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Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

Daktoria said:
A "no vote" is what's recorded when people don't vote. It's the default position, and it waits for something to be said in order to be changed.
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Not true.

Wikipedia: Abstention said:
Abstentions do not count in tallying the vote negatively or positively; when members abstain, they are in effect attending only to contribute to a quorum. White votes, however, may be counted in the total of votes, depending on the legislation.
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It doesn't count as anything.
 
MrVicchio said:
Misterman, and yourself claim Union forming HAS to be done under the ausipices of the NRLB, I have shown just one example, there are more, of Union thuggery in action.
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...along with a lawsuit that overturned it.

Is it sinking in yet?
 
rocket88 said:
If a union only represents a portion of the workers, that union has no power. I'm sure you know this which is why you ask leading questions like this.
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If A, B, and C go on strike, they would be taking away 60% of the employer's workforce. This would have not effect?

But be that as it may, say A, B, and C decide to form a union, but D and E are not interested because they are already happy with the terms of their employment. So are you saying that A, B, and C can force D and E into their union just to make their union more effective? What about D and E's right to stick with their current employment terms? How do A, B, and C somehow become the boss of D and E?
 
Centinel said:
If A, B, and C go on strike, they would be taking away 60% of the employer's workforce. This would have not effect?

But be that as it may, say A, B, and C decide to form a union, but D and E are not interested because they are already happy with the terms of their employment. So are you saying that A, B, and C can force D and E into their union just to make their union more effective? What about D and E's right to stick with their current employment terms? How do A, B, and C somehow become the boss of D and E?
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Nobody is saying that you can force D and E into a union. Nobody can be required to join a union. In some states, you can be forced to pay a fee to a union if you get a union job, but that's it.
 
misterman said:
Nobody is saying that you can force D and E into a union. Nobody can be required to join a union. In some states, you can be forced to pay a fee to a union if you get a union job, but that's it.
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Why would the state force D and E to pay a fee to A, B, and C just to continue working at the jobs they already have? Other than that they happen to work for the same employer, how are D and E related in any way with A, B, and C?
 
Centinel said:
Why would the state force D and E to pay a fee to A, B, and C just to continue working at the jobs they already have? Other than that they happen to work for the same employer, how are D and E related in any way with A, B, and C?
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The state doesn't do that, the union contract does (some state laws don't allow that, hence my reference to states). The logic is that all workers get the benefits of the contract, so they should contribute in some way toward it. Not all union contracts do this though, even in states where it is legal.
 
misterman said:
The state doesn't do that, the union contract does (some state laws don't allow that, hence my reference to states). The logic is that all workers get the benefits of the contract, so they should contribute in some way toward it. Not all union contracts do this though, even in states where it is legal.
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Yeahhh, that seems legal. D and E didnt want the contract, didnt sign, didnt want any part of it yet they are being forced to contribute to the resources being used to create it. And if they didnt want to take part in the union contract? What then? Because if its a union shop after the vote, Im pretty sure they have little choice.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Yeahhh, that seems legal. D and E didnt want the contract, didnt sign, didnt want any part of it yet they are being forced to contribute to the resources being used to create it. And if they didnt want to take part in the union contract? What then? Because if its a union shop after the vote, Im pretty sure they have little choice.
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Then they should have voted. Most politicians get elected by less than half of the people. If the people who didn't vote don't like Obama or Bush or Clinton or whoever, then that's their tough luck. They should have exercised their right to vote. Same with voting to have a union. If you didn't vote, then you didn't vote yes, and you didn't vote no. You just didn't vote. Tough luck if you don't like the results. Your apathy is upon YOU, not upon those who voted.
 
Who protected all the workers from John Corzine robbing the company blind and putting them all out of work...THATS WHY THERES UNIONS....and the private sector working class have been stripped of everything by pigs like corzine...and all theyve done is bend over and say thank thank you My Lord for allowing me to work for you for less and less...pfffffffffffft.....thats why after this primary I shall be a republican No more
 
lpast said:
Who protected all the workers from John Corzine robbing the company blind and putting them all out of work...THATS WHY THERES UNIONS....and the private sector working class have been stripped of everything by pigs like corzine...and all theyve done is bend over and say thank thank you My Lord for allowing me to work for you for less and less...pfffffffffffft.....thats why after this primary I shall be a republican No more
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I quit drinking the Kool-Aid a few years ago. :)
 
lpast said:
Who protected all the workers from John Corzine robbing the company blind and putting them all out of work...THATS WHY THERES UNIONS....and the private sector working class have been stripped of everything by pigs like corzine...and all theyve done is bend over and say thank thank you My Lord for allowing me to work for you for less and less...pfffffffffffft.....thats why after this primary I shall be a republican No more
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Unions wouldn't have stopped Corzine and to make such a leap of a ridiculous conclusion is absurd. You're comparing apples to comic books.

As for being a republican no more, welcome. I left the republican party years ago. They are almost as out of touch with reality as the democrats have been for decades. They have left behind the very fabric of what the party is supposed to stand for. The Tea Party will split the republican party in the next 2 years, more so than it already has.
 
Who protected all the workers from John Corzine robbing the company blind and putting them all out of work
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This statement is categorically false. Unions would not have been able to prevent what Corzine did, there are laws against what he did.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Yeahhh, that seems legal. D and E didnt want the contract, didnt sign, didnt want any part of it yet they are being forced to contribute to the resources being used to create it.
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But they benefit from it.

In some states, it's illegal.

And if they didnt want to take part in the union contract? What then?
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They should find a new job. Those are the terms of employment, just like any other job that has no union. No job allows you to just decide what you want to get paid or the work conditions you'll work under (though union members do have input on it when they negotiate).
 
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