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Empirica said:
And once again you edit out the bottom of my post in a desperate attempt to avoid dealing with the issue of obama's sealed records.
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I don't deal with red herrings. I addressed this post:

Empirica said:
I most certainly am__The libertarian philosophy clearly states that society has no right to retrict the actions of the individual providing those actions neither harm nor adversely affect others.

I believe that it is all to obvious that western civilization has been on the decline since the onslaught of the sexual revolution.__Even though I wasn't born yet, the evidence of then and now is overwhelming.

Since the mid 60s the divorce rate, STDs, abortion and unwed pregnacies has skyrocketed, 10 year old girls dress like prostitutes and perform vulger dance moves to music lyrics that promote murdering cops, drug use, and sex.

These children text their sexual encounters and nude photos all over their schools and the internet which will no doubt follow them for the rest of their lives which probably explains the increased teenage suicide rate.

Young boys use to sneak around to do their "dirty talk" but now they do it loudly and publicly and the young girls proudly join in with them with vulgarities that many adults wouldnt even dare to repeat.

Children disrespect their parents and teachers, curse like sailors and are having homo/hetero/bi-sexual encounters at ever increasingly younger ages with multiple partners and brag about how many hooked ups they have had.

Swim wear looks like dental floss and being rude and offensive is now the norm and television, movies and video games push the envelope ever further with vulgarity, nudity, sex, drug use, violence and gore.

Mothers and fathers get high with their children and have sex with their friends and defend their bad behavior and blame society and guns when they walk into a school and murder their fellow students in cold blood.

I could go on all day but if you haven't gotten the massege by now, you never will___The problem isn't racism or sexism or fascism or homophobes or xenophobes or guns or religion or intolerance___It's immorality.
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Now - in that particular post, there is nothing about Obama is there? So how could I possibly be ignoring something we, as in the users going by "Empirirca" and "Hatuey", have never discussed?

I'll let it slide Hatuey__Reality is often unkind and it's quite obvious this is a disturbing and embarrassing issue for you true believers.
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You clearly have a Napoleon complex and can't really do much but repeat nonsensical copy pasted excerpts from whatever books you're reading. Maybe you should stick to the topic instead of throwing out red herrings and non-sequiturs right and left? The forum is watching you Empirica. It's your time to shine and demonstrate to a high school drop out how smart you are.
 
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liblady said:
i fail to see how gay marriage adversely affects anyone.
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Consistency isn't something you are going to get. She believes that gays are immoral, but what goes on in the privacy of a bedroom is no ones business. No, I did not make that up, and yes it is just as dumb as it sounds.
 
Redress said:
Consistency isn't something you are going to get. She believes that gays are immoral, but what goes on in the privacy of a bedroom is no ones business. No, I did not make that up, and yes it is just as dumb as it sounds.
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which is precisely why i told her she was__ not__ really__ a libertarian.
 
liblady said:
i fail to see how gay marriage adversely affects anyone.
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Any policy that legitimizes any perversion and demands that society condone and accept it is another nail in the coffin of civilization.

The radical left has silenced common sense with political correctness while pounding nails into that coffin for nearly fifty years now.
 
Empirica said:
Any policy that legitimizes any perversion and demands that society condone and accept it is another nail in the coffin of civilization..
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LOL. Yes, homosexuality will destroy the world when it happens. Oh wait, it's been happening since Adam and Adam.

Empirica said:
The radical left has silenced common sense with political correctness while pounding nails into that coffin for nearly fifty years now.
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Fortunately we have the religious right to fix all that ails this country. Just send in a check and all will be well.
 
Empirica said:
Any policy that legitimizes any perversion and demands that society condone and accept it is another nail in the coffin of civilization.

The radical left has silenced common sense with political correctness while pounding nails into that coffin for nearly fifty years now.
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Who chooses what is considered to be a perversion?
 
Hatuey said:
I don't deal with red herrings. I addressed this post:
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You so funny Haty__If you could prove it's a "red herring" you would be all over it like cheese on a burger in a McMinute.

Let's just drop it__Every time you post one of these whiney excuses you look more foolish.
 
Empirica said:
You so funny Haty__If you could prove it's a "red herring" you would be all over it like cheese on a burger in a McMinute.
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If I could "prove" it's a red herring? It's a red herring for the simple reason that in your post, the one I addressed, there is zero mention of Obama's education. Now, if we could kindly get back to what we, as the couple du jour, were discussing, I'd really appreciate it.

Let's just drop it__Every time you post one of these whiney excuses you look more foolish.
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You're a little too predictable Empirica.

Artful Dodger

Artful Dodger is a nimble and elusive Warrior. When strongly attacked he changes the subject with a diversionary counterattack. For example, if in a moment of pique his opponent refers to him to him as a "sonofabitch", Artful Dodger will not only demand a public apology for the insult to his own mother, but will castigate his opponent on behalf all mothers everywhere. Knowing full well that staying on topic works to his disadvantage, Artful Dodger will not allow himself to be pinned down.
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Come on babe, you're letting your audience down by ducking and dodging me.
 
Empirica said:
Any policy that legitimizes any perversion and demands that society condone and accept it is another nail in the coffin of civilization.
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GM doesn't do any of those things. You REALLY don't know how to debate, do you?

The radical RIGHT and radical left has silenced common sense with political correctness while pounding nails into that coffin for nearly fifty years now.
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Corrected for accuracy.
 
Empirica said:
Any policy that legitimizes any perversion and demands that society condone and accept it is another nail in the coffin of civilization.

The radical left has silenced common sense with political correctness while pounding nails into that coffin for nearly fifty years now.
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You're no libertarian.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
GM doesn't do any of those things.
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And this is your idea of knowing how to debate?


You REALLY don't know how to debate, do you?
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Between rebuttals such as yours and critisizing spelling for lack of argument, I'm more than a little dissapointed in the debating skills of the local competition!
 
Empirica said:
And this is your idea of knowing how to debate?


Between rebuttals such as yours and critisizing spelling for lack of argument,
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You can't possibly be surprised. When one claims superior intellect and education, one gets held to a higher standard. Folks that claim moral superiority should expect the same. How sad that most don't walk the very walk they claim to espouse.

There's a word for that.
 
Top Cat said:
You can't possibly be surprised. When one claims superior intellect and education, one gets held to a higher standard.
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And they sure as hell can't expect to make multiple spelling errors, not to mention lots of massive errors in logic.
 
Empirica said:
Any policy that legitimizes any perversion and demands that society condone and accept it is another nail in the coffin of civilization.

The radical left has silenced common sense with political correctness while pounding nails into that coffin for nearly fifty years now.
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Perversion is a value judgement that changes with the individual. You need to be specific what you consider perversions if you want a serous discussion.

Gays are not asking people to condone or accept anything, only that they be treated the same under the law.

Political correctness as you are using it is just a way of whining about what others are doing. it has exactly jack **** to do with the topic.
 
Empirica said:
And this is your idea of knowing how to debate?
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When you make claims here, people will ask you to back them up. If you fail to do so, your argument has failed. The onus is on you.

Between rebuttals such as yours and critisizing spelling for lack of argument, I'm more than a little dissapointed in the debating skills of the local competition!
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You have yet to actually debate any one here. You make wild statements, then get insulting or whiny when people do not treat your stupid pronouncements as if they where the word of god. If you want to actually debate, you could start by explaining what you mean by perversion and how exactly gays are destroying the world.
 
Redress said:
... and how exactly gays are destroying the world.
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They undermined the morality of a generation that was party to genocidal acts, racial interment, and fighting the germans (that last part is just to differentiate them from the germans).
 
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Tucker Case said:
They undermined the morality of a generation that was party to genocidal acts, racial interment, and fighting the germans (that last part is just to differentiate them from the germans).
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Funny, I know a pretty large number of gays, they mostly are very moral people, don't do genocide, don't much care about race, and until this year couldn't serve openly in the military to fight any one. You are giving the poor girl bad infoz Tucker.
 
Redress said:
Funny, I know a pretty large number of gays, they mostly are very moral people, don't do genocide, don't much care about race, and until this year couldn't serve openly in the military to fight any one.
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Exactly! That's how they are undermining the morality of that generation. Because those moral blokes of that generation did "do" genocide and they did care a lot about race (so much that they actually created internment camps and had race based laws about segregation).

Those pesky gays and their not doing those things. It's immoral I tells ya!
 
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Guys - I appreciate the help, encouragement and support but you're making it easier for Empirica to avoid having a serious discussion and having her misguided views challenged.
 
Empirica said:
And this is your idea of knowing how to debate?


Between rebuttals such as yours and criticizing spelling for lack of argument, I'm more than a little disappointed in the debating skills of the local competition!
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FYI, I fixed your spelling of criticizing and disappointed (yay for MS word).

Here's what I understand as the proper progression of a debate…more or less, anyways:
Say the debate is over some random topic, and the debaters are Person A and Person B.

First, Person A makes claims A1, A2, A3, and A4, which they back up by presenting sources for facts Fa1, Fa2, and Fa3, but neglect to present a source-supported fact Fa4 to back claim A4.

Person B challenges claim A4, demanding proof. He/she may also challenge any or all of the other claims, demanding further proof or (often) attacking the source presented as invalid for one or more reasons. To be taken seriously, they must present facts to back up their challenge, for example if they challenge claim A1 and A3, they need to present sources that contain facts which counter the facts presented in Fa1 and Fa3. We’ll call these challenges C1 and C3, and the supporting source-facts Fc1 and Fc3.
Person A must now either admit defeat on claims A1, A3, and A4, or counter-challenge and present more sources containing facts (in the case of claims A1 and A3) to bolster their argument, and a fact-providing source Fa4 to support their earlier claim A4.

…………..

This is getting far more complex than I had intended, but perhaps you get the idea.

This, of course, rarely is how a “debate” actually progresses…

More often, it degrades into a back and forth slapfest over whose sources/facts are the most valid/unbiased/factual, and the main debate progresses not at all.

That is mostly the case when Person A and Person B have a position that they prefer, and are unwilling to change no matter the evidence.

But as I like to think. “there are no absolutes except this statement”.

For all I know, thousands of years of history are wrong, homosexuality is the correct path, and humans were never meant to reproduce.

Damn my perverted straightness.

We are all immoral perverts, what with our penchant for continuing the human race.




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And stuff.
 
Redress said:
Perversion is a value judgement that changes with the individual. You need to be specific what you consider perversions if you want a serous discussion.
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Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally considered repulsive and immoral sex acts to normal people of a civilized society, regardless of religion.

I'm sure there are others but those are the first that come to mind off the top of my head__You ask for it so there you are__Let the rant begin.

Gays are not asking people to condone or accept anything, only that they be treated the same under the law.
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A moral society would never allow perversion to be legitimized by law but judging by the course western civilization has recently taken, Im sure you will get your wish.

Political correctness as you are using it is just a way of whining about what others are doing. it has exactly jack **** to do with the topic.
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Once again, most people honestly don't care what you do as long as you don't expect them to accept and condone your lifestyle by allowing it to corrupt and cheapin the sacred institution of marriage, which is foremost in the development of happy healthy well balanced children.
 
Empirica said:
Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally considered repulsive and immoral sex acts to normal people of a civilized society, regardless of religion.
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Of course, as you always do, you'll be offering some data to support yet another contention of yours? Oh wait...


Empirica said:
Once again, most people honestly don't care what you do as long as you don't expect them to accept and condone your lifestyle by allowing it to corrupt and cheapin the sacred institution of marriage, which is foremost in the development of happy healthy well balanced children.
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Hilarious. No doubt the 50% divorce rate is directly related to gay people having sex. Sacred my yass.

Do you have any idea how insane what you're saying sounds?
 
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