaching and sarcasm for them as my argument is not based on that premise.

Their actions are understandable as I said, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to support them, refrain from speaking about them negatively or stop believing that those who are, in fact, representing an entire country should have a code of conduct. In fact, I'm willing to stand by my argument, in part, so strongly because I know that it's supported by vets that I know personally - people who have been there.

Somehow, a crap ton of vets have made it without pissing on corpses, so clearly I'm not arguing for too much.

I never said civilians were idiots. What I do know is before you ship over - even after all the training and all the schools you might go to and all the guys you talk to who have been there and rotated back - it is nothing like you thought it would be. When your young ass is trained by the best and motivated and you arrive in-country and discover nothing could prepare you for the mind **** you are about to experience, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY anyone else can have a damn clue what it is like, no way. By the time you rotate home you are one jaded sumbitch. My guess is that it takes maybe 90 days to begin to re-acclimate stateside. Then it takes a while.

I was not a Marine but I know that Jarheads have a war experience beyond anything people can conceive. If those guys want to pee on dead guys they shouldn't film it. That is their sin. How much of the same or similar goes on? How much of it was videoed? How much real war do you see on the news every night? Next to none. We should be paying attention to manning the country and let those line dogs fight the war.
 
Yeah, and that's why soldiers don't set policy, their commanders and leaders do. If we let soldiers do whatever they wanted, they would piss on the whole world and tell them to like it. You don't insult an entire people by pissing on their corpses, especially when we are trying to positively incentivize their region to endorse our foreign policy and strategic infrastructure; and especially when our operations have already killed members of people's families.

Just how stupid can you get?

If we let soldiers do what they wanted, they'd be home with their families. Who are we kidding? This "atrocity" is nothing. It's guys blowing off some steam who are asked to be killing machines...who've watched their buddies' arms and legs get blown off by some invisible enemy...who must make split second decisions on who's the enemy and who's not. Guess wrong? You're dead. And so are the three guys near you.

I'm really amazed that so many posters find this "fill-in-your-adjective." It was harmless. Get it? Dead bodies. Harmless.
 
U.S. soldiers caught with their pants down again, except this time literally. Always a class act.

It's sad that it takes a few bad apples to discredit the rest. I hope these marines are disciplined, and the fact that it was videotaped shows just how stupid they are.

Define bad apple and then tell us how you know they were "a few". You can't and you don't. That is the point.
 
If we let soldiers do what they wanted, they'd be home with their families. Who are we kidding? This "atrocity" is nothing. It's guys blowing off some steam who are asked to be killing machines...who've watched their buddies' arms and legs get blown off by some invisible enemy...who must make split second decisions on who's the enemy and who's not. Guess wrong? You're dead. And so are the three guys near you.

All of which has nothing to do with filming a distasteful act. The presence of the U.S. in Afghanistan is an information campaign just as much as it is a fighting based one. If you are so naive that you think this is "harmless" then you obviously know nothing about foreign policy. You don't win over the hearts and minds of a foreign culture by comitting acts like this. I can see why you might not think it's that big of a deal, but it's not about you. It's about the success level of our operations and maintaining that.

I'm really amazed that so many posters find this "fill-in-your-adjective." It was harmless. Get it? Dead bodies. Harmless.

I'm really amazed at how some posters can be so cavalier. The same people showed up to excuse the wikileaks footage of helicopter fighters shooting down innocent civilians. They were just soldiers who were blowing off steam too, I guess. :shrug:
 
Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil -- for I am the meanist mother-****er on planet earth.

That was the chant of Marines in Viet Nam (or something close). That war wasn't sanitized. This one is!! It had rules of engagement, too. It was double ugly; and we heard all about it....if not from the news, then from our soldiers as they cried themselves to sleep after they got home.

Many here think pissing on a dead body is soooooo horrible. Give me a break. Get off your high horses and get down in the trenches with the soldiers. It's been too long and we are too far removed from the realities of war.

Have one family friend who was a gunner on a rescue helicopter. He was sent in to rescue trapped soldiers who were hoping and praying help would come because they were hopelessly outnumbered and surrounded. Holding their breath...hiding in the jungle...waiting for that wop-wop-wop that might mean they'd make it out alive. Many times, they saved them. Sometimes, they'd land and find U.S. soldiers' bodies in pieces strewn up against barbed wire walls...their heads cut off and their penises cut off and stuffed in their mouths.

Another friend watched as six of his buddies were blown to pieces before his eyes as a little boy came up to them...and exploded. Guess what they did to the next little boys who came out of nowhere??

Pissing on dead bodies. OMFG. Give me a break. What an absolute shame that someone was foolish enough to post it on YouTube. As another poster here said, "That was their sin."
 
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I got a few thoughts on this, seeing as how I'm a Marine who was in Afghanistan with those guys (not serving in the same unit) and they are on the same base as I am.

A) Why film it? Dumb
B) There are very few people on this website that have actually been to combat. I have numerous times. While I never thought of doing something like this, the lives of your enemy can become very cheap to you. Especially after you see guys you have known and served with for 3-4 years blown to bits by the IED's these cowards put out. While I don't condone it, I can understand where it comes from. I've given less than satisfactory medical care to terrorists that just killed 2 and wounded 1 of my buddies.
C) These guys are snipers. So, the already low level of pity held by them for their enemy is magnified by the fact that they were probably watching these guys put an IED in and they got a close look at them. That is one of the main missions of snipers right now in Afghan. Deter IED emplacers. When you see a guy doing something like that, it infuriates you even further.

I don't condone the actions of these guys. However, I understand where it comes from. Take all of the political crap out of it. All the "we shouldn't be there in the first place" or "thats what we get for being the aggressive occupiers we are". That stuff doesn't matter to the grunt on the ground. All he knows is he's away from his family, his buddies have been killed, mauled, and maimed for 6 months (that's about how long they've been there) and you just don't care about this Taliban puke laying on the ground in front of you. To be honest, if I caught my guys doing this, I would chew them out and that would be the end of it. There would be no paperwork involved. 3rd Battalion 5th Marine Regiment took 45 KIA, 140 loss of eyesight or limb in 6 months in the Sangin River Valley. They deployed with 600 guys. Those are just the dead and traumatic injuries. I'm not counting the concussions and flesh wounds received. Think of that, 200 out of 600 guys that you will never see again, or who will never see you or be able to walk up and shake your hand again. Thats traumatic. I'm tearing up typing this. Marines are in the best shape of any service, bar none. Sure, some high level special ops guys are better, but we are the best out of the conventional forces. When you see guys around you, combat athletes, titans of physical fitness, great Americans, patriots, being helo'd off with out their legs and arms, you're damn right some piss on a terrorist isn't a big deal to us.
 
I never said civilians were idiots.
I never said you did. But when you go on a tirade that aims to educate me on what war is really like and throw in little sarcastic remarks about "apple pie" and other nonsense, you're treating me like an idiot. So like I said, you can save your preaching and sarcasm for someone who actually believes what you assume I do.

What I do know is before you ship over - even after all the training and all the schools you might go to and all the guys you talk to who have been there and rotated back - it is nothing like you thought it would be. When your young ass is trained by the best and motivated and you arrive in-country and discover nothing could prepare you for the mind **** you are about to experience, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY anyone else can have a damn clue what it is like, no way. By the time you rotate home you are one jaded sumbitch. My guess is that it takes maybe 90 days to begin to re-acclimate stateside. Then it takes a while.
I don't doubt this which is why I've said, several times now, that their actions are understandable.

I was not a Marine but I know that Jarheads have a war experience beyond anything people can conceive. If those guys want to pee on dead guys they shouldn't film it. That is their sin. How much of the same or similar goes on? How much of it was videoed? How much real war do you see on the news every night? Next to none. We should be paying attention to manning the country and let those line dogs fight the war.
I'm sure a lot of this goes on and I know that we don't see hardly any, if any, 'real war' on the news. And sure, we should be paying attention to manning the country and letting soldiers get the job done. But this thread is about soldiers who chose to piss on corpse and then chose to film it, so my attention is naturally on the topic at hand. Their actions were arrogant, a poor representation of the United States, potentially something that could exacerbate tensions in the region and something that a lot of soldiers seem to be able to avoid doing in spite of going through the same stuff.
 
I got a few thoughts on this, seeing as how I'm a Marine who was in Afghanistan with those guys (not serving in the same unit) and they are on the same base as I am.

A) Why film it? Dumb
B) There are very few people on this website that have actually been to combat. I have numerous times. While I never thought of doing something like this, the lives of your enemy can become very cheap to you. Especially after you see guys you have known and served with for 3-4 years blown to bits by the IED's these cowards put out. While I don't condone it, I can understand where it comes from. I've given less than satisfactory medical care to terrorists that just killed 2 and wounded 1 of my buddies.
C) These guys are snipers. So, the already low level of pity held by them for their enemy is magnified by the fact that they were probably watching these guys put an IED in and they got a close look at them. That is one of the main missions of snipers right now in Afghan. Deter IED emplacers. When you see a guy doing something like that, it infuriates you even further.

I don't condone the actions of these guys. However, I understand where it comes from. Take all of the political crap out of it. All the "we shouldn't be there in the first place" or "thats what we get for being the aggressive occupiers we are". That stuff doesn't matter to the grunt on the ground. All he knows is he's away from his family, his buddies have been killed, mauled, and maimed for 6 months (that's about how long they've been there) and you just don't care about this Taliban puke laying on the ground in front of you. To be honest, if I caught my guys doing this, I would chew them out and that would be the end of it. There would be no paperwork involved. 3rd Battalion 5th Marine Regiment took 45 KIA, 140 loss of eyesight or limb in 6 months in the Sangin River Valley. They deployed with 600 guys. Those are just the dead and traumatic injuries. I'm not counting the concussions and flesh wounds received. Think of that, 200 out of 600 guys that you will never see again, or who will never see you or be able to walk up and shake your hand again. Thats traumatic. I'm tearing up typing this. Marines are in the best shape of any service, bar none. Sure, some high level special ops guys are better, but we are the best out of the conventional forces. When you see guys around you, combat athletes, titans of physical fitness, great Americans, patriots, being helo'd off with out their legs and arms, you're damn right some piss on a terrorist isn't a big deal to us.

Great post. And that's what I thought, too. If someone had seen them, they'd'a gotten chewed out and that would've been it. Dumbass who posted it. Hope he's pleased with himself as he destroys the careers of his buds. I'm sorry you know them. I was hoping they wouldn't be able to be identified...
 
Great post. And that's what I thought, too. If someone had seen them, they'd'a gotten chewed out and that would've been it. Dumbass who posted it. Hope he's pleased with himself as he destroys the careers of his buds. I'm sorry you know them. I was hoping they wouldn't be able to be identified...
Oh no, I don't know them. I can't tell who they are:mrgreen:
 
Yeah, and that's why soldiers don't set policy, their commanders and leaders do. If we let soldiers do whatever they wanted, they would piss on the whole world and tell them to like it. You don't insult an entire people by pissing on their corpses, especially when we are trying to positively incentivize their region to endorse our foreign policy and strategic infrastructure; and especially when our operations have already killed members of people's families.

Just how stupid can you get?

OK, you blow their infrastructure to hell, you destroy the workplaces for many, you destroy homes, you mistakenly wound or kill their family and friends, you treat men and women of authority with great disrespect and hold them at gunpoint, you screw their women when you can, you invade their homes and schools. Your are a "representative of America?"

They or people who look like them or live with them or live near them wound or kill your friends, refuse to give you information (often because they are scared ****less of the Taliban and they know that one day Americans will leave, but the Taliban will not), women can't be trusted, children can't be trusted and nothing can be taken for granted. A small metal box near a house or a path is taken as a serious threat (and turns out to be a small tool box), a rattle that shouldn't rattle in a vehicle, someone who is friendly, people in the wrong place, people in the right place, cars, trucks, two people on a motorcycle, someone carrying a backpack and on and on have all proven at one time to be lethal to you, everyday, all day. Sheeit!

The ones who give the orders are not the ones who die.

Policy comes from Washington. Don't kid yourself. How many Bush policy makers had been to war? How about Obama? Don't think for a second they don't **** with field troops. They do. At times Americans die as a result.

There are many great books that explain the idiocy of command. A recent classic, phenomenal read, is Matterhorn. I cannot recommend that book highly enough. My all time favorite is About Face by Col. David Hackworth. If you really want to know then read either of those two books. Also, concerning asymmetric warfare tactics read Vietnam Primer by Col. Hackworth and S.L.A. Marshall. An unbelievable book detailed lessons ignored by SECDEF Rumsfeld and the Bush W. Administration. Those same lesson apply today.

After a while you lose faith in Washington and the command structure unless you have a hell of a leader or three in your direct command. Often the leaders you trust the most are ones next to you who have proved themselves. The rest of it is bull****. In case you forget that, some completely dumbass directive will come down that blows your mind. It never fails.
 
All of which has nothing to do with filming a distasteful act. The presence of the U.S. in Afghanistan is an information campaign just as much as it is a fighting based one. If you are so naive that you think this is "harmless" then you obviously know nothing about foreign policy. You don't win over the hearts and minds of a foreign culture by comitting acts like this. I can see why you might not think it's that big of a deal, but it's not about you. It's about the success level of our operations and maintaining that.
Hate to tell you this bro, but I will. WE AREN'T GOING TO WIN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS. They don't want it. Me and guys like Sgt Rock are left to fight over there until someone figures that out though. These politicians don't want to change their approach, so they should bring us back. I know I'm tired of going into the meat grinder over and over just so Obama can have his "honorable withdrawal". If we're aren't going to go balls to the wall, we need to leave. Even Dubya understood that when he doubled down in '07 with the surge in Iraq. I was a part of that too and I'm proud of my service in Iraq. I felt like I was fighting for something. In Afghanistan? No way. We should take a piss on the whole country and just leave.



I'm really amazed at how some posters can be so cavalier. The same people showed up to excuse the wikileaks footage of helicopter fighters shooting down innocent civilians. They were just soldiers who were blowing off steam too, I guess. :shrug:
I was in Iraq when that reporter got mowed down. Who, in their right mind, leaves the unit they are assigned to and decides to go galavanting around with the enemy? That guy apparently. I'm not going to say he got what was coming because that's over the top, but, it was his irresponsibility that led to it. On another subject, all of you people on here that think Obama's military cuts are good, remember that story. It will happen a lot more with us depending on technology instead of boots on the ground. There was no observer for that helicopter that shot those men.
 
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