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Community Builds A Store and Keeps Walmarts Out

Harry Guerrilla said:
I guess the historical record is "because I said so."
You can't debate someone so willfully ignorant of the history of world development.
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Because ..........you say so.
 
This encroaching utopionism must be stopped! If capitalism can not buy a town we are all doomed!

/sarcasm
 
winston53660 said:
This encroaching utopionism must be stopped! If capitalism can not buy a town we are all doomed!

/sarcasm
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Who said they werent capitalists? They sell stock in their co-op. They have private owned businesses. How is that not capitalism?
 
VanceMack said:
Who said they werent capitalists? They sell stock in their co-op. They have private owned businesses. How is that not capitalism?
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Corporations are not a privately owned businesses.
 
haymarket said:
I reread your posts and they fail to rise to even that lowly standard. If you do not have comtempt for small town America perhaps you should refrain from vitriolic outbursts such as



Do not despair as you are not alone. Sam Walton professed to love small town America then participated in much of its destruction by wiping out Main Street small businesses. So your contempt of what you falsely profess to appreciate is not something only you are guilty of.
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Not creating jobs doesn't do anything to help small town America, believe it, or not.
 
winston53660 said:
Uhmm my comment was sarcasm to begin with.
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So...the usual stuff then...you dont really have **** to add to a conversation...you pop in to make a snarky comment...and this time like so many others, not only was it NOT funny OR relevant but it didnt even make sense and your follow on comment wasnt related. I gotcha...
 
apdst said:
Not creating jobs doesn't do anything to help small town America, believe it, or not.
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Generally speaking, jobs are good -- good for the people who fill them, good for the businesses where the money gets spent, good for the tax bases they join, and so on.

Specifically speaking, the real issue isn't job creation -- it's how the jobs are created.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Generally speaking, jobs are good -- good for the people who fill them, good for the businesses where the money gets spent, good for the tax bases they join, and so on.

Specifically speaking, the real issue isn't job creation -- it's how the jobs are created.
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The, "how", is irrelevant, if no jobs are created.

One thing is for sure, to create more jobs, a community has to bring in a company that will create those jobs.

Let me fall back on my own personal experience, again:

A tire company wanted to build a plant in my hometown; "ohhhh, no, no, no, that'll be bad. We don't want that".

A recycling company want to build a facility; "ohhhh, no, no, no, that'll be bad. We don't want that".

A fertilizer company wanted to build a plant to produce amonia; "ohhhh, no, no, no, that'll be bad. We don't want that".

Finally, in the late 90's, after the old fart, small town nay-sayers died off, or were too old to raise sand, a federal prison was built there.

Good! Right? Nice, cushy gubmint jobs. Wanna hear the punchline? Most of the people in that area can't even qualify for a job as a janitor, much less anything else.

Now, the land that all those other companies wanted to build their facilities on, has a federal prison sitting on it and it ain't goin' no where.
 
VanceMack said:
So...the usual stuff then...you dont really have **** to add to a conversation...you pop in to make a snarky comment...and this time like so many others, not only was it NOT funny OR relevant but it didnt even make sense and your follow on comment wasnt related. I gotcha...
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I guess my "snarky" comment went over your head.
 
Hmm openers :
What supply chain is the store using? American made? Chinese?
How is the profit distributed? --wage ranges, dividends, etc
Was Wal-Mart kept out with simple zoning, street, and infrastructure cost restrictions? If so, legal. They want to go there, the town can decide what costs to alleviate and which ones not to.
If the store is well run it will be a net asset to the town in terms of product, profit, tax and wages. If not...it wont.

As usual, the report tells about 1/3 of the real story. Lots we do not know.

All said, I wish em luck.
 
apdst said:
The, "how", is irrelevant, if no jobs are created.
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Well, since I was talking about the how, it's reasonable to suppose I was assuming the creation of jobs and focusing on how they were created. If no jobs are created, the entire question becomes moot.

Just like your post.

At any rate, the best kind of private-sector job creation involves a local business which buys locally. The worst kind of private-sector job creation involves an international business which buys overseas. WalMart is somewhere in between, leaning towards the crappy side -- the company is domestic but the bulk of the profits leave the community, and a good chunk of the product comes from overseas.
 
apdst said:
Not creating jobs doesn't do anything to help small town America, believe it, or not.
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What makes you think that all those small businesses - bakeries, restaurants, shoe stores, apparel stores, grocery stores, gas & service stations, cleaners, hardware stores, video stores, pizza parlors, toy stores, were not providing valuable jobs in that community? And then we have a whole second layer of business people who service those businesses - plumbers, electricians, handymen, heating and cooling folks, tax accountants and bookkeepers, and others who provide specialized services to the businesses of the community. These are merchants who were local people with local ties and local loyalties who knew and loved their community and wanted to see it be successful only to have some international conglomerate invade, wipe them out and install corporate sycophants loyal only to the corporate profit demands of someone hundreds or thousands of miles away with no loyalty at all to that community or its people.
 
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apdst said:
Not creating jobs doesn't do anything to help small town America, believe it, or not.
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I have no problem with a big box such as Wal Mart coming in and providing jobs. My problem is with Wal Marts policies of demanding what they will pay for a product to sell in their stores which force companies to cut and then export jobs or go out of business.
 
If it makes the town people happy, and thrives, more power to them. If it fails, they learn a valuable lesson. Personally, I don't get the hate for lost cost, easy access to goods and services that Wally-World provides. I shop there... once every 6 weeks or so. Most of the time I shop elsewheres.
 
MrVicchio said:
If it makes the town people happy, and thrives, more power to them. If it fails, they learn a valuable lesson. Personally, I don't get the hate for lost cost, easy access to goods and services that Wally-World provides. I shop there... once every 6 weeks or so. Most of the time I shop elsewheres.
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It's a combination of:
  • The perception of employer-employee relations that objectors have
  • The perception of WalMart-vendor relations that objectors have
  • The fact that any big-box store is going to dramatically change the economic landscape of any small town
For the most part, small-town objectors either like things the way they are, or even if they know a change is needed they don't like the kind of change a big-box store entails.
 
1Perry said:
I have no problem with a big box such as Wal Mart coming in and providing jobs. My problem is with Wal Marts policies of demanding what they will pay for a product to sell in their stores which force companies to cut and then export jobs or go out of business.
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Over Thanksgiving I heard a story about this guy who started a company selling jalapeno poppers to bars, local stores and what not. Wal Mart got wind of the product and over a few years convinced the guy to ramp up production to supply this product to their stores. This meant a significant capital investment for this guy. At first things were grand and a decent wholesale price was agreed upon. Well Wall Mart comes back year after year and says "we can't pay as much this year." To the point where the guy was losing money. The guys company finally went bankrupt in the end.
 
winston53660 said:
Over Thanksgiving I heard a story about this guy who started a company selling jalapeno poppers to bars, local stores and what not. Wal Mart got wind of the product and over a few years convinced the guy to ramp up production to supply this product to their stores. This meant a significant capital investment for this guy. At first things were grand and a decent wholesale price was agreed upon. Well Wall Mart comes back year after year and says "we can't pay as much this year." To the point where the guy was losing money. The guys company finally went bankrupt in the end.
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This is why it's good to have a number of smaller customers rather than one big one.
 
winston53660 said:
Over Thanksgiving I heard a story about this guy who started a company selling jalapeno poppers to bars, local stores and what not. Wal Mart got wind of the product and over a few years convinced the guy to ramp up production to supply this product to their stores. This meant a significant capital investment for this guy. At first things were grand and a decent wholesale price was agreed upon. Well Wall Mart comes back year after year and says "we can't pay as much this year." To the point where the guy was losing money. The guys company finally went bankrupt in the end.
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One of the cable stations did a multi part series following a couple who were courting WM and every few months kept changing their product to meet the demands of a WM buyer. They too invested a small fortune only to find out in the end that they could not make any money with WM.

I suspect this is a oft told story.
 
winston53660 said:
Over Thanksgiving I heard a story about this guy who started a company selling jalapeno poppers to bars, local stores and what not. Wal Mart got wind of the product and over a few years convinced the guy to ramp up production to supply this product to their stores. This meant a significant capital investment for this guy. At first things were grand and a decent wholesale price was agreed upon. Well Wall Mart comes back year after year and says "we can't pay as much this year." To the point where the guy was losing money. The guys company finally went bankrupt in the end.
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DAMN EVIL WAL MART! The guy took a risk, and it failed, those damn dirty wal-mart folks.
 
haymarket said:
One of the cable stations did a multi part series following a couple who were courting WM and every few months kept changing their product to meet the demands of a WM buyer. They too invested a small fortune only to find out in the end that they could not make any money with WM.

I suspect this is a oft told story.
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Walmart needs to stop trying to sell products at the lowest price possible. They do nothing but market to poor people who can't afford to shop any where else, and like I said, this means I have to see and interact with these low class bottomfeeders.

Maybe we can put all of the poor people in a city, call it Walmartville, and that way we won't have to look at them, and Walmart won't "interfere with the scenery" in our nice town.

I mean good grief, Walmart runs a massive 3.77% profit margin, who the hell do they think they are, the Rockefellers??!!!!
 
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