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Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

The douches in this are the people whose applecart has been upset, and are now squealing like stuck pigs because someone else is acting like they have over the years. No longer having monopoly must be so upsetting. How dare anyone hold a contrary view, and dare to advertise it as well! Outrageous! Bah, humbug!
 
liblady said:
i wonder why more churches didn't apply?
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Hard to say. I'm sure there are many that are just not interested in putting up nativity scenes in some places. Not everyones into putting up displays and such that way. I also figure that there wasn't some large push to get non-residents to come in and put in an application to put up displays as was evidenced in regards to the athiest groups. I figure not knowing that people were going to get spots to do nothing but sit there with them and do NOTHING probably didn't help the matter.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The douches in this are the people whose applecart has been upset, and are now squealing like stuck pigs because someone else is acting like they have over the years. No longer having monopoly must be so upsetting. How dare anyone hold a contrary view, and dare to advertise it as well! Outrageous! Bah, humbug!
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How about read the story.

Their issue isn't that people are attempting to "advertise their view". Their issue is that people specifically attempted to flood entries into the lottery not to be able to "advertise their view" but to specifically keep others from putting up their own displays, as evidenced by the fact that they are only using 3 of their 18 spaces to "advertise" and are simply squatting on the other 15 with nothing in them.
 
Zyphlin said:
Hard to say. I'm sure there are many that are just not interested in putting up nativity scenes in some places. Not everyones into putting up displays and such that way. I also figure that there wasn't some large push to get non-residents to come in and put in an application to put up displays as was evidenced in regards to the athiest groups. I figure not knowing that people were going to get spots to do nothing but sit there with them and do NOTHING probably didn't help the matter.
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If the lottery situation still applies next year I would bet on their being a substantial influx of Christian applicants.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The douches in this are the people whose applecart has been upset, and are now squealing like stuck pigs because someone else is acting like they have over the years. No longer having monopoly must be so upsetting. How dare anyone hold a contrary view, and dare to advertise it as well! Outrageous! Bah, humbug!
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No, I mean honestly they somehow won 18 spots. Even if we take it as nothing more than statistical anomaly, they had received the vast majority of spots. Now obviously they don't have to share those spots; but everything seems to say that they used 3-4, thus leaving 14-15 unused. If they didn't want to be dicks about it, they could have let other folk use the unused ones. But they felt like being dicks about it. That's all there is to it. Of course, they're free to be dicks and there's nothing one can really do other than changing rules for next year.

Will they? Maybe. An individual being able to claim up to 9 is rather large. But I think that rule was more there to help the large groups that had been getting 14 spots routinely to keep being able to get a large number of spots. It just backfired this time is all. And the two groups that got the 18 slots are well within their rights to keep all those and not share as no one had shared with their groups in the past. But it's still a dick move.
 
Zyphlin said:
Are you seriously and ridiculously attempting to equate a full out college course on Mythology of a religion and belief system held only by a infantismal population in modern times that taught in an institute of learning to a display out in public pointedly singling out only one singular modernly followed religion in its single sentence claim?

This dumbass arugment wasn't debate, its ignorant snark being passed off as something more than just trying to jab people with a stick.
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You are using the appeal to popularity fallacy to justify special treatment for one mythology over another. I don't believe that your issue is that the other major religions are absent. You would still take exception to the display. If they replaced the picture of Jesus with a picture of L. Ron Hubbard this thread would be full of jokes. Of course, the justification for that would be the no true Scottsman fallacy.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Do you want to start by repealing the first amendment, or should we just declare atheism to be a terrorist organization?
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We interned people of Japanese ancestry in WWII. You do what you have to do to save the Republic, including suspending the Constitution. Unless you'd prefer a society that mirrors Stalin's USSR or Mao's China?

That's the problem with progressives, you envision a Utopian World where the Muslim, Christian and atheist are all acting for the common good.

Better to bend the rules now or wait until the enemy shatters them into tiny little pieces and establishes their own rules.

Muslims want a World where Sharia law rules.
Communist Atheists want a World where Statism rules.

You'll notice that China supports and defends Iran.
You'll notice that both regimes conspire to destroy the West.

Time to recognize them both as the enemies they are.

Militant atheism within U.S. borders is the equivalent of Japanese ancestry in WWII. You can't afford to assume that most are benign, you have to assume they are malignant. We must do this for the good of the Republic.
 
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C-21 Cowboy said:
We interned people of Japanese ancestry in WWII. You do what you have to do to save the Republic, including suspending the Constitution.
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The Republic was based on the proper control and restriction of government force, not it's unbridled release.
 
Zyphlin said:
How about read the story.

Their issue isn't that people are attempting to "advertise their view". Their issue is that people specifically attempted to flood entries into the lottery not to be able to "advertise their view" but to specifically keep others from putting up their own displays, as evidenced by the fact that they are only using 3 of their 18 spaces to "advertise" and are simply squatting on the other 15 with nothing in them.
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Is there anything besides a nativity scene they could put in the other 15 spots that you would find acceptable?
 
Thorgasm said:
Is there anything besides a nativity scene they could put in the other 15 spots that you would find acceptable?
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During a holiday let people put up holiday displays. Right now it's Christmas and Chanukha. The big problem I have with this issue is the timing and target, these same atheists I doubt would have the nerve to put up a sign saying something like "Allah sucks balls" during Ramadan or other muslim holidays, and they probably wouldn't attack any other group besides christians and jewish faiths. There is no reason to **** on someone's celebration except to be a douche.

EDIT- For the sake of message clarity I think it is imperative to state that when I say "to be a douche" I am not knocking the atheist belief itself or any atheists who subscribe to it but rather a segment of the belief that feels it's their duty to mock other beliefs that center around a belief in some form of a deity. There are plenty of good people from all beliefs that don't draw ire from me, just the assholes.
 
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digsbe said:
For not claiming to have any faith these dicks sure do want to spread their beliefs around and oppress the beliefs of others.
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You mean like the thousands of TV evangelist?

Oppress other's beliefs? Man, can you give an example of how they do that? Does somebody live insider your brain controlling how you act, think, and believe?
 
misterman said:
I just meant it was even fishier.
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I still don't get it. "Fishier", "worse", "unfair"...none of those words seem to fit given the circumstances.

misterman said:
Sure, whatever. Sometimes atheists are dicks, sometimes religious people are dicks.
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And I would call out any church being dicks also. Hell, I'd call anyone out for being dicks. Whether its a religious group, athiest group or any one person. That's part of my 1st amendment rights also.

misterman said:
No, it's not nice. Yes, it's legally okay, but that's not what you're asking. But don't you think it's also dickish to put up your religious display at a public building, as if it were an official one endorsed by the government, and then exclude all others?
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Bold: What am I asking then?

Underlined: You keep asking this question despite the fact that this is not what this thread is about. But to satisfy you, yes, if they exclude all others it is dickish. Personally I don't care if a courthouse displays religious symbols...so long as they don't exclude.
 
C-21 Cowboy said:
Many regimes have outlawed religion, it's time we became proactive with these pesky atheists. Professed atheists should be jailed for society's protection, or better yet stripped of their citizenship and sent to China where they work along side other ChiComm atheists for $.75 a day and 2 bowls of rice. Let them experience Maoism and Marxism first hand, let them experience regimes that are hostile to religion.

America was bulit on the backs of the Religious it's time these atheists shape up or ship out. Get with the program or enjoy your 3 hots and a cot rotting in an 8 x 10 jail cell till you shape up.

Same with the Communists, outlaw them, much like Germany has outlawed Nazism, we need to be proactive here in America and start getting rid of the rats. Communism and Atheism go hand in hand.
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Hey, buddy? No.
 
Removable Mind said:
You mean like the thousands of TV evangelist?[
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Last I knew a person has the option of not watching the channels that those TV evagelists are on. Was there a memo I didn't get?

Removable Mind said:
Oppress other's beliefs? Man, can you give an example of how they do that? Does somebody live insider your brain controlling how you act, think, and believe?
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In this case I believe that is exactly what was trying to happen in the OP. Only reason that they couldn't fully was that there was a limit on how many slots they could have. After all, you don't buy up 18 out of 21 slots and only use 3 of those 18 slots for absolutely no reason.
 
C-21 Cowboy said:
Many regimes have outlawed religion, it's time we became proactive with these pesky atheists. Professed atheists should be jailed for society's protection, or better yet stripped of their citizenship and sent to China where they work along side other ChiComm atheists for $.75 a day and 2 bowls of rice. Let them experience Maoism and Marxism first hand, let them experience regimes that are hostile to religion.

America was bulit on the backs of the Religious it's time these atheists shape up or ship out. Get with the program or enjoy your 3 hots and a cot rotting in an 8 x 10 jail cell till you shape up.

Same with the Communists, outlaw them, much like Germany has outlawed Nazism, we need to be proactive here in America and start getting rid of the rats. Communism and Atheism go hand in hand.
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Wow...extreme much? Athiest have a right to be around just as much as any other group....and we are NOT Germany.
 
I consider 'AmericanAthiests' (the group) to be complete and udder douchebags. I am an agnostic-athiest (it means i lean more towards atheism if you must know) and I find them to be extremely offensive. Why do they have to go through this effort to make theists look bad? this is AMERICA you are free to wroship or not however you please and anyone who tries to attack anothers faith. Putting up an atheistic message is not wrong, however shoving it down the theistic communities throats like this is. I am sure they could have up with a less offensive message, makes all athiests look bad. Same as the religious community would soemtimes to others? Sure. But two wrongs don't make a right.

C-21 Cowboy said:
Many regimes have outlawed religion, it's time we became proactive with these pesky atheists. Professed atheists should be jailed for society's protection, or better yet stripped of their citizenship and sent to China where they work along side other ChiComm atheists for $.75 a day and 2 bowls of rice. Let them experience Maoism and Marxism first hand, let them experience regimes that are hostile to religion.

America was bulit on the backs of the Religious it's time these atheists shape up or ship out. Get with the program or enjoy your 3 hots and a cot rotting in an 8 x 10 jail cell till you shape up.

Same with the Communists, outlaw them, much like Germany has outlawed Nazism, we need to be proactive here in America and start getting rid of the rats. Communism and Atheism go hand in hand.
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And it is people like YOU that makes these athiest go onto the defensive. What about the militant theists that oppose anyone who is not of their religion and anyone who is not religious? What about those who commit the exact same acts towards others? America was built to be the land of the 'free' and it is protected in our damn constitution that people have the RIGHT to have any belief they want. America was built on the backs of the constitution not thiests. If you do not like the constitution maybe you should be the one shipped out because you obviously have no sense of what America is.

also I doubt you even know what communism is, the red scare is over. Get with the program.
 
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Wessexman said:
I'm not sure why anyone should care about that poster. It makes a rooky mistake by attacking myths. No sensible man attacks myths or fairy tales, they are more true than much science or history. I just wish Chesterton were alive to see it.
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.....This made me lol.
 
Thorgasm said:
You are using the appeal to popularity fallacy to justify special treatment for one mythology over another.
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If you want to start lecturing me about fallacies after that ****tacular comparison you made earlier, how about you actually learn what it is.

Argumentum ad populum is suggesting that an individual arguement is true because its popular or holds true for many people then therefore it is universally true. That's not my argument in the least. Now, if you want to talk about "fallacies" go look up strawman. My argument was not that Christianity is "true" because its possible and thus it shouldn't be called mythology.

My argument was that its a tactless and dickish move to make a display like that in a public setting specifically aimed at belittling the view points held by a large population of people. Argumentum ad populum is NOT a fallacy when pointing out that something IS popular and pointing out popularity in and of itself is not a fallacy. My argument relies zero on whether or not Christianity or the Greek Gods are or aren't technically "mythology". Rather, my argument relies on whether or not its true that a majority of people VIEW them as such. A majority of people, especially in academic colleges in the United States, considered Greek Gods to by Mythology thus terming it as such is not some kind of tactless statement nor something that is reasonable to expect someone to think is an "inflamatory remark". On the contrary, stating that JESUS is "mythology" is a view point opposite of what the majority of people in the location of that display views and is something that is reasonable to expect that many people would take as "inflamatory".

This doesn't even however begin to enter into the absurdity of comparing a class, where lenthy discussion and indepth analysis by individuals CHOOSING to take part in it, to a one line display put up in public.

I don't believe that your issue is that the other major religions are absent. You would still take exception to the display. If they replaced the picture of Jesus with a picture of L. Ron Hubbard this thread would be full of jokes.
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It'd be a dick move regardless of what religion they attacked. Would it possibly be funny? Maybe it would. I find tactless dick moves funny sometimes. Doesn't make them any less of a dick move. But if you want to play the "I don't believe" game or the "this thread would be full of" game, had this been a Christian group putting up a display specifically attacking Muslims, or specifically attacking athiests, I think we'd see this thread full of people talking about the bigotry of Christians and the disgusting way they push their views and I don't believe we'd be seeing you having near the same support for the issue of negatively affirming ones beliefs as the direct expense and targetting of another group.
 
And what we have learned in this thread:

:prof Freedom of speech is absolute, except when it offends the religious.
 
Atheist's are always outlawing free speech...you can't have a moment of silence in public schools or they sue. You can't say a prayer at a public school graduation...is this not free speech? They even sued the Boy Scouts of America for not allowing atheists in.
They are already at war with religion, it's just the Christian religious are too passive to fight back.

The decision is made, we stop the vermin, like so many rats spreading their moral relativism akin to the bubonic plague. We outlaw atheism.

We sue the atheists for these displays on public property...their belief system meets all the criteria for a religion.
 
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DiAnna said:
And what we have learned in this thread:

:prof Freedom of speech is absolute, except when it offends the religious.
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I have gathered that the general feeling is that the atheists were being dicks, not that they don't have the freedom to do what they did. You can still criticize someone's intentions or actions even if they are completely legal.
 
Thorgasm said:
Is there anything besides a nativity scene they could put in the other 15 spots that you would find acceptable?
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Well, since it appears these things were generally used for HOLIDAY displays, how about secular images of the holiday season. Perhaps Santa, or Rudolph, or Frosty, or something of the sort. Or if you want to try and promote the importance of science and reason and do the holidays perhaps an enlarged "On the Origina of Spieces" book wrapped up in christmas lights. Perhaps if you want something that's not related to the holiday at all but promoting athiestic ideas find a quote you want to put on a board highlighting the importance of logic and reason when determining man's place in the universe that isn't also specifically attacking an individual faith. In no way would they have to put a nativity scene up.
 
Ikari said:
[video]http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12813688/catholic-vs-atheist-christmas-edition[/video]

HAHAHAHAH...this is pretty horrible propaganda.
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Holy **** :shock:
 
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