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Empirica said:
Like most liberals, you understand very little of what you read__I stated that change began in the mid 60s, not that it occurred "in one short decade".
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Nonsense.

(think of all the time that could be saved if so much repetition wasn't neccessary to explain the simplist of things to "you people")
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Think of all the time you would save yourself if you didn't apply such historically constricted views to subject matter you have zero control over. Maybe you should take a class on basic human history? You'd realize that moral decay has been in the works far longer than a few meager decades.

I suppose the point of your hiroshima nuke video was to stress the immorality of war, which I believe most sane people of average intelligence are already very aware of.
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See why I suggested you'd take a class in basic history? You'd realize it was a simple example of how that "change" you piped about didn't 'begin' in the 60s or anywhere near close by.

A true libertarian believes war is only justified in cases of self defense, for which hiroshima was a classic case, while communist, socialist and marxist believe immorality is a justified tactic for promoting their murderous oppressive ideology.
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Hatuey doesn't really care about what you believe because you're clearly ignorant of basic human history.
 
Empirica said:
Like most liberals, you understand very little of what you read__
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Really? Funny, I read your comments that you were smarter and better educated than Barrack Obama. I am pretty confident I understood exactly what you meant. And yet you still have yet to enlighten all of us as to how that is?
 
Hatuey said:
Nonsense.

Think of all the time you would save yourself if you didn't apply such historically constricted views to subject matter you have zero control over. Maybe you should take a class on basic human history? You'd realize that moral decay has been in the works far longer than a few meager decades.

See why I suggested you'd take a class in basic history? You'd realize it was a simple example of how that "change" you piped about didn't 'begin' in the 60s or anywhere near close by.

Hatuey doesn't really care about what you believe because you're clearly ignorant of basic human history.
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I have been exposed to the same educators who manipulated and enfluenced your realities.

The difference being, I didn't blindly accept their agenda driven interpretations of historical facts.

Top Cat said:
Really? Funny, I read your comments that you were smarter and better educated than Barrack Obama. I am pretty confident I understood exactly what you meant. And yet you still have yet to enlighten all of us as to how that is?
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I have a very simple question TC?__No more word games???

If I provide my complete academic history and records, to what of obama's would you compare it to determine if my claim is in fact true?
 
Empirica said:
I have been exposed to the same educators who manipulated and enfluenced your realities.

The difference being, I didn't blindly accept their agenda driven interpretations of historical facts.
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Seems to me that you just went with your OWN agenda driven interpretation of historical facts. Interpretation is always relative. Yours is no better than anyone else's.

I have a very simple question TC?__No more word games???

If I provide my complete academic history and records, to what of obama's would you compare it to determine if my claim is in fact true?
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If you two want to do this in private, it is none of my business. But doing so, publicly, is against the rules. Do not do this.
 
Redress said:
You might want to re-examine what you think he was doing with the video. Then you might want to say "oops, sorry". On the other hand, you unintentionally gave me a good laugh this morning.
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I'm unmoved by anything you have to say Redress.
 
Empirica said:
I have been exposed to the same educators who manipulated and enfluenced your realities.
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My work involves me being creative and I've been doing that since I was able to pick up a pencil and draw. Everything else I've learned from reading books, hundreds of documentaries and hearing people speak. So no, we most certainly have not been exposed to the same educators. My education is not methodical so it is well aware of its limitations. Is yours?

The difference being, I didn't blindly accept their agenda driven interpretations of historical facts.
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No, you just made up your own to suit a false reality where moral decay begins at whatever haphazard point you want it to. I showed you a simple example of an event before the 60s where morality was completely forgotten and hundreds of thousands were killed for the proverbial "better good". That is just one morality-lacking example among countless others that predate the 1960s. If you'd like others well, there is the Holocaust, the Turkish massacre of Armenians, the German destruction of the Herreros, the US civil war, etc etc. Those are examples where millions died, were raped, tortured and yet the people who carried those acts, by your account, would have been far more moralistic then those post-1960. So what is it? Will you continue to play this ridiculous little game where you try and pinpoint where the moral decay of our species began? Or do I have to keep destroying your weak arguments with facts?
 
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Empirica said:
I have been exposed to the same educators who manipulated and enfluenced your realities.
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I'm loving the misspelled word in your sentence about how much better educated you are.
 
If you'd like others well, there is the Holocaust, the Turkish massacre of Armenians, the German destruction of the Herreros, the US civil war, etc etc. Those are examples where millions died, were raped, tortured and yet the people who carried those acts, by your account, would have been far more moralistic then those post-1960. So what is it? Will you continue to play this ridiculous little game where you try and pinpoint where the moral decay of our species began? Or do I have to keep destroying your weak arguments with facts?
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I think you missed the memo. Morality is only people having sex when you think they shouldn't not the whole scale massacre of people.
 
Empirica said:
I have a very simple question TC?__No more word games???

If I provide my complete academic history and records, to what of obama's would you compare it to determine if my claim is in fact true?
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Boy did you get bailed out.
 
misterman said:
I'm loving the misspelled word in your sentence about how much better educated you are.
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I saw that, too, but figured I had pointed out the irony in her posting once already in this thread, so I'd let someone else do it.
 
Hatuey said:
My work involves me being creative and I've been doing that since I was able to pick up a pencil and draw. Everything else I've learned from reading books, hundreds of documentaries and hearing people speak. So no, we most certainly have not been exposed to the same educators. My education is not methodical so it is well aware of its limitations. Is yours?

No, you just made up your own to suit a false reality where moral decay begins at whatever haphazard point you want it to. I showed you a simple example of an event before the 60s where morality was completely forgotten and hundreds of thousands were killed for the proverbial "better good". That is just one morality-lacking example among countless others that predate the 1960s. If you'd like others well, there is the Holocaust, the Turkish massacre of Armenians, the German destruction of the Herreros, the US civil war, etc etc. Those are examples where millions died, were raped, tortured and yet the people who carried those acts, by your account, would have been far more moralistic then those post-1960. So what is it? Will you continue to play this ridiculous little game where you try and pinpoint where the moral decay of our species began? Or do I have to keep destroying your weak arguments with facts?
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You definitely think like a liberal__You view life with an emotional knee-jerk reaction to every event without consideration of the history that preceded it or the future consequencies of it's intent.

Brutality, savagery, death and destruction are indeed immoral acts, which is the intent of war to force an enemy into submission, deter future aggression and hopefully someday eliminate war altogether.

Immorality for the sake of immorality serves no purpose except for the slow malignant destruction of civilization which has been the stuggle between good vs evil since humanity became self-aware.


If I provide my complete academic history and records, to what of obama's would you compare it to determine if my claim is in fact true?
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Apparently the rules of DP restrict certain personal info but they do not restrict you from answering the question?

Everyone on both sides of this issue are very aware why the true believers avoid this__The info is sealed per/obama.

How pathetic__Defending the indefensible on blind faith alone must be quite frustrating, not to mention embarrassing.
 
If nobody has figured it out yet, Empirica is not a person that makes actual arguments. Instead, she will just repeat over and over that your opinion is wrong because you've been brainwashed or whatever, and that she's right because she just knows better.

It's hard to even tell what her argument is, because she rarely even makes one.
 
:prof Richard Petty Driving School is not an accredited university.
 
Top Cat said:
Boy did you get bailed out.
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Apparently Hatuey viewed it as a "bail out" for his benefit.

I'm waiting for a reply from him that just might varify this.

(isnt this exciting_I love suspense)
 
Empirica said:
Apparently Hatuey viewed it as a "bail out" for his benefit.

I'm waiting for a reply from him that just might varify this.

(isnt this exciting_I love suspense)
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I haven't read the whole thread: Could you briefly summarize what you're even arguing about?
 
Empirica said:
You definitely think like a liberal__You view life with an emotional knee-jerk reaction to every event without consideration of the history that preceded it or the future consequencies of it's intent.
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This coming from the person who thinks morality took a downward spiral in the 1960s is quite rich. However, you still, in your supreme might an intellect, fail to understand the basic point of showing you examples of decayed morality that predate the 1960s. It's not to show you that these events themselves are indicative of moral decay, but that they're part of a much larger pattern that spans back before history began to be written.

Brutality, savagery, death and destruction are indeed immoral acts, which is the intent of war to force an enemy into submission, deter future aggression and hopefully someday eliminate war altogether.

Immorality for the sake of immorality serves no purpose except for the slow malignant destruction of civilization which has been the stuggle between good vs evil since humanity became self-aware.
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More nonsense and selective reading of my post. You're developing a pretty predictable pattern. "War" doesn't include rape, torture etc. These are opportunistic acts meant to degrade a human being on a personal level. They don't serve a greater good or help do anything but demoralize the person who is being assaulted. The fact that you can't explain their existence, and by extension, the same symptoms of moral decay you attribute to the 60s, shows the entire forum that you can't possibly be correct in deciding that their genesis took place in the 60s.
 
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Empirica said:
Apparently Hatuey viewed it as a "bail out" for his benefit.

I'm waiting for a reply from him that just might varify this.

(isnt this exciting_I love suspense)
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Varify? Really? The hits just keep coming.
 
Hatuey said:
This coming from the person who thinks morality took a downward spiral in the 1960s is quite rich. However, you still, in your supreme might an intellect, fail to understand the basic point of showing you examples of decayed morality that predate the 1960s. It's not to show you that these events themselves are indicative of moral decay, but that they're part of a much larger pattern that spans back before history began to be written.



More nonsense and selective reading of my post. You're developing a pretty predictable pattern. "War" doesn't include rape, torture etc. These are opportunistic acts meant to degrade a human being on a personal level. They don't serve a greater good or help do anything but demoralize the person who is being assaulted. The fact that you can't explain their existence, and by extension, the same symptoms of moral decay you attribute to the 60s, shows the entire forum that you can't possibly be correct in deciding that their genesis took place in the 60s.
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And once again you edit out the bottom of my post in a desperate attempt to avoid dealing with the issue of obama's sealed records.

I'll let it slide Hatuey__Reality is often unkind and it's quite obvious this is a disturbing and embarrassing issue for you true believers.
 
Deuce said:
I haven't read the whole thread: Could you briefly summarize what you're even arguing about?
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Empirica made a claim that she is smarter and better educated than Barrack Obama.
 
Empirica said:
I most certainly am__The libertarian philosophy clearly states that society has no right to retrict the actions of the individual providing those actions neither harm nor adversely affect others.

I believe that it is all to obvious that western civilization has been on the decline since the onslaught of the sexual revolution.__Even though I wasn't born yet, the evidence of then and now is overwhelming.

Since the mid 60s the divorce rate, STDs, abortion and unwed pregnacies has skyrocketed, 10 year old girls dress like prostitutes and perform vulger dance moves to music lyrics that promote murdering cops, drug use, and sex.

These children text their sexual encounters and nude photos all over their schools and the internet which will no doubt follow them for the rest of their lives which probably explains the increased teenage suicide rate.

Young boys use to sneak around to do their "dirty talk" but now they do it loudly and publicly and the young girls proudly join in with them with vulgarities that many adults wouldnt even dare to repeat.

Children disrespect their parents and teachers, curse like sailors and are having homo/hetero/bi-sexual encounters at ever increasingly younger ages with multiple partners and brag about how many hooked ups they have had.

Swim wear looks like dental floss and being rude and offensive is now the norm and television, movies and video games push the envelope ever further with vulgarity, nudity, sex, drug use, violence and gore.

Mothers and fathers get high with their children and have sex with their friends and defend their bad behavior and blame society and guns when they walk into a school and murder their fellow students in cold blood.

I could go on all day but if you haven't gotten the massege by now, you never will___The problem isn't racism or sexism or fascism or homophobes or xenophobes or guns or religion or intolerance___It's immorality.
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i fail to see how gay marriage adversely affects anyone.
 
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