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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Perhaps the debate about which is the worse offense to humanity
a- murder of ones fellow man
b- peeing on ones fellow man

should be held halfway down the rabbit hole on the way to Wonderland?

If you want to prattle on the inherent evil of war, go start a thread. If you have trouble discussing the subject of this one, think of it like this -- it's exactly the same as digging up the corpse of a sworn enemy who you didn't kill and peeing on it.
 
If you want to prattle on the inherent evil of war, go start a thread. If you have trouble discussing the subject of this one, think of it like this -- it's exactly the same as digging up the corpse of a sworn enemy who you didn't kill and peeing on it.

actually, that is not the same

first, they had to dig up no corpse
second, the corpses they pissed on were enemy bastards they themselves killed
 
actually, that is not the same

first, they had to dig up no corpse
second, the corpses they pissed on were enemy bastards they themselves killed

It is exactly the same, because in both situations you're desecrating a human corpse, and desecrating a human corpse is a disgusting thing to do.
 
I think this is a disrespectful act but I don't believe that they should be punished (at least not heavily) for peeing on the soldiers (posting a video is the inappropriate part IMAO).

I have to agree with bubba and haymarket here. You can go into your enemy's country, turn them into Swiss cheese, bomb their civilians, but heaven forbid you pee on the dead bodies of their soldiers.
 
It is exactly the same, because in both situations you're desecrating a human corpse, and desecrating a human corpse is a disgusting thing to do.

would prefer they wrap the corpses in a hog carcass and bury them
to instill fear in the enemy
 
This bull****! War is disgusting. What do people think it takes to go to war? Actually I know the answer to that. Most Americans would be completely horrified if they knew what war was really like. A lot of people do not understand, have no idea, how you either adapt and become warrior or you lose it and lose yourself. They ain't no kumbaya moments at the end of the day or night.
 
You ask these guys to be killers for you so dont get upset when they cross the line occasionally..
 
I thought the whole point of having a code of honor and being one of the few and the proud was that you're above this sort of thing.

Oh, well. Used to be that Americans were all about being the best, but I guess the new paradigm is that we're settling for not being as bad as "that guy over there."

All that is recruiting and flag waving bull**** for back home. Really.
 
actually, that is not the same

first, they had to dig up no corpse
second, the corpses they pissed on were enemy bastards they themselves killed

It could very well be that the corpses farted on Marines at some point.
 
I think this is a disrespectful act but I don't believe that they should be punished (at least not heavily) for peeing on the soldiers (posting a video is the inappropriate part IMAO).

I have to agree with bubba and haymarket here. You can go into your enemy's country, turn them into Swiss cheese, bomb their civilians, but heaven forbid you pee on the dead bodies of their soldiers.
Except you are forgetting one key piece of information. Stunts like these will increase animosity and jeopardize lives. While soldiers may not care about desecrating the deceased, they should at least care about their fellow soldier. Unfortunately, their actions say otherwise. They could care less about increasing animosity and threat for their fellow soldier and practice reservation when it comes to events like this.

It makes one wonder what they are exactly doing serving in the armed forces if they don't care about one another.
 
Except you are forgetting one key piece of information. Stunts like these will increase animosity and jeopardize lives. While soldiers may not care about desecrating the deceased, they should at least care about their fellow soldier. Unfortunately, their actions say otherwise. They could care less about increasing animosity and threat for their fellow soldier and practice reservation when it comes to events like this.

It makes one wonder what they are exactly doing serving in the armed forces if they don't care about one another.

And your opinion is based on?
 
It is exactly the same, because in both situations you're desecrating a human corpse, and desecrating a human corpse is a disgusting thing to do.

I disagree, desecrating the corpse of a subhuman islamist piece of excrement is not disgusting. Its victorious. Better to mark their forheads with a cross of swines blood.
 
Cant help but wonder how many of those expressing outrage have worn the uniform and 'been there'.

Stupid...yes. Both in the doing and more importantly, recording it.
 
This bull****! War is disgusting. What do people think it takes to go to war? Actually I know the answer to that. Most Americans would be completely horrified if they knew what war was really like. A lot of people do not understand, have no idea, how you either adapt and become warrior or you lose it and lose yourself. They ain't no kumbaya moments at the end of the day or night.

They were morons for video taping this.
Yes, they will be punished by their superiors if they can be identified.

There is stuff that goes on as Risky Thicket says but as the saying goes, What happens in a warzone stays in a warzone.
 
Cant help but wonder how many of those expressing outrage have worn the uniform and 'been there'.

Stupid...yes. Both in the doing and more importantly, recording it.

I agree it was stupid to video this. I do not condemn them for pissing on the corpses of the kind of scum who blow up schools full of school girls. Sorry, no sympathy for the Taliban.
 
This bull****! War is disgusting. What do people think it takes to go to war? Actually I know the answer to that. Most Americans would be completely horrified if they knew what war was really like. A lot of people do not understand, have no idea, how you either adapt and become warrior or you lose it and lose yourself. They ain't no kumbaya moments at the end of the day or night.
I don't think anyone who's criticizing them is making the argument that their actions aren't understandable...
 
I agree it was stupid to video this. I do not condemn them for pissing on the corpses of the kind of scum who blow up schools full of school girls. Sorry, no sympathy for the Taliban.
For the record, having a problem with pissing on corpses isn't about sympathy for the Taliban. It's about having a standard of conduct for people representing the United States and all of its citizens.
 
I disagree, desecrating the corpse of a subhuman islamist piece of excrement is not disgusting. Its victorious. Better to mark their forheads with a cross of swines blood.

Disgusting.

Peeing on the dead is a whole new level of vile human behavior. These men should (and will be) punished as an example to others. BUT, this is just my OPINION. People will have others, that is what makes us human. The ONLY problem here is that they videotaped it and it got out. People do gross things behind closed doors and that is where they should stay.
 
See more and video @: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan (GRAPHIC VIDEO)Well this certainly will not help our cause. These soldiers need to be brought to justice ASAP. This makes my stomach just numb...

Thoughts?
Comments?
Response?

I agree with the response of the Marine Corps headquarters. "While we have not yet verified the origin or authenticity of this video, the actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps".

I am confident that some people will falsely generalize the action of a few individuals to the entire Marine Corps, or to the entire United States.

This is unfortunate.

I am equally confident that some people will spread this as propaganda against the Marine Corps, or the entire United States.

That is irresponsible and antagonistic in nature.
 
All that is recruiting and flag waving bull**** for back home. Really.
Yeah, I definitely know some Marine vets who would vehemently disagree with you on that. Some people actually take that stuff very seriously.
 
This sums it all:

CAIR Condemns Alleged Desecration of Bodies by U.S. Marines

In a letter faxed to Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad wrote:

"We condemn this apparent desecration of the dead as a violation of our nation's military regulations and of international laws of war prohibiting such disgusting and immoral actions.

"If verified as authentic, the video shows behavior that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians.

"We trust that this disturbing incident will be promptly investigated in a transparent manner and that appropriate actions will be taken based on the results of that investigation. Any guilty parties must be punished to the full extent allowed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and by relevant American laws."

CAIR Condemns Alleged Desecration of Bodies by U.S. Marines - MarketWatch
 
I think this is a disrespectful act but I don't believe that they should be punished (at least not heavily) for peeing on the soldiers (posting a video is the inappropriate part IMAO).

I have to agree with bubba and haymarket here. You can go into your enemy's country, turn them into Swiss cheese, bomb their civilians, but heaven forbid you pee on the dead bodies of their soldiers.

The distinction would be that although killing is an inevitable consequence of war, peeing on a dead body serves no purpose.

I am not saying that disrespecting a corpse is worse than killing the person to begin with. What I am saying is that we went to war for a purpose, and killing those individuals (I am assuming) was part of the overall strategic objective.

In killing the men, the soldiers were following orders, and can't be held personally responsible.

Nobody ordered the men to pee on the corpses, however. That is all on those soldiers as individuals... they did not need to do it.
 
would prefer they wrap the corpses in a hog carcass and bury them
to instill fear in the enemy

I'm actually going to side with you here for a sec and say that there is some precedent to what you're saying. Fear and intimidation tactics have long been effective weapons of war, and I could cite examples in the past where gruesome fear tactics have actually prevented wars because one side was so intimidated they backed down from the fight.

That said, there is a distinction between state-sponsored terror, and a couple rogue soldiers acting like frat boys without any direction to do so.
 
For the record, having a problem with pissing on corpses isn't about sympathy for the Taliban. It's about having a standard of conduct for people representing the United States and all of its citizens.

Representing the United States has NOTHING to do with it. You go to war. You discover it is nothing like you thought it would be. You discover that your enemy does not conform to the rules of engagement you were told were required of Americans. Imagine that, especially in an asymmetric war! You discover people you know die because rules were followed. The only standard of conduct you know is one that exists for civilians. You do whatever you can to survive and protect your mates (better term than friends). It's you and them against the world. In war, "God, mom and apple pie" is bull****. It's down to less than you and 100 people, "standard of conduct" left your thinking by the second week you were in-country.
 
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