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Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

C-21 Cowboy said:
Get with the program.
I get called "crazy" while you idiots want to act all proper and not call a spade a spade....

You think atheism is benign and harmless?

The latest claims made by senior officials came after British historian Jon Halliday claimed in his book ‘Mao’, published in 2005, that under Mao Tse-tung more people were killed than previously thought. Halliday said as many as 70 million Chinese people were massacred




Report: 3000 Chinese Christians “Killed” Since 2000 « Status of Chinese People

“In the last seven years 3,000 Christians were killed,” said Ulrich Delius, the Asia expert of the German-based Society for Threatened
Peoples, which campaigns against all forms of genocide and “ethnocide”. The allegations were expected to further increase international concerns that China’s pledged economic reforms are not backed-up by more religious and poltical freedoms"

Mark my words, call my "crazy"...I really don't care.

I spent 22 years in the U.S. Armed Forces and we WILL be at war with China, an atheistic, statist regime....
Atheism is an inherent part of Marxist doctrine, and it's core China is still a Communist state.

Now how does one make the huge leap from atheists having a display in a public park that mocks religion? to war with China?

First rule of war, never under-estimate your enemy and know your enemy.

Walls are not always knocked down in with a wrecking ball, sometimes the mortar is slowly worn down, until brick by brick the wall
no longer has any structure to support it.

This is our civilization, based on Christian and Jewish values, the atheist's moral relativism is not benign...history says otherwise.
History is replete with megalomurderous regimes from Stalin to Pol Pot...all at their core beliefs looking upon the religious as something
to be eradicated.

Organized atheism is at war with religion...in case you haven't noticed.

it's time we stopped being passive and easy targets...
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Shall we look at the estimated deaths caused by the Catholic Church during the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition? Shall we look at the Catholics killed by Protestants and Puritans? The number of Palestinian civilians murdered by the Israeli government? Those were done (or condoned) by the heads of the respective religions in the name of those religions, not just by people who believed in them.

Listen: no one belief is free from assholes. Don't point out the assholes in one belief you don't like as if they stand for all of that belief. As shown before, I can do that X10.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Oh Goodie, the apologist is using Wiki!:roll:
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Roll your eyes all you want. Apologist for what? Have I made a single statement on the article at all? I questioned your silly attempt to demonize a display you don't like simply because you like my analogical patient, think it's the wrong way to go about things. Do you see religious preachers as dickish too?
 
Hatuey said:
So it consists of people coming out of the atheist closet? I didn't know we were like gay people.
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To a degree, yes. There has been lots of negative connotations associated with atheists. If there were outward appearances of being atheists, we'd probably have been one of the most discriminated groups ever. It hasn't really been until recently that being an atheist was "ok", and there is still plenty of social stigma associated with it. But as time marches on, it will become more and more accepted to be atheists and more atheists will be able to publicly claim their atheism with little fear of negative consequences.
 
You know, it IS a free country and free speech doesn't go away in December. If one group bought out the space in the park, that's their right, no matter what holiday is or isn't around the corner.
 
Paschendale said:
You know, it IS a free country and free speech doesn't go away in December. If one group bought out the space in the park, that's their right, no matter what holiday is or isn't around the corner.
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Agreed.

Just like the pro-lifers are free to buy up ad space on major highways and post pictures of abortions.

But they're both still a-holes doing something that's in bad taste and just to annoy those they dislike.
 
Ikari said:
To a degree, yes. There has been lots of negative connotations associated with atheists. If there were outward appearances of being atheists, we'd probably have been one of the most discriminated groups ever. It hasn't really been until recently that being an atheist was "ok", and there is still plenty of social stigma associated with it. But as time marches on, it will become more and more accepted to be atheists and more atheists will be able to publicly claim their atheism with little fear of negative consequences.
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Uh huh. Learn something new everyday I guess. It seems like a lot of drama for no reason.
 
Paschendale said:
You know, it IS a free country and free speech doesn't go away in December. If one group bought out the space in the park, that's their right, no matter what holiday is or isn't around the corner.
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And the religious groups who lost their monopoly are free to cry about it as well. It's funny how atheists become the villain when they choose to ask to have the same rights as christians.
 
Paschendale said:
You know, it IS a free country and free speech doesn't go away in December. If one group bought out the space in the park, that's their right, no matter what holiday is or isn't around the corner.
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Who here (besides C-21 Cowboy who's posts are just whacked) are saying that free speech does go away or should? No one here is saying that they do not have that right. What we are saying (those of us that are) is that how they have gone about asserting thier right is dickish and is attacking.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Who here (besides C-21 Cowboy who's posts are just whacked) are saying that free speech does go away or should? No one here is saying that they do not have that right. What we are saying (those of us that are) is that how they have gone about asserting thier right is dickish and is attacking.
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But shoving your religion in my face isn't.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Who's been doing that?
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No one in particular.
 
roughdraft274 said:
If you're honestly trying to argue that atheists are oppressing Christians because they got a few spots to put up signs in one city then you don't really know what oppression is.
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You call 18 of 21 spots a few? WTF is wrong with you?
 
Kal'Stang said:
That's shoving religion in your face? Wow...you sure do have a thin skin!
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The one with the confederate flag is offensive.

That's shoving stupid in our face.

Also, the monkey one--I don't get it. Anytime you have to think too hard about a sign, they failed.
 
hazlnut said:
The one with the confederate flag is offensive.
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No it isn't, it's hilariously stupid but not offensive unless you really do have way too thin a skin.

Also, the monkey one--I don't get it. Anytime you have to think too hard about a sign, they failed.
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Really, you don't get it? I think the problem is not with the sign...
 
hazlnut said:
The one with the confederate flag is offensive.

That's shoving stupid in our face.

Also, the monkey one--I don't get it. Anytime you have to think too hard about a sign, they failed.
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That's the point. You're not supposed to think about them. If you do, you realize how absurd they really are.
 
As someone who was raised a Christian but became an atheist at the age of twelve, I think these atheist organizations are silly. Anyway, my only reaction to the article is I think that there should be a stipulation that if the displays aren't used after a week or two a different organization that wants to use them should get them. If the atheists want displays, they need to actually put **** to display in them.
 
Kal'Stang said:
That's shoving religion in your face? Wow...you sure do have a thin skin!
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Says the guy complaining about a few posters in nowhere'sville California.
 
Zyphlin said:
Hey :prof....who in this thread, other than the one crazy guy who may very well be a poe and has multiple people on the christian groups side condemning him, has been suggesting that the Athiests be BANNED from putting up their signs?

I don't remember people suggesting that Westboro people are DICKS equated to stating they shouldn't have freedom of speech...so exactly how is saying that the Athiests Groups were being dicks equating to the "religious" wanting to infringe on the absolution of Freedom of Speech

Oh, by the way....hate to inform you but Freedom of Speech isn't absolute. Look up laws regarding fighting words, obscinity laws regarding speech in public, libel and slander laws, and others.
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No need to patronize me, I'm well aware of those laws and the limitations of Freedom of Speech. My problem is the level of outrage being expressed by some in this thread at the atheist groups and the lack of outrage toward the idiots who thought a lottery for PUBLIC space during a holiday season celebrated by several religions and the secular alike was a great idea. And every winner gets 9 cages? Not one, not two, but 9?

This was poorly done and conceptually stupid. I certainly wouldn't have done it, but there are dingbats in every segment of society. Islam has fundamentalist kooks who like to blow stuff up, Christianity has fundamentalist kooks who like to parade around with "God Hates Fags" signs, Judiasm has fundamentalist kooks who like to burn mosques in the West Bank, and Catholics have fundamentalist kooks who like to dress up as priests and molest alter boys. Secular, non-religious groups have kooks too, like kooks who think it's a great idea to bust Santa, Satan and Jesus in a holiday display.

The level of outrage in this thread is unreasonable, as shown by the amount of anger you've directed toward my post... and me! I certainly didn't mention the Westboro church in my brief, but apparently extremely offensive post. And the last I heard, "I don't believe what you believe" is not covered under the "fighting words" exceptions clause. :)

Personally, I think the groups putting their "message" across in this manner was foolish. But were they "dicks"? I'd have to meet them personally to have an opinion on that.
 
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