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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

kenvin said:
So your saying if you video yourself peeing on say your neighbours dead body you won't be charged with a crime. That stretches the imagination.
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No that is obviously not what I am saying. I have made what I am saying very clear and that is the problem. I make a clear statement and you conclude these ridiculous things.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No that is obviously not what I am saying. I have made what I am saying very clear and that is the problem. I make a clear statement and you conclude these ridiculous things.
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You said it wasn't indecent. I showed it is indecent and also illegal.
 
American said:
I never said it wasn't wrong, I'm saying arguing over this ad nauseum is killing military morale and helping the enemy spread propaganda.
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I beleive you are taking this thread and these statements more seriously than those you cite who would be effected by this drivel. The soldiers did wrong and should be "reprimanded" beyond that anything else is pure nonsense.
 
Connery said:
I beleive you are taking this thread and these statements more seriously than those you cite who would be effected by this drivel. The soldiers did wrong and should be "reprimanded" beyond that anything else is pure nonsense.
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They should not be soldiers anymore. They can be reprimanded on their way out the door. They certainly shouldn't get an honorable discharge. Perhaps dishonorable perhaps just a general.
 
kenvin said:
They should not be soldiers anymore.
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Ok, let's say you got your way, would you take their place? This is with the same training, mental health check ups, supervisory protocols etc. If so, can you guarantee under the same set of facts that these soldiers endured that you would not have done what they did or something similar even a "wee bit"?
 
Connery said:
Ok, let's say you got your way, would you take their place? This is with the same training, mental health check ups, supervisory protocols etc. If so, can you guarantee under the same set of facts that these soldiers endured that you would not have done what they did or something similar even a "wee bit"?
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What I would do is is irrelevent. They they broke military code of conduct, acted in an indecent way, created an international incident, putting their law breaking corpse desecration on video and posting on the internet.

Many soldiers under the same circumstances act with honor. There will be honorable soldiers availible to replace the ones with out.
 
kenvin said:
So your saying if you video yourself peeing on say your neighbours dead body you won't be charged with a crime. That stretches the imagination.
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If that neighbor cut women's and childerens heads off for not following thier warped view of thier religion, and killed cops who tried to stop him, I don't think the DA would be inclined to prosecute.
 
kenvin said:
They should not be soldiers anymore. They can be reprimanded on their way out the door. They certainly shouldn't get an honorable discharge. Perhaps dishonorable perhaps just a general.
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When and where did you serve if I may ask. I'd just like to know where you are coming from deciding who should serve and who shouldn't. It's sad seeing people like you with more blood lust for our troops than the enemy.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
If that neighbor cut women's and childerens heads off for not following thier warped view of thier religion, and killed cops who tried to stop him, I don't think the DA would be inclined to prosecute.
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Oh so we are back to the Its ok to do what ever we want because they are terrorists arguement and they do it too, and as I said well hell if decency doesn't matter lets rape them first.
 
kenvin said:
Oh so we are back to the Its ok to do what ever we want because they are terrorists arguement and they do it too, and as I said well hell if decency doesn't matter lets rape them first.
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Sorry, not into raping people, I think your suggestions speaks more about your moral compass than these soldiers. :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Sorry, not into raping people, I think your suggestions speaks more about your moral compass than these soldiers. :shrug:
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So you are into peeing on corpses?

There is either a standard of moral decent behavior or there isn't. If there isn't... hell soldier just kill, raple and steal. As long as you win nothing else matters. War is hell, they are terrorists and do it to.
 
kenvin said:
So you are into peeing on corpses?
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I find it far less offensive than what you suggest, rape.

It was a wrong thing to do, article 15, reduction in rank then move on. These soldiers do what you do not, I think your judgment of them from the safety of your ivory tower, couch and xbox is well, not really worthy of consideration.


There is either a standard of moral decent behavior or there isn't. If there isn't... hell soldier just kill, raple and steal. As long as you win nothing else matters. War is hell, they are terrorists and do it to.
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That's your extremist logic at work, not reality.
 
kenvin said:
What I would do is is irrelevent.
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Typical armchair general. Kindly answer the question as you hold yourself out as an expert here.


They they broke military code of conduct, acted in an indecent way, created an international incident, putting their law breaking corpse desecration on video and posting on the internet.
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They should and will be punished according to the UCMJ as far as I know.

Many soldiers under the same circumstances act with honor.
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Specifically what were those circumstances. Were there any aberrations? What about their superiors? There are many questions to be answered here. The solution is not getting rid of the soldiers, but, addressing the situation and finding the causes for this behavior. As you point out many soldiers serve with "honor". The question is why did this group and other like pockets of soldiers act in a way to discredit themselves, their organization and the jeopardize tenuous alliances.
 
Connery said:
Typical armchair general. Kindly answer the question as you hold yourself out as an expert here.




They should and will be punished according to the UCMJ as far as I know.

Specifically what were those circumstances. Were there any aberrations? What about their superiors? There are many questions to be answered here. The solution is not getting rid of the soldiers, but, addressing the situation and finding the causes for this behavior. As you point out many soldiers serve with "honor". The question is why did this group and other like pockets of soldiers act in a way to discredit themselves, their organization and the jeopardize tenuous alliances.
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Ah we have to understand their crime from their perspective. It wasn't necessarily their fault. Lets look at their superious. That is quite Liberal.
 
kenvin said:
Ah we have to understand their crime from their perspective. It wasn't necessarily their fault. Lets look at their superious. That is quite Liberal.
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Nope just an intelligent way to approach a problem that has occurred several times in recent history. (see Lynndie England).
 
Connery said:
Nope just an intelligent way to approach a problem that has occurred several times in recent history. (see Lynndie England).
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What happened to her? Oh she got kicked out of the military. There you go.
 
Connery said:
Yep and the problem is still around....:smileyfart
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There will always be those who don't understand their duty and commit crimes. Just kick them out and or prosecute them when they do.
 
kenvin said:
You said it wasn't indecent. I showed it is indecent and also illegal.
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You can't seem to grasp that in war... killing is legal. War changes the very nature of the debate. War does not make things like rape acceptable but minor things like peeing on the guy that you just killed would be. Scalping them to Native Americans would be. Unless you can show that a significant culture somewhere in the world accepted rape as a normal thing to do AFTER killing the person then you really have no argument.

Lots of armies raped BEFORE killing people but that is different. That is not acceptable by any culture any longer. Peeing? That is so minor that even mentioning it is next to laughable.

What's next? Can't take the dead enemies gun since that would be stealing or theft? Get real for ****s sake... :roll:
 
kenvin said:
So you are into peeing on corpses?

There is either a standard of moral decent behavior or there isn't. If there isn't... hell soldier just kill, raple and steal. As long as you win nothing else matters. War is hell, they are terrorists and do it to.
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There is this little thing called context. Comparing peeing on a dead person to raping a live one? A childish analogy at best.
 
kenvin said:
There will always be those who don't understand their duty and commit crimes. Just kick them out and or prosecute them when they do.
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This is just wrongheaded. Like I said, "the soldiers did wrong and should be "reprimanded" beyond that anything else is pure nonsense."
 
kenvin said:
There will always be those who don't understand their duty and commit crimes. Just kick them out and or prosecute them when they do.
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So you are for ruining these guys lives over this.

Obviously, you know nothing about service.
 
Connery said:
This is just wrongheaded. Like I said, "the soldiers did wrong and should be "reprimanded" beyond that anything else is pure nonsense."
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Hey England was removed from service, Choi, Manning, and so have many others for even less. I had a friend kicked out of the navy for being a drunk. They have no business in the military. Why you feel sorry for them I don't know.
 
kenvin said:
Hey England was removed from service, Choi, Manning, and so have many others for even less. I had a friend kicked out of the navy for being a drunk. They have no business in the military. Why you feel sorry for them I don't know.
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You are seriously comparing these soldiers to england, and drunks? Again says more about the company you keep.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You are seriously comparing these soldiers to england, and drunks? Again says more about the company you keep.
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Yes what did England do? She took a picture with a guy with a bag on his head or some guys in a pile. They pissed on a corpes. They in fact did the exact same thing. They should get what she got. Unless guys deserve more sympathy than girls.
 
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